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Please ATS STOP this nonsense, This kinda crap makes me sick and is so offensive having lost loved ones in the 9/11 incident. It reminds me now of that religious group that petitions at dead soldiers graves and rants "JESUS HATES SOLDIERS THAT DIE IN IRAQ" I cant even begin to tell you how many times I have logged on here and seen this # plastered all over the place. If people are going to believe this then they already do if they dont by now then there NOT going to believe it. ATS give these people there own page so they can play there all day or you *SNIP* need to start your own forums or website where you can *SNIP* all day long and live in a fantasy land. BTW Hugo Chavez called, he would like you to come live down there in a mansion on a hill, he wants to be best friends with you. If I sound upset its because I am, You guys never stop to think what your actions or words may be doing to people that love their country that were directly affected by 9/11.

Once again this youtube crap is dredged up as proof. Can you guys not understand when you take a cheap camera and or a camera triggered by motion and post them on tv at a framerate of 29 fps that its going to be choppy and have pictures overlayed. Survielance cameras shoot at less fps than what is aired on tv.

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OK folks, now I can give you 100% PROOF that the alleged "pentagon attack filmed from aerial helicopter" video is 100% FAKE.

Here is the footage BEFORE the plane and explosion were edited into it. I literally googled "stock pentagon footage" to find this:

video.google.com...

Google Video Link

and here it is with a HORRIBLE CGI plane and explosion edited into it:

www.youtube.com...



Can we end this stupid thread now?

LOL, youve been pwned by teh dispatcherator.

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I feel a lot like alienj does right now but for a much different reason.

People PLEASE stop focusing on this nonsense.

This is not going to get us anywhere and it's 100% clear this is disinformation.

A hoax.

Yes the security video has been altered but this "analysis" is a hoax within a hoax. That's how disinfo works.

How can you possibly trust this obviously fake nonsense for one second?

The entire purpose of the DoD leaking the security video to begin with is to get everyone focusing on missiles or SOMETHING that supposedly hit the building when in reality NOTHING hit the building. They wanted to redirect your attention from the real smoking gun which was the true FLIGHT PATH.

It was all pre-planted explosives and the plane flew over. We KNOW that now. The hard independent evidence proves it.

Never forget the smoking gun is in the flight path and that is exactly what they tried to distract you from with this clearly altered government provided security video.

So the more you focus on the video for ANY reason the LESS you are paying attention to the witnesses who really saw what happened and PROVE a deception.

That's what this horrible youtube piece and all disinfo is about. Distracting you from the legitimate evidence.

There was a plane. Dozens of people saw it.

It did not hit the building.

The independent witnesses prove it.

We must NOT focus on fraudulent government data. That is not a valid means to find the truth.

Please take the time to thoroughly go over all the independent witness data available in this thread.







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If you lost a loved one you would not even be on here. You know this topic is discussed on a regular basis and that you would be exposed to it.

If it was so painful you would not even come on ATS. In fact 80% of the victim families want the same questions answered that we here on ATS keep bringing up.

So with all that in mind, it sounds like you are just another operative trying to shut things down and shut people up who want the truth.

These people who lie about 9/11 and cover stuff up - I remember someone saying "We will never forget" but with all the lies and cover ups - it looks like forgot on 9/12/01

And we are working for real and honest answers - so in reality no one is working harder for the victim families than we "TRUTHERS"

hmmm well its hardly conclusive proof. if the camera uses time lapse that would explain a lot of what the guy is trying to debunk. look either way the point is not if the video was faked or what hit the pentagon the real issue is that it was an inside job there is no denying this obvious fact. so before we get caught up on the minute details of what hit what. lets first get the sheep to realize their government did this and not some cave dwelling extremists.

Originally posted by interested-one And as a note this video doesn't prove a damn thing,

You're exactly right,,, it doesn't prove a damn thing it was intended to prove now does it?

and thats whats far more important imo aside from the IRREFUTABLE FACT that the feds confiscated all the footage in the area that WOULD HAVE CLEARED UP what really hit the pent. You don't find that in of itself SUSPISCIOUS? To me, its that type of behaviour, tampering, stone-walling etc which occurs over and over which should be part of the smoking gun evidence since it illustrates the lengths the perps went through to HIDE and cover evidence up which paved the way for stupid debates like this to occur and for people *SNIP* to proclaim there's no proof.

So let me tell you what the video footage and lack of, does prove...

it proves that the OCT which utilized those pentcams as PROOF a boeing hit the pentagon, is total and utter *SNIP*.

anyone who believes that lie and also uses those cam vid's as proof is either a fool or part of the cover-up.

So you claim the video doesn't prove a thing.

With all due respect, I've just proven otherwise.

Oh, and please note I've already pointed out that ONE video ALONE wasn't proof. There's 3 others not to mention mountains of other evidence which should be factored in and taken in full context i submit contributes to the type of proof beyond a doubt. That would include evidence such as whats been PROVEN about the NOC, FDR contradictions, witness testimony etc.

Originally posted by interested-one
and yes the Pentagon probably does have a crappy video surveillance system OR DID, I can tell you from first hand experience this quality of video is the norm.
It's very possible that some dumb# set the framerates down on these particular cameras to save hard disk space.

and its very possible they didn't and/or tampered with it.


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which is something I POINTED out and agree with.

Originally posted by middleclasssoldier
i watched the first video posted and i thought it was good until the video from the helicopter was shown. idk that video from the helicopter doesnt look real. ive never seen that video either(not to say that it doesnt make it real) but the explosion it self looks like crappy cgi to me. other than that it was a good vid.

TOTALLY AGREE.


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So you claim the video doesn't prove a thing.

With all due respect, I've just proven otherwise.

Oh, and please note I've already pointed out that ONE video ALONE wasn't proof. There's 3 others not to mentionown on these particular cameras to save hard disk space.

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and its very possible they didn't and/or tampered with it.

WTF are you talkin about?!?! The 2 security cams arent worth a damn because theyre low-res, pixelated, triple-re-encoded, then youtube encoded video of a source which is a 1-second time-lapse web cam! And the aerial shot you posted as PROOF (and the douchebag in the youtube vid touts as "the missing 4 seconds") is a pathetic fake. Seems to me your craziness has run its course here.


real source of OP's fake video:
video.google.com...



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'hoax' within a 'hoax'.....wow!!

Why, oh why do only a few hundred (perhaps a few thousand) out of billions of people continue to buy into this?

As 'alienj' said, it is painful.

Threads that are in the 9/11 forum are, to me, not much different than threads that try to deny the Apollo Moon landings.

I hope I don't break any rules, no offense to the OP and the posters who 'believe'...you certainly may 'believe'....people have every right to believe whatever they wish.

But, if ANY one of the loved ones of the people who died on that day happen across this site, imagine how they'd be hurt, to pull up the pain, again and again and again.

Just to focus on that painful day, and ONLY at the Pentagon....with ALL of the First Responders, and ALL of their eyes on the scene....to imagine that it could have been somehow 'staged' beggars belief.

EVERY person there would have had to been 'de-briefed' and threatened, under penalty of death, or of their families' deaths, not to disclose what they had 'seen' if it had been different than an actual airplane impact.

The implications of such a massive 'cover-up' are enormous....and simply, it would seem, not viable.

Disparate things....CRanke likes to put in, but then there is always a rational explanation to refute....it is tiresome.

AAL 77 had an entire class of schoolchildren onboard, excited to be out of the inner-city on their way to Los Angeles....THAT is the tragedy!!! NOT some made-up micro-management baloney that doesn't take the lives of the dead into account!!!!!

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posts like this one are highly detrimental to any type of scientific discussion or debate. *SNIP* This thread is supposed to be about video of evidence that the OP ridiculously claims proves something.


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AGREED CRAIG...

I suppose part of the reason for posting the vids was primarily to show NO PLANE hit... thats the whole point and what the vids are actually showing between the lines which i know you're aware of.


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Sorry, Dispatch....thought we were on the same page here.

I stand by my post....this sort of debate is rude and disrespectiful to the dead.

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nice find
its pretty obvious that the 757 did NOT hit the pentagon

So, YouTube is now the end-all and be-all, the ultimate "proof"

Some people keep slapping themselves on the back so hard, surprised they haven't broken their arms.

9/11 is a volatile subject....and the Pentagon deaths should be treated with respect, not contempt.

I'll try this tactic: ARE any of you who post, and purport to know EXACTLY what happened that morning, based on flimsy contradictory evidence...ARE any of you residents in the immediate area of the Pentagon??? Have you ever been here?? Because I have.

Second part of my tactic: How many of you have thousands of hours flying a Boeing 757? Because, I have.

Setting aside, for the moment, any emotion....IF the Gov't (and I have no love, nor affiliation with the Bushes) wanted to do this, they would have done a damn finer job of it, 'squeaky clean', so to speak....

AND, by now....someone would have talked, because too many civilians were involved.

Originally posted by matrixNIN11

Originally posted by pteridine
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Did you ever stop to think.....that the frame rate of the camera just might have something to do with this supposed anomaly?

The little weenie in the video thinks he sleuthed this out on his own. He believes that the people that supposedly were responsible for the most comprehensive plot and cover-up in history forgot to fix their own video and allowed him to find it.
What a genius.

did you ever stop to think that it didn't mr genius?

and you refuse to acknowlegdge THE PERPS might not have been able to FIX EVERYTHING, or that they were much more INCOMPETENT than you're giving them credit for. Perhaps again the PERPS/govt/media didn't think what they were releasing could be scrutinized or analyzed to the level, extent or caliber it has.

Afterall, If they were so competent and meticulous, there would never be as many ANOMALIES, CONTRADICTIONS or UNANSWERED QUESTIONS that there are that SLIPPED THROUGH! DUH...

so why do you think so many are beginning to awaken and agree 911 was an inside job? I don't think I know of a consipiracy theory that has THIS MUCH evidence, science, and facts or even basic common sense to SEE it, than this one.

>> Look. There were very competent PARTS of the 9/11 Inside Job. The people put in charge of rigging the WTC were very competent.

At the Pentagon -- not everyone is IN ON IT. So, Rumsfeld is probably running interference with a small cadre of loyal supporters, surrounded by an army of idiots. The trick is to compartmentalize and put fear into the hearts of everyone else.

I could imagine, that ALL the video was put under lock and key by Rumsfeld or someone else in BushCo. Who's to challenge that?

After years of complaints, we get a crappy video. Probably put out by someone from Rumsfeld's special projects group. I mean, you can't go shopping around for great special effects artists.

>> I can't see the YouTube video right now -- but it is that original Pentagon video I saw -- someone definitely got the dimensions wrong on something about the size of a 707. It looks about the size of a lear jet. When I get home, I'll have to see if they do a good job debunking it.

Originally posted by The Dispatcherator

So you claim the video doesn't prove a thing.
With all due respect, I've just proven otherwise.
Oh, and please note I've already pointed out that ONE video ALONE wasn't proof. There's 3 others not to mentionown on these particular cameras to save hard disk space.
and its very possible they didn't and/or tampered with it.

WTF are you talkin about?!?! The 2 security cams arent worth a damn because theyre low-res, pixelated, triple-re-encoded, then youtube encoded video of a source which is a 1-second time-lapse web cam! And the aerial shot you posted as PROOF (and the douchebag in the youtube vid touts as "the missing 4 seconds") is a pathetic fake. Seems to me your craziness has run its course here.

WTF are *U* talking about?????

And whats up with this derogatory holier than thou TONE?

Do you not comprehend what you read and i've clearly explained?

I've already said, pointed out and agreed the helicopter portion is FAKE and should be ignored.

I've already explained that the video does PROVE something... THAT THE OCT's claim about relying off that VIDEO as PROOF AA77 hit the pentagon is total *SNIP* and PROVES no such thing. The Govt and msm claim is the vid shows a boeing 757... So if you want to talk about CRAZINESS, the govt/msm and its OCT is the true INSANITY as are all those who believe it or DEFEND it as you seem to be.



SO WHAT DON'T YOU GET?


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What is truly disrespectful to the dead is the negligence of our own government..

1- keeping photo and video footage of the attacks classified for as yet unknown reasons. If you remember, alot of the footage was confiscated by the FBI (at least what was not publicly released before it could be confiscated). We still don't know what they are keeping secret or why. They aren't about to talk either.

2- The FBI confiscating all the aircraft debris left over after the attacks. There is absolutely no part of any aircraft involved in the 9/11 attacks that has ever been tracked back to the airliner it supposedly originated from. That is because any parts that might be tracked back to any kind of aircraft whatsoever have been confiscated by the FBI and have not been released for as yet unknown reasons. Is there nothing to hide or something to hide? The point is.. that question remains because the unexplained secrecy remains.

3- Why was possible evidence remaining on the Pentagon grounds after the attack immediately covered with dirt? We know that the FBI confiscated all remaining debris that they could. But why did they try to "repair" the pentagon grounds minutes after the attack without properly searching the area for all possible evidence? It doesn't make sense if the FBI really wanted all that debris so badly.

4- Why have the links between the Bush family and the Bin Laden family not been studied in more detail? We know that they had business dealings and we know that each family had contact with one another. But to my knowledge this link has never been properly investigated by anyone.

5- August 6, 2001 President Bush is given his daily security briefing in which he is briefed on a CIA intelligence report entitled "Bin Laden Determined To Strike in US". The report is not given the seriousness it deserves. The bigger question is why? And why did Bush lie later on about supposedly not knowing anything about the Bin Laden threat? If this really was a legitimate terrorist strike carried out by islamic extremists then why were all the flags and warnings ignored?

upload.wikimedia.org...

Later on in that same month, Bush was repeatedly interrupted while on vacation to be briefed face to face on the bin laden threat. Nothing came of that either.. And yet he still lied later on about not knowing anything about this threat.

It is not disrespectful to the dead to want the truth. In fact, they would want it as much as anyone else. The point is that many unanswered questions remain.. We don't know the whole truth yet. We may never know.

-ChriS

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Originally posted by weedwhacker
So, YouTube is now the end-all and be-all, the ultimate "proof"

Some people keep slapping themselves on the back so hard, surprised they haven't broken their arms.

9/11 is a volatile subject....and the Pentagon deaths should be treated with respect, not contempt.

I'll try this tactic: ARE any of you who post, and purport to know EXACTLY what happened that morning, based on flimsy contradictory evidence...ARE any of you residents in the immediate area of the Pentagon??? Have you ever been here?? Because I have.

Second part of my tactic: How many of you have thousands of hours flying a Boeing 757? Because, I have.

Setting aside, for the moment, any emotion....IF the Gov't (and I have no love, nor affiliation with the Bushes) wanted to do this, they would have done a damn finer job of it, 'squeaky clean', so to speak....

AND, by now....someone would have talked, because too many civilians were involved.

Arg, we have arguments that they were too stupid to pull it off -- and now we have an argument that they were TOO good to doctor evidence this poorly.

PEOPLE HAVE TALKED. Take a look at how whistleblowers have been treated in the Bush administration. Read up sometime about Siebel Edmunds who is in fear for her life after blowing the whistle on proliferation of nuclear secrets by the Bush Administration selling them to Pakistan and other countries on our enemies lies.

Different parts of the conspiracy, are going to do very specific tasks. A few smart people, surrounded by a few loyal people. They hire as many willing idiots as they can, and do their work in the midst of confusion. The government is very compartmentalized, and the BEST vantage point for manipulation is by those in oversight positions -- that's where all the crooked Bush appointees were put.

They didn't do too much perfectly. But propaganda in the news, and the way that fear and power seems to perfectly fool ENOUGH of the people that thoughtful people like myself who don't buy the garbage they are selling, are going to be ridiculed.

I got ridiculed and ostracized from lots of people -- including my brother. Over time, my Brother has begun to believe most things I've told him. The election fraud is no longer a conspiracy theory. The torture at Abu Ghraib is no longer a conspiracy theory. The manipulating of intelligence is no longer a conspiracy theory. The only theories left that he doesn't agree with are that the economic disaster was on purpose and that 9/11 was an inside job.

It's only a matter of time.

I've been ridiculed about 90% of the things I've been saying the past 8 years since 9/11 opened my eyes. But now, most of those people are now listening to what I have to say -- especially die hard conservatives who laughed at my "banks will fail" theory.

Originally posted by Andy Ashe 30UK
found a link to a load of wreckage images of the pentagon and subsequent investigation of those images, have a look n see for ya self . If the link does not work then google - www.rense.com...
for even better close up and analysis!! kinda throws back the story that no wreckage was found so who knows what to believe now??????

do a search and some REsearch...

tons of threads, evidence and lack of evidence have proven beyond a doubt that the wreckage issue is dead and its staging should win another academy award as well.