A simple method to detect disinfo-agents

reply to post by Hanslune


I would be more likely to think it would be a faction within the Government.
The Military.

Well first you have to assume that there is real info here to be discredited.

Seems like a lot of mental masterbation going on. Sure its fun but in the end just a replacement for the real thing..

Dont get me wrong the site is fun to read and entertaining.


If I was a dis-info agent I would have started this thread to deflect the truth a way from me. muhahahha

reply to post by ranhome



I don't have much to say other than that.

reply to post by Hanslune


I didnt make any definitive statement on the source of disinformation at all. Instead I provided a method of easily detecint deliberate disinformers...whatever their agenda or origin may be.

Not so difficult to understand.

[edit on 17-2-2009 by Skyfloating]

Originally posted by thrashee
This is where your logic fails. This is exactly where you are essentially stating, "if they rebuke your claims, they're likely a disinfo agent". This is entirely self-supporting logic.

Nah...I wouldnt argue that anyone who disagrees is a disinfo agent.

Its a bit different if you have a piece of hard and scandalous fact that has not been published yet. The nature, feel and quality of the disinfo-attack is different...especially after those hard facts start to be leaked. Ive seen crazy things happen when certain people feel threatened by information.

On the other hand, those crazy things are also just a rational progression of human thought.

Imagine that you have X happen. It is so profound that it simply shakes people to their core. Well, the natural progression is going to be first - deny; second - fight against actively and third - to accept as fact...

This much is true. This also makes it pretty difficult just to say that someone is a disinfo agent. I think this is the point people are trying to make. It is damned near impossible to finger a disinfo agent. Without knowing the mindset of the individual, it is impossible to determine their motives.
Unless you have electronic telepathy technology.

I've been passively making fun of this thread for quite some time. But honestly, I can see both sides here.
While I think there may be techniques for pointing out SUSPECTS, as Mr. Burns put it, you can't be sure by any means, unless you have an admission of guilt.

Hell, the entire proxi-server technique of using multiple IDs is tried and true. But even if you could prove THAT MUCH, you couldn't determine if they are disinfo.
Just rest assured they are here until the government gives up using them.

[edit on 17-2-2009 by Jay-in-AR]

I've been labelled a disinfo agent before, probably due to my generally sceptical nature.

I can only assure people that I'm not a disinfo agent, although it does seem like good work if you can get it.

Desk job, you can work from home. Easy money, could be entertaining.

Where do I sign up?

Wow what a bunch of bull you guys who claim to be so called x disinfo agents LOL .. I guess its fun to pretend to live out a childhood fantasy creating a grand illusion of power and control that could appear genuine online because no one could confirm or dismiss it.. It's pretty sad actually that someone gets that bored and lonely. The government could easily chalk all this up as a bunch of hyped up non-sense and label you as mental end of story, dont think they would ever waste time and money on such unimportant content. therefore In my opinion they would not waste time posting on such forums.
I personally think its a cry out for attention by some lonely people claiming to be "affiliated" now or at one point .
I am all for disclosure of any info the government may have and also I am very curious as to what is really going on with UFO related news and happenings, but the idea that the government is interested in whats being said here is pretty much crap.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post by Hanslune

 

I didnt make any definitive statement on the source of disinformation at all. Instead I provided a method of easily detecint deliberate disinformers...whatever their agenda or origin may be.

Not so difficult to understand.

[edit on 17-2-2009 by Skyfloating]

So Sky you have a method to detect people who don't come from anywhere and have no purpose or mission they are just freelance "disinformation agents".....well OOOOkkaayy. Sounds like people with a different opinion to me not organized "disinformation agents".

How would they know your information you are leaking is important? Who is the brainy genius/organization going around giving detailed lists of what to watch for - and then deny it?

Explain if you could how a organization would recruit and train disinformation agents?

Uhhh, this?

Ah. So I guess all 'disinfo agents' sprung up in 2003, then; and before that, there was nothing. Question, has the amount of false stories and debunkers increased since 2003, and do have any evidence they were not kids with too much spare time? And if it is happening, it is very hard to believe it is widespread... maybe we could do an investigation; of course, you probably don't trust me... essentially we find debunkers and disinfo agents, and talk to them, on webcam, or maybe in real life. Or maybe someone can find a real example of disinfo agents on ATS? Maybe we could create a thread about suspected disinfo posts?

You`ve never been lied to here?

No doubt I've been lied to. The question is were they government disinfo agents, or, just plain, boring, kids with too much spare time? I have always found they're kids with too much spare time, as it has always been shown if you get to know them, that's precisely what they are. Hell, there are even forums dedicated to conspiracies about ATS itself; and I've never seen much about disinfo agents on them. Weirdest thing I've heard of is randomly disappearing posts, but they were probably a browser issue.

How would you possibly know U.S. government policy as it relates to psyops, disinfo campaigns or attempts to control information on the internet?

How would you possibly know the U.S. government is posting on ATS as 'disinfo agents'? It's probably a good idea to actually read the Intel ops roadmap... www.gwu.edu... Also, I want to clarify once again that I am speaking of ATS only, not MIB or any other silencing operations; one only has to look at Minot incident to see that. Also, please provide examples of disinfo on ATS, and provide with evidence they are government.

Is it similar to how all the evidence from TWA 800 pointed to a center fuel tank explosion? (well, except for traces of explosives residue on a dozen row of seats and a few hundred people who saw a missile rise up from the eastern seaboard, but I digress.)

Nope.

Similar to how all evidence from American Eagle Flight 4184 pointed to icing. The similarities it had with Continental Connection Flight 3407 were as follows.

• Similar aircraft configuration.
  
• Similar de-ice configuration.
  
• Both in known icing conditions.
  
• Both aircraft departed controlled flight apon configuration change.
  
• Both had uncommanded roll and pitch excursions.
  
• Both aircraft were on autopilot in icing conditions.
  

And on top of that, the de-ice requirements on said aircraft are for droplet sizes of 40 millimetres, not 200 millimetres as aircraft can encounter.

I ask you, what similarities, are there with TWA flight 800, or any other conspiracy? Important people were on board? If you find any proper evidence, then I will be the first to admit being wrong. Until then, I am done playing games with you on this subject.

Just out of curiosity, why would an Australian care if 9/11 was an inside job or not?

I guess you would ask the 100,000 to 2,000,000 Iraqi's and Afghan's who have been killed the same question. But of course, other countries should completely stay out of United States politics, despite the United States being clearly EXEMPT from this rule. Uh, maybe because Australian soldiers I knew, personally, have been killed on deployments to fight Americas war; based on false premises?

Don't confuse me with 9/11 truth deniers; I will only post on aviation related issues as that's where I can contribute the most; I am not knowledgable in many areas - so I keep my mouth shut. Therefore, don't get upset when I chime in occasionally catch a fallacy or two, or attempt to shed some light on an aviation related topic. You don't like my authorative tone? I love it; try using it against debunkers. Outside of the aviation forum, how would you like me to respond? Do I show traits of disinfo agents? What are they? Just curious...

And why would that Australian spell "defense" the American way?

Possibly for the same reason most Australians spell, 'Gaol', as Jail; the same reason why I spell 'program' as programme, the same reason I spell sence, sense (or the other way around). If you really are that paranoid, maybe you should be asking, who I work for. Is it ASIO, MI6, CIA? Or maybe I should include CONTROL, and Quantum?

I have a question for you. Your signature says, "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." My question is this; what exactly have you done to defend your country against your government? I ask because it seems to me like you're justifying this whole charade of yours by fighting imaginary disinfo agents over the internet.

Just a thought.



[edit on 18/2/2009 by C0bzz]

Over a month ago, someone posted in a 911 thread that he had witnessed the plane crash into the Pentagon, he was alledgedly driving on Washington Blvd when it happened.

After examining the details, I, and others made it clear that his story was a lie, it couldn't have happened the way he told it.

He was asked to explain himself, but he never returned to thread.

He just kept on posting in other threads like nothing happened.

My resulting anger got me a posting ban, wich technically, wasn't even called for.

I notified the staff about his lies, but I don't think anything was done.

I thought it was against the rules to knowingly post false information.

The guy's still posting happily ever after.

I've been posting banned for over a month, because the mod that gave it to me, never notified the rest off the staff, and then the mod stayed offline for the last three weeks.

I had to contact another mod myself to get it lifted, a few days ago.

reply to post by RFBurns


RF, You have touched how a organization would recruit disinformation agents, but how were you trained? and what parameters were you given? ie muddle up anything on UFOs> What were your KPI's ? Did they measure your success?
Did they give you specific topics to derail? Did they give you the reasons WHY they wanted them derailed?
Zazz

reply to post by Hanslune


Interesting segue, but let's avoid the suggestion of mocking Sky's thesis because, after all, it generated a pretty good thread.

I'd also hope that we wouldn't get off track talking about other conspiracies in this thread. I think it better to link up than to get off the track of an overall discussion.

It's clear that such things do exist and one only need to cite the CIA's own study where they used UFOs to cover their advanced flight programs.

Originally posted by Syandos
reply to post by Hanslune

 

It's clear that such things do exist and one only need to cite the CIA's own study where they used UFOs to cover their advanced flight programs.

My pet theory is that the American military started the internet in order to get people use to a mass form of communication and when the people were all addicted to it in most countries, start controlling it and the information that gets put out.

They set up sites like ATS in order to take people away from this reality while slowly subduing them in. The biggest lie is sometimes the most obvious.




[edit on 18-2-2009 by spacial]

I here a lot of talk about disinfo agents...

But has anyone considered that there are those here on the OTHER side of the coin?

True 'agents' or at least insiders that are here to leak the real stuff and hide those gems amongst all the BS?

Just a thought

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Its a bit different if you have a piece of hard and scandalous fact that has not been published yet. The nature, feel and quality of the disinfo-attack is different...especially after those hard facts start to be leaked. Ive seen crazy things happen when certain people feel threatened by information.

Can you give us any examples here? I don't mean to ridicule the "nature, feel, and quality" of one type of attack versus the other, but these are very, very subjective terms. Essentially you're stating that "these attacks feel different, thus they must be".

reply to post by Syandos


But Sky has stated it not the government so who is running all these disinfo agents? Plus the CIA and airforce didn't use disinfo agents on forums to suppress ideas they used the cover story of UFO to cover up the flights of experimental aircraft.

Originally posted by Hanslune
Explain if you could how a organization would recruit and train disinformation agents?

I dont know the recruiting and training process. Maybe RFBurns who also posted in this thread can tell you something about that.

Originally posted by Hanslune
reply to post by Syandos

 

But Sky has stated it not the government so who is running all these disinfo agents?

No I havent. I`ve made no definitive statement on who. I´ve only made a definitive state on what.

It's self-evident that ATS messages contain a mixture of genuine reporting, unconfirmed information, rumours, misinformation, disinformation, etc.

The cumulative effect is to bury or dilute the important stuff from. And this accomplishes an end in itself. Information is weighed not only on it's content but from the source that it comes from. Saying it was ATS has little weight in the outside world.

I don't think it can be stressed enough that the wild-eyed stuff with no solidity be weeded out as much as possible. Some will argue that no one has the ability or right to arbitrarily decide what is good and bad. I agree philosophically, but not what that ends up producing.

We have a site where some really breakthrough material appears. But as there is so much questionable other non-information around, sometimes in the same thread, it's difficult to isolate. It gets lost.

I don't have an immediate solution. But I'd like to be able to tell someone I read something of importance and not have to say "I know it was on ATS - but it really IS true!"


Mike F