Attention! Are there Meteors Heading this Way Right Now? Pictures/Very Clear

Originally posted by pmbhuntress
Venus? I thought we were talking about Jupitor? Come on please tell me you didnt show someone the wrong planet.

That's a reference from an earlier thread where alltied was suggesting that the bright star seen in the west just after sunset was not actually Venus, even though I showed a picture of Venus and explained that my telescope automatically located it based on the coordinates. In fact, that's exactly what he was complaining about when he said he didn't trust me, so that is what I was responding to.

And that is the proof that Jupitor is still there, and fine because you showed someone Venus???

No, but he's essentially saying he doesn't trust me because I showed him Venus.

Ok we get it.

Apparently not.

Ok now we all know, Thank goodness. And we hope you still all were not getting to drunk while watching the Planets. We cant help but notice you never anwsered that one. Just kidding.

reply to post by pmbhuntress

I know you were kidding, but in all seriousness, I don't drink at all.
Funny you should use the word watching the planets, as I just happened to basically use that as the name of tomorrow's jupiter webcast (complete coincidence):
www.ustream.tv...

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Lulin was discovered by a Chinese teenager two years ago.

Thanks. I found them interesting....

Also, as you noted a teenager discovered this new comet Lulin. Amazing isn't it that a teen was able to outdo the larger community of astronomical pros. That's one thing I find strange lately that most of the findings like this are being done by backyard astronomers instead the big guys.

Given the technology that pro astronomers use, computers that allow them to watch over long periods to detect new objects, I can't understand why the average 7in telescope is outdoing them. Odds are...

An Italian team of astronomers witnessed Lulin... Team leader Ernesto Guido explains:

Fm Wikipedia Comet Lulin

"We photographed the comet using a remotely-controlled telescope in New Mexico, and our images clearly showed a disconnection event. While we were looking, part of the comet's plasma tail was torn away."

Guido and colleagues believe the event was caused by a magnetic disturbance in the solar wind hitting the comet. It's a plausible hypothesis. Magnetic mini-storms in comet tails have been observed before – most famously in 2007 when NASA's STEREO spacecraft watched a Coronal mass ejection crash into Comet Encke. Encke lost its tail in dramatic fashion, much as Comet Lulin did on February 4.

Makes me feel safe knowing it could only be a CME...

Something to think about. They've mentioned Encke being struck by a CME and also mention a plasma tail being torn away....

Is it a COMET? If the Sun is throwing all this stuff off it and the radiation levesl are higher etc... if a meteor was heading this way and within the sun's range would it have a plasma tail like a Comet?

Rgds

Dont worry people. those are simply Motherships coming across the sun using that solar energy to boost their speed

Originally posted by AllTiedTogether
Given the technology that pro astronomers use, computers that allow them to watch over long periods to detect new objects, I can't understand why the average 7in telescope is outdoing them. Odds are...

For comet hunting there's nothing better than a short focal length scope with a wide aperture. The really big scopes are horrible at comet hunting because they can only see a tiny piece of the sky at a time. The name of the game is coverage, and there are far more amateurs covering far more of the sky on any given night than the professionals can do. That's changing though as new scopes come online specifically designed to gobble up huge chunks of the sky at once and automatically scan the sky. NEAT and LINEAR have bagged a number of comets already as a result.

Originally posted by AllTiedTogether
if a meteor was heading this way and within the sun's range would it have a plasma tail like a Comet?

There are asteroids in the sun's range at all times, none of them have tails though. Meteors, by definition, are bits of rock that are already within the earth's atmosphere, so I think you mean asteroid.

What i saw looked like a lensflare.

and if jupiter "ignited", the moons woudln't come around the sun as pearls on a necklace - They'd be accelerated outwards from their orbits (some visualization might be required)

Btw: ASFAIK, jupiter is per defenition a star, since it emits more energy than it recieves, but it cannot ignite itself. Everyone claiming so, should ban theirselves when it comes out behind the sun. tards.

The sats can malfunction during bad sun weather, and it's a tad bit rough at the moment - don't you guys check spaceweather.com ?

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Anyone want to hazard a guess on what kind of waves were emitted by the two satellites that "collided"? That could be affecting other satellites as well.

Originally posted by pmbhuntress

 

We also found out that there have been more fire ball sightings over the past 6 weeks? Maybe due to the suns activity? Yet we wouldnt have known it all had it not of been for your original post.

More compared to what? January had a high number of reports but last November was much higher. There have been months with similar counts. It's a little early to say that February will be extraordinary. Also, there is always a problem when trying to come to conclusions about statistics based on non-scientific samples, as are the reports to AMS. There is a very good chance that there is an increase in reports because of an increase in the knowledge that reports can be filed.

month month 2006 2007 2008 2009
1 40 66 40 91
2 28 12 56 37
3 50 43 47
4 37 33 39
5 28 36 33
6 20 28 47
7 30 36 42
8 44 80 56
9 41 51 50
10 66 59 79
11 66 60 146
12 64 85 90
Total 514 589 725 128



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reply to post by ngchunter

So because I took the time out of my day on two occasions to prove that Venus is in the correct location, you don't believe me?

Should you wish to believe that is the reason for my disbelief, feel free. But should you think that I would take your word that Venus is in it's proper place and, your providing a picture of something extremely bright in its place, would take precedence over someone who has provided a vast amount of knowledge to both the science community as well as the conspiracy community is unbelievable. Richard Hoagland is in my opinion a more credible source than someone named ngchunter, who has yet to provide proof that he has actually found let alone hunted NGCs.

As I've stated, your input has been noted and appreciated but, do you really expect me to say lets drop this thing because some guy that's been on ATS for two years that has a goto telescope knows its Venus?

Besides, where is it that anyone stated that you wouldn't see either Venus or Jupiter? I haven't said that they wouldn't be there... TRy reading what I've written throughout the thread. I've stated that the flare we saw on the 28th could have been Jupiter and that it could have been in correlation to the 20th and the 24th where we begin to see things emerge from the sun's proximity. I don't expect anyone to prove anything that would completely dismiss any of this. I don't know how you can think that. We don't seem to have any professional types that are willing to confirm this.

Please do continue putting all of your efforts into your astronomical endeavors, as it seems these are the times to be doing that and not concentrating on boring threads that only make some look bad.

I will attempt to watch the video when it comes out, as I wouldn't use any of those things you mentioned... Security... I know conspiracy...


God speed and Fair 'space' Winds
Rgds

Originally posted by ngchunter
reply to post by pmbhuntress

 

I know you were kidding, but in all seriousness, I don't drink at all.
Funny you should use the word watching the planets, as I just happened to basically use that as the name of tomorrow's jupiter webcast (complete coincidence):
www.ustream.tv...

LOL, I dont drink either, never have and hope never to. Of course if you see a huge Meteor heading towards us that looks like it may crash into us and kill us all. I will take up drinking real fast. I watch the planets all the time. So I always call it watching the planets. My husband calls it watching the stars but I prefer Watching the planets.

I didnt read all of your post when I rreplied earlier. Sorry about that but hubby told me neighbor had the woods on fire. So I went and looked and he sure did. The fire department is still batteling it out even now. I just replied and did a quick duck and run so I could keep an eye on it. I didnt want it to head our way. Then when the coast was clear I got back in.

Originally posted by K-Raz
What i saw looked like a lensflare.

and if jupiter "ignited", the moons woudln't come around the sun as pearls on a necklace - They'd be accelerated outwards from their orbits (some visualization might be required)

Btw: ASFAIK, jupiter is per defenition a star, since it emits more energy than it recieves, but it cannot ignite itself. Everyone claiming so, should ban theirselves when it comes out behind the sun. tards.

The sats can malfunction during bad sun weather, and it's a tad bit rough at the moment - don't you guys check spaceweather.com ?

Hi KRaz... I think the picture on the 28th was possibly a lense flare... but what followed looked suspicious... check the website for the before and after shots and the other views that need to be looked at in comparison. From about the 18Jan to 2Feb.

If it was Jupiter that ignited. I'm not saying that. As to whether it is possible to ignite Jupiter is going by what you know as someone who is told what is possible. If you check this document out you will learn about some of the hidden treasures of the government. The Jason Group. An elite group of scientists and thinkers who would gather all information and use it to the best ability of the killers. Really is a good read. Of course don't believe everything you read from any one place. Everyone is in fact providing some type of disinfo. The Jason group had ignition of a planet as a scenario in their plans.... coincidence? Has everything you've stated come true? Should you ban yourself should something you mention not come true?

The satellites can go bad in solar weather, yes. But doesn't it seem odd that two sats collide(two that we've heard of), two submarines collide, dolphins and whales are beaching etc, and they all have the use of the magnetosphere. Can a large object have an effect on the magnetosphere and the upper atmosphere? Think so.

But there is a time when all the dots connect and you must say there may be a connection.

Tards? No. Different thinkers. Able to look at both sides and weigh the evidence...

Rgds

Originally posted by pmbhuntress
I just found a good surce of info that states there was alot of fireballs over the past day:

Feb 15 2130 EST Oswego New York Zenith-W30
Feb 15 1950 EST Columbia Pennsylvania SW45-SE30
Feb 15 1745 EST Frederick Maryland ESE45-ESE20
Feb 15 1110 CST Austin Texas N90-NW45
Feb 15 1101 CST Wylie Texas SW75-S40
Feb 15 1100 CST SW Travis County Texas N50-NW20
Feb 15 1100 CST McKinney Texas NE30-N30
Feb 15 1100 CST Elgin Texas NE30-N20
Feb 15 1057 CST North Austin Texas NE25-N20
Feb 15 1055 CST Austin Texas NE45-N20
Feb 15 1028 CST North Dallas Texas SW30
Feb 15 0045 EST Concord New Hampshire 7-5
Feb 15 0039 EST Portland Maine NE45
Feb 15 0034 EST Revere Massachusetts NE45-NE30


This is just for the 15th the truth is that in total there has been over 180 total reported to them so far and that is just the reported ones. There are still those that havent been reported. And thats just for 2009, and here in the USA. So I hate to think of it world wide and all of the ones not reported.

I'm afraid you've counted the same event multiple times. Each listing represents a report of an event from a member of the public.

Sometimes the time is only estimated, so it's more likely the '14 fireballs' you have above are actually 14 reports submitted for 7 fireballs.

The numbers Phage posted above are a much better indicator of the frequency

Something else that might jog someone's thinking ....

The spacecraft called Galileo is on its way to Jupiter, a baby star with a gaseous makeup exactly the same as our sun, with a load of 49.7 pounds of plutonium, supposedly being used as batteries to power the craft. When its final orbit decays in December 1999, Galileo will deliver its payload into the center of Jupiter. The unbelievable pressure that will be encountered will cause a reaction exactly as occurs when an atomic bomb is exploded by an implosion detonator. The plutonium will explode in an atomic reaction, lighting the hydrogen and helium atmosphere of Jupiter and resulting in the birth of the star that has already been named Lucifer.

The world will interpret it as a sign of tremendous religious significance. It will fulfill prophecy. In reality it is only a demonstration of the insane application of technology by the JASON Society which may or may not even work. They have practiced overkill to ensure success, however, as the documents that I read while in Naval Intelligence stated that Project GALILEO required only five pounds of plutonium to ignite Jupiter and possibly stave off the coming ice age. Global warming is a hoax. It is easier for the public to deal with and will give the ruling elite more time before panic and anarchy replace government. The reality is that overall global temperatures are becoming lower. Storms are becoming more violent and less predictable.

Source.. William Cooper

Check my signature block and look how this is playing out. The above was written approx 1998. The Galileo satellite was sent into the Jovian atmosphere to protect space from radioactive debris 99. Cooper died in 2001 before the rest of his scenario could take place. His writings are continuing to become reality each day. He was another one who had a piece of the puzzle....

Rgds

reply to post by C.H.U.D.


It's actually five meteors. Note that the alphabetic suffix indicates multiple sightings of the same object.

128 15-Feb 2130 EST Oswego New York
127 15-Feb 1950 CST Columbia Pennsylvania
126 15-Feb 1745 EST Frederick Maryland
125h 15-Feb 1110 CST Austin Texas
125g 15-Feb 1101 CST Wylie Texas
125f 15-Feb 1100 CST SW Travis County Texas
125e 15-Feb 1100 CST McKinney Texas
125d 15-Feb 1100 CST Elgin Texas
125c 15-Feb 1057 CST North Austin Texas
125b 15-Feb 1055 CST Austin Texas
125a 15-Feb 1028 CST North Dallas Texas
124c 15-Feb 0045 EST Concord New Hampshire
124b 15-Feb 0039 EST Portland Maine
124a 15-Feb 0034 EST Revere Massachusetts

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reply to post by AllTiedTogether


But it did not happen. Jupiter did not become a star. He was wrong.

Originally posted by AllTiedTogether
Should you wish to believe that is the reason for my disbelief, feel free. But should you think that I would take your word that Venus is in it's proper place and, your providing a picture of something extremely bright in its place, would take precedence over someone who has provided a vast amount of knowledge to both the science community as well as the conspiracy community is unbelievable.

I provided a clear image of Venus, not just "something bright." I also showed Venus live, as well as its actual coordinates the other night, but not surprisingly you didn't attend. And yes, facts and evidence should take precedence over claims. Failure to do so is a logical fallacy.

Richard Hoagland is in my opinion a more credible source than someone named ngchunter, who has yet to provide proof that he has actually found let alone hunted NGCs.

Glad to know you think I'm less credible than a discredited charlatan because I dared to challenge your beliefs with evidence. Like phage said, Jupiter didn't become a star, he was wrong. Want proof that I can find NGC objects? Here:

NGC 2024 - Flame Nebula


NGC 891 - Edge on Galaxy

As I've stated, your input has been noted and appreciated but, do you really expect me to say lets drop this thing because some guy that's been on ATS for two years that has a goto telescope knows its Venus?

Yes.

Besides, where is it that anyone stated that you wouldn't see either Venus or Jupiter?

You claimed on a previous thread that people shouldn't tell you that the bright object was Venus unless they actually measured its position. I'm guessing you didn't actually expect anyone to be capable of doing just that. Now you disbelieve any evidence I offer because I previously posted an image of Venus and my word that it was in the correct position that I gave you wasn't good enough for you.

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Again I tell you to check before you say I say something... I asked for people to verify what we are seeing and that multiple observations to confirm with multiple sightings from possibly each viewer would be good also. I suggested a scientific approach instead of 'I know therefore it is so' attitude.

As for facts and claims... read the OP please.... At no point did I say that Venus or Jupiter were not visible or are coming our way or anything of the sort. WoW you make some pretty outlandish claims. You think pretty highly of yourself... how do you think history will record you as knowledgeable when you cast those that share the ranks with Hoagland as being unworthy of listening to their word. You've shot yourself in the foot on that one and I have to return to my work now and stop playing with the kids.


Thank you for the awesome picture.... I wish I would have continued in the hobby. Looking forward to those videos...

Rgds

Originally posted by AllTiedTogether

SpacePunk explained it quite well earlier

What you circled there, the dark 'voids' (plasma can't 'get in there' hence why they are dark) are were the magnetic loops are. This is perfectly normal. I'd be surprised if they weren't there!

If you look just to the upper right, you can also see them 'fanning out' and upwards, but the perspective is different. The loops you have marked out, are ones that you are actually looking along, like looking down a tube.


Source: click here


Source: cfht.hawaii.edu/

Sometimes the loops trap the plasma instead, so you can see them


Source: astronomy.neatherd.org

Understand now?

As for meteoroids, they are hitting us 24/7, year in, year out... nature is not mechanical and 'regimented', so sometimes we get more and sometimes we get less. The frequency of late is not *that* unusual, and this spate may well continue. Meteoroids will never stop hitting us. Thankfully, dangerous objects are very rare.