Attention! Are there Meteors Heading this Way Right Now? Pictures/Very Clear

reply to post by AllTiedTogether


Since they appear in only one frame it is readily apparent that they are not physical objects. Comet SOHO-111 appears in successive frames as do all actual objects. The only things that do not appear in successive frames are CCD effects, like your dots.

Originally posted by AllTiedTogether
The nine objects that we see below have yet to be mentioned by anyone and I don't believe they are logged with orbit parameters.

How exactly are you going to confirm that it's a real object or get any orbital data from a single exposure?

They have text files that accompany these pictures and they have only that this is a coronal picture, leading me to conclude that they didn't see this or that they are hoping that others didn't see it.

Again, never considering the chance that you're wrong and that it's just noise, which is why it never showed up before or after. Do you have any idea how fast they'd have to be moving to completely vanish? Do you have any idea how incredibly small they'd be if there were close to the satellite, or how amazingly unlikely it'd be that you'd even happen to capture them in one short exposure taken in 10 minute intervals, assuming they'd even be bright enough to be visible? Or how unlikely they'd appear to be frozen in place if they were that close to the spacecraft? Orbital relative velocities usually run in the tens of kilometers per second. STEREO's Coronagraph cameras operate at about .5-1second exposures; that would mean the object would move about 10 kilometers during the exposure, so if it were close by it would be a streak, at best. If it were farther away it should appear in multiple frames, especially considering that it would have to be a "train" of objects, much longer than the usual small specks of comet.
stereo.nrl.navy.mil...

I have considered that fact that I may be wrong but I also consider the fact that I may be right because you have failed to provide anything that would make a thinking human believe that it's all coincidence... You haven't proven anything yet you say that this should be dropped because you can use a goto telescope and say "Its Venus.. so there".

You see, in a collaborational effort, the people working together are suppose to find ways to show that this is or isn't possible, not just make statements and provide fluff that shows nothing. You are not a very good team player and provide nothing but arguments.

If you look at my previous posts there are other scientists that have proven that Hoagland is correct in his theories and that the probability of things like this happening are astronomical in size. but you don't deal in reality... so that's out of the question.

Thanks.. I won't be responding to you constant derailing and useless banter any longer.

reply to post by Phage


Using your logic then Phage I can assume that no object can be filmed only once. If it is real then it must travel within the cameras field of view for at least, what two passes or three, before it can be classified as a real object. Does NASA and the other agencies that follow this data think that way also? Can you provide a link that show that the followers of the coronal data believe that an object that shows itself within the images must be seen twice at least before being idented as an object.

So, if I have an object that is going relatively slow in Space terms and have it near the camera and it happens to get its picture taken and then ten minutes later is not in the shot, that thing that passed by the camera at the slow speed was not real? That just defies logic in my eyes.

Try taking a picture of someone running by you, have the camera pointed out 90degrees to how they run by you. Take a Snap shot every two or three seconds... don't move the camera and have them run by into and out of the FOV. Now, did you get a picture of them before and after they came into the FOV?

Just like I showed in the diagram below. Objects that are passing by will be seen and will have a picture taken when they are in the camera's FOV.

If they are not in the camera's FOV it can't take a picture.

So, using this logic, the nine objects could have been out of the FOV in the previous picture and the one following it. They could also have been extremely close to the camera, it could also have been traveling FROM the sun. I don't know and that's why I'm asking the questions.

To say NON objects because they don't show up again is ludicrous. Check throughout the pictures and you will notice thousands of DOTS that appear only briefly through pictures. Using this thinking all of them are NON objects and are noise/artifacts of the picture taking. This would defy the odds again... And as I showed in my previous post, Mary Anne Weaver provided some great statistical thinking about how much of a coincidence this really is, and she showed that the timing is again coincidental, but she is mistaken too and really doesn't know how things really work like your crew does.

Rgds

heres proof that this is a physical object.

I have increased DPI to 300 and overlayed the stereo image onto the soho image. it appears the stereo image has been "filtered" post release as there are obvious edit artifcacts clearly visible. Aslo note the times on both slides. no other edits or manipulations have been done.



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[edit on 19-2-2009 by guessing]

Is it not possible that all you are seeing are the tail ends of solar flares and whatnot like the other shadow like or bright parts of the photo? Im no expert but I see that sort of thing in a lot of the SOHO images all the time.

Notice in the example here that sometimes solar activity (lighter areas) send plumes of hot gas or flares outward creating the effect of solid objects. Just set the dates for the frames wanted and it plays nicely.

SOHO Movie theater

I hope this is a good enough example. I'll try and find better ones too. I set it for the same date as your clip but I didn't see anything out of the ordinary other than normal solar activity.

heres proof that this is a physical object.

I have increased DPI to 300 and overlayed the stereo image onto the soho image. it appears the stereo image has been "filtered" post release as there are obvious edit artifcacts clearly visible. Aslo note the times on both slides. no other edits or manipulations have been done.

I hope there are.

Humans have outlived there usefulness.

hers another example of an unusual anomoly

Originally posted by guessing
it appears the stereo image has been "filtered" post release as there are obvious edit artifcacts clearly visible.

To me it appears you don't know how to distinguish cosmic ray hits from actual objects. I see at least a dozen other hits you could have just as easily circled and claimed to be part of some conspiracy. Again, these "objects" do not repeat in consecutive SOHO images do they? You're just repeating your mistake on a new image. By the way, when I look up with my telescope and find venus to be in the right place, it's not a conspiracy to say it's in the right place. I can't believe you're still trying to argue that one with me.

[edit on 20-2-2009 by ngchunter]

Originally posted by ngchunter

Originally posted by guessing
it appears the stereo image has been "filtered" post release as there are obvious edit artifcacts clearly visible.

To me it appears you don't know how to distinguish cosmic ray hits from actual objects. I see at least a dozen other hits you could have just as easily circled and claimed to be part of some conspiracy. Again, these "objects" do not repeat in consecutive SOHO images do they? You're just repeating your mistake on a new image. By the way, when I look up with my telescope and find venus to be in the right place, it's not a conspiracy to say it's in the right place. I can't believe you're still trying to argue that one with me.

[edit on 20-2-2009 by ngchunter]

actually they dont, because the time frame between images is greater than the images I posted of 1 min difference. These are form 2 different cameras, so how can this be explained, with due respect.

Originally posted by AllTiedTogether
Using your logic then Phage I can assume that no object can be filmed only once.

Most cameras aren't exposed directly to the sun's radiation in space 24/7. Do not attempt to generalize the issues with filming the sun to filming all objects.

Can you provide a link that show that the followers of the coronal data believe that an object that shows itself within the images must be seen twice at least before being idented as an object.

home.earthlink.net...
You should spend more time learning what it takes to find objects in solar satellite images.

So, if I have an object that is going relatively slow in Space terms

LOL! Slow in space terms? Do you have any concept of orbital mechanics? Why would any object be going slow with respect to the satellite. "Slow" (low energy) with respect to the sun, which is normal, would mean it would be traveling fast with respect to the satellite. If something were going slow with respect to the satellite it would have to be overlapping earth's orbit for its entire orbit, which means earth should have swept it up a long time ago.

and have it near the camera and it happens to get its picture taken and then ten minutes later is not in the shot, that thing that passed by the camera at the slow speed was not real? That just defies logic in my eyes.

The existence of whatever, traveling in earth's orbit without being swept up by earth hundreds or thousands of years ago defies logic.

Just like I showed in the diagram below. Objects that are passing by will be seen and will have a picture taken when they are in the camera's FOV.

Any object passing that close would be traveling so fast it'd never be captured by a camera taking pictures at a rate of 1 per 20 minutes, and if it did, it would definately trail since the exposure is around 30 seconds to a minute long.

They could also have been extremely close to the camera, it could also have been traveling FROM the sun.

Putting your cart before your horse, prove that something traveled close to the camera, somehow didn't trail a bit, and then completely left by the next exposure.

To say NON objects because they don't show up again is ludicrous.

Not when you understand the relative velocities intrinsic to objects in space and the effect of such velocity on a long exposure photo. Oh lookie, I just found proof. Here's what close debris passing by a sun observing satellite looks like:


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Originally posted by guessing
actually they dont, because the time frame between images is greater than the images I posted of 1 min difference. These are form 2 different cameras, so how can this be explained, with due respect.

Like I said, there are about a dozen other ray strikes in that image that look just like the one that was circled. And again, within that satellite's series of images the ray strike does not repeat in consecutive photographs. You just repeated your mistake using a different satellite. By the way, if the objects only showed up in one picture on the STEREO sat because they were slow and close as alltied is insisting, then why do they vanish so quickly from SOHO which is much farther away?
Before:
sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov...
After:
sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov...
No object present in either.

[edit on 20-2-2009 by ngchunter]

Originally posted by ngchunter

Originally posted by guessing
actually they dont, because the time frame between images is greater than the images I posted of 1 min difference. These are form 2 different cameras, so how can this be explained, with due respect.

Like I said, there are about a dozen other ray strikes in that image that look just like the one that was circled. And again, within that satellite's series of images the ray strike does not repeat in consecutive photographs. You just repeated your mistake using a different satellite. By the way, if the objects only showed up in one picture on the STEREO sat because they were slow and close as alltied is insisting, then why do they vanish so quickly from SOHO which is much farther away?
Before:
sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov...
After:
sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov...
No object present in either.

[edit on 20-2-2009 by ngchunter]

appreciate your efforts , heres 2 consecutive images with the same object, lower left at 7 o'oclock ish, please explain this...

reply to post by guessing


Looks like yet another cosmic ray strike to me. Sure enough, it doesn't move at all, not one pixel, and vanishes completely from all other images. I subtracted the two images to prove it didn't budge - had it moved you'd see it brightly in the subtraction:
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It's a cosmic ray strike that didn't get cleared in the second image. If it were anything else it would have shown movement.

[edit on 20-2-2009 by ngchunter]

Hey guys I just found this thread. The following events occured on 01/31/09 in No. Carolina :

At 5:15 PM EST I was sitting at my computer desk (which is adjacent to a south facing window), when I was startled by an intense burst of light like a giant camera flash that lit up the entire sky; appearing to originate from the south. Accompanying this flash was a loud popping noise that came from the south.

I went outside but the sky looked normal, and I did not see anyone to share my curiosity with. I recorded the time and description in my trusty notebook. Two hours later at 7:15 PM EST the same thing happened AGAIN. This time my wife and daughter saw the flash through a kitchen window which faces north, but did not hear the popping noise.

On 2/6/09 I started hearing faint tones similar to those in a hearing test. The tones are followed by the faint sound similar to a distant jet approaching. Again, this activity seems south oriented, or I can hear these noises best when facing south. This is most noticable after midnight when the background noise is less. I can stand in my back yard and hear it intermittently between midnight-6AM EST.

When I point out the sound others can also hear it. I think a brown dwarf is approaching with a planet and several moons in tow from its 3500 year hiatus, but I can't prove anything of the sort.

Well, nothing seems to have headed this way as it's already 22 Feb 09! But here's an image from SOHO taken on 18th Feb that shows a flare at left 10 O'Clock. Probably it's just a huge Solar flare:


Courtesy SAHO

SOHO observed a nice-sized solar storm blast off to the left of the Sun (Feb. 18, 2009). The source of the explosion appears to have been from the far side of the Sun. The STEREO (Behind) spacecraft (which is currently 45 degrees behind Earth in its orbit around the Sun, and so is able to see 45 degrees farther around the Sun's far side) did not detect anything unusual. In general, such explosions are fairly common, but with the Sun near the bottom of its 11-year activity cycle, we have not seen many such storms over the past two years.

In this coronagraph, the Sun and some of its atmosphere is covered by an occulting disk so that we can see faint features in the surrounding corona. The white circle represents the size of the Sun.

But what is intriguing is that it says that generally, though such explosions are fairly common, but with the Sun near the bottom of its 11-year activity cycle, we have not seen many such storms over the past two years. So this has been a sudden outburst sans a 'build-up'.

But thank heavens, nothing seems to have headed our way thus far!!


sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov...

reply to post by HaveSeen4Myself


You think a brown dwarf is heading our way because you saw what was probably two meteorites, and you have been hearing faint sounds? Are you being serious? How on earth can you make such a prediction? You people amaze me.

reply to post by sty


so abbaadon and his locusts are on their way, ah?
or perhaps the blue and white kachinas...
throughout religous texts and "mythologies" the SAME warning has been trying to get our attention.
It's a damn cycle. a cycle based on the golden ratio.
some call it the "spiral of life"
some call it sacred geometry,
Carl Munck called it a MATRIX.
and HOAGLAND called it HYPERDIMENSIONAL PHYSICS!!!!
I call it "GALACTICAL ALIGNMENTS AND EXTINCTION LEVEL EVENTS".
thanks, Paul Laviolette.... i am a scorpio...
AKA "SEKHMENT'S REVENGE" right ZAHEE????
And the DUAT is a symbol of this.
A star... meaning our SUN.
a five pointed star. .. also a pentagram...
a circle around a 5 pointed star.
25,920 years circ, (IE percession...) 12960 , and 5,184 years in between points...
look at these years geologically and archeologically..IE EGYPT, SUMER, MAYA... Permian,devonian, K/T boundary.....
now take those numbers and make a bigger 5 pointed star... by timings them by 5
25,920 x 5 12960 x 5 5,184 x 5
a star within a star within a star within a star you get the geometric equivilence of "FI" I.E. the golden ratio. AKA the spiral of life.. LITERALLY.
these number are ALL OVER MUNCK'S MATRIX....

ALL EXTINCTIONS ARE LISTED AND PREDICTED BY THIS MODEL.

RA is sending his eye... once again...
2012.
9/11 was a sybolic event of what is to come.

the king of terror striking NY (11 years before 2012???)
11 being symbolic of the WTC (2 towers.. 11)
tower of babel??????
and also a fragment striking the PENTAGON.
IE a PENTAGRAM... the missile hit the "upper left side" of the pentagon/pentagram. end of a cycle... (D&M pyramid on MARS)
How MASONIC.
a broken pentagram. I AM SIRIUS!!!!
don't forget building number "7".
I also am very SIRIUS.

what's next... the return of O'SIRIS???? In the WHITEHOUSE???
Behind every big asteroid, is a very big bad ruler...

Or maybe there is, no "devil" in these (tampabay) rays...
galactic rays, cosmic rays? gamma rays?
what kinds of rays????
behold a pale horse. perhaps a white horse, PEGASUS?? hmmm.
PHILLIES in PHILLADELPHIA?????
gee wasn't there a baseball game, with RAYS and PHILLIES?
how masonic.
During game 5 of the ALCS it appeared that RA was sending his RAYS towards earth again.. maybe i should asked the lawn-mower-man

Disclosure is in PLAIN SIGHT.
just have to read the signs.

THE SKY, REALLY IS FALLING.

R.C.H. you really have to get a hold of me.
tell graham, the great pyramids are all wet.

sincerely,
ELE at [email protected]