Possible Satellite Debris Falling Across The Region

Originally posted by sueloujo
Well you can blame a bin laden again..one of the sattelites belonged to osamas brother

911review.org...

If you read the end of the OP's article it says it was the Iridium 33 Satellite. Your link refers to the Iridium 38 satellite. Nice try, but I think the Bin Laden satellite is still flying high.

I am wondering if this is all really caused by colliding satellites. Seems like a lot of debris over a huge area. Anybody else suspect someone is knocking out comm satellites around the world in prep for something? Maybe someone shot down the recently launched Iranian satellite and all this is a cover story. hahaha Gotta get control of the CT in my head ... !

[edit on 16-2-2009 by PH43DRUS]

Osama Bin Laden got skunked again even though the Iridium network
was a private venture (funded by brothers) it had secure communication
through a Hawaii US government station that might or could record messages
from Bin Laden's satellite phone use.

So Osama would not use that phone and his brothers investment were
lost in the company Bankruptcy and his other cell phone could fix
a cruise missile on him.

Back to donkey comm for Osama.

Originally posted by C.H.U.D.

Originally posted by violet
was that done in haste? That's what got my attention, as I'm sure it did others.

Exactly. It's not unusual in cases like this to have lots of confused reports, and without knowing a fair bit about the nature of events like this, it's easy to make a wrong assumption based on flawed reasoning/inaccurate reports.

Bodies like the FAA should be more responsible, but for whatever reason, even they fall into the same trap.

It's a similar pattern every time something like this happens, and it's quite frustrating ..

The FAA shouldn't have been suggesting it was the debris causing the sightings until they knew conclusively it was. Now their spokespeople are saying in the latest stories the debris did not cause the fireballs/meteorites. Had I just read about fireballs, I would have thought just that - normal phenomenon occuring. The opening post was the NOAA advisory connecting the fireballs to the satellite debris. Then I contribute and added the NOTAM notice. Then the news gets wind of it saying debris landed even found at one point (see below), fires buring, planes crashing etc. All tied into timing with the recent collision.

Anyways, here's more from some Pilots and Air Traffic controllers:

Fiery objects blaze through sky

DALLAS: The U.S. government says there's no relation between the fireballs that streaked the Texas skies Sunday and the collision of two satellites over Siberia last week."There is no correlation between the debris from that collision and those reports of re-entry," said Maj. Regina Winchester, official spokesman for the U.S. Strategic Command ...

officials at Strategic Command came to that conclusion by noting the orientation in space of the belt of debris formed from the remains of both satellites, and that Texas was not passing through the belts of debris at the time of the sightings......

Air traffic controllers at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport also received several reports from pilots of a streak of light in the sky. Some pilots said it looked like something re-entering the atmosphere, an air traffic source said.The FAA notified pilots on Saturday to be aware of possible space debris from the collision. Controllers also saw what looked like a vapor trail in the sky far to the south of the airport. The FAA said it suspected the lights are pieces of two big communications satellites that collided in space on Tuesday, but the FAA could not confirm it. The FAA said some Texas law enforcement agencies have found debris, but it was not immediately clear which agencies reported finding pieces.

Ful story
MSNBC

[edit on 16-2-2009 by violet]

reply to post by violet


I saw this on Nightline, it's all hog wash, the government is creating a cover up. How would you feel if you knew there's radioactive fallout from these satellites contaminating our water. It would cause mass panic.

abcnews.go.com

abcnews.go.com...

The U.S. Strategic Command said there was no connection to the sightings over Texas and Tuesday's collision of satellites from the U.S. and Russia.

"There is no correlation between the debris from that collision and those reports of re-entry," said Maj. Regina Winchester, with STRATCOM.

Bullsh@t on STRATCOM, I smell cover up from the government.

[edit on 16-2-2009 by imitator]

What fell in Texas ..

The Federal Aviation Administration said the fireball appeared to be a natural phenomenon.

The object was visible yesterday morning from Austin to Dallas and into East Texas.

Astronomer Preston Starr is observatory manager at the University of North Texas.

Starr told The Associated Press he believes the object was a carbonaceous (kar-buh-NAY'-shus) meteor "about the size of a pickup truck."

He said it was a "slow mover" and probably has the consistency of concrete.

Starr says objects as large as the one spotted yesterday enter the atmosphere about eight or 10 times a year.

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[edit on 16-2-2009 by violet]

reply to post by violet


I think it was those satellites, not 100% sure, though to much of a coincidence. Not only that, I've read it would take them months to track the falling debri from the satellites.

When they said, "Texas was not passing through the belts of debris at the time of the sightings." That would be a lie, as they haven't completely tracked the debri.

So why would they lie?

www.voanews.com...
Scientists say it will take some time to plot the future courses of the debris left from the collision between the one-ton Russian satellite and the 560-kilogram commercial satellite operated by the Iridium company.

I would speculate STRATCOM is lying.

[edit on 16-2-2009 by imitator]

Regarding the US Navy's missile vs. satellite from last year:

Officials expect that over 50% of the debris will fall to Earth within the first 15 hours after the strike - or within its first two revolutions of Earth.

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Originally posted by JohnTheBaptist
Regarding the US Navy's missile vs. satellite from last year:

Officials expect that over 50% of the debris will fall to Earth within the first 15 hours after the strike - or within its first two revolutions of Earth.

Interesting ...

One "expert" regarding this collision debris said it would take about a month for the debris to enter Earth's atmosphere. This of course contradicts the other experts (FAA) suggesting it was falling during the Texas sightings.

I'm guessing they estimate the time before any debris starts falling to Earth is guaged by how high the object was orbiting prior to explosions, and maybe weight and materials it's made of and how it fragmented into pieces and assortment of sizes of the fragments?

Originally posted by violet
The FAA shouldn't have been suggesting it was the debris causing the sightings until they knew conclusively it was.

I agree 100%, but unfortunately it is not unusual for those who should know better than to give out suspect data when an event like this occurs, to do so.

Much of the problem is that the field of meteors is quite a specialized subject, and even many experienced astronomers, if they are not very familiar with meteors, can fall into one of the many traps the subject has to offer.

I think that when someone like the FAA look for an 'expert' to advise them, they ring up the head of the nearest observatory, or head of astronomy at an educational establishment, which does not necessarily mean they get an expert in meteors!

Originally posted by violet
Then the news gets wind of it saying debris landed even found at one point (see below), fires buring, planes crashing etc. All tied into timing with the recent collision.

I'm used to it. The media are just relaying the info and accounts for the most part, although they do blow things out of proportion a bit sometimes.

The #1 reason for most of the confusion is that most people don't understand how a meteor that appears to be only just above the ground, can, and is actually hundreds of miles away.

By the way, I expect that size estimate to come down a bit. I doubt this was much bigger than the event in Canada last year that kicked it all off, but that is just an educated guess given what I saw in the footage.

Originally posted by violet

Interesting ...

One "expert" regarding this collision debris said it would take about a month for the debris to enter Earth's atmosphere. This of course contradicts the other experts (FAA) suggesting it was falling during the Texas sightings.

The satellite collision was at 790 km altitude, where as the missile was used against a satellite at an altitude of just 250km. They are completely different scenarios.

There is now a video available of the Italian fireball (you'll need DVIX if you do not already have it).

Ferruccio Zanotti of Ferrara, Italy, recorded that same fireball and two others. Italian scientists are plotting the trajectory of the brightest fireball to estimate where it might have hit the ground; a meteorite hunt will soon be underway.

Although it is tempting to attribute the Kentucky and Italian fireballs to debris from the Feb. 10th collision of the Iridium 33 and Kosmos 2251 satellites, they also seem to be meteoroids, not manmade objects.

Visit the source for full text: spaceweather.com

No debris but advisory "in case there is some"
BTW do meterorites / asteroids leak liquids?

Space debris advisory

The Department of Public Safety issued an advisory to law enforcement and other first responders Monday stating that "numerous unconfirmed reports" of fallen debris have been received in central, north and northeast Texas.

The advisory urges local authorities to forward such reports to the State Operations Center, which will activate its response team -- the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality and the Texas Military Forces 6th Civil Support Team -- to safely remove the debris.

The public is cautioned to remain a safe distance from any debris and to contact local law enforcement, not to touch it, inhale gases emanating from it or walk in liquids leaking from debris.

"It doesn't necessarily mean that there could be some debris falling in our area," said Sgt. John Cummins, of the Taylor County Sheriff's Office. "It's just an advisory in case there does happen to be (debris)." No debris related to this incident has been reported to the Taylor County Sheriff's Office.

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Quote from a post I made above:
"The FAA said some Texas law enforcement agencies have found debris, but it was not immediately clear which agencies reported finding pieces."

So this would exclude Taylor County Sheriff's Office

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[edit on 17-2-2009 by violet]

Originally posted by violet
No debris but advisory "in case there is some"
BTW do meterorites / asteroids leak liquids?

Not as far as I know, but I suppose in theory that it's possible that they might. There could be ice in a cavity that might stay frozen, and only melt on the ground. Pure speculation though, since I do not know of a case.

I think that they are releasing this advisory to 'cover themselves', just in case any junk does happen to fall. Satellites often have a tank containing hydrazine fuel that powers the thrusters, and it's fairly nasty stuff, hence why the caution.

Originally posted by violet
Quote from a post I made above:
"The FAA said some Texas law enforcement agencies have found debris, but it was not immediately clear which agencies reported finding pieces."

I'll believe it when I see it. Law enforcement agencies are not very well qualified to know what a fall looks like, and chances are they misidentified some terrestrial junk. It wouldn't be the first time!

I'd have to urge caution, at least till we get some kind of confirmation from a trusted source.

In case you missed it, the latest update on the debris cloud says that the debris is pretty small in size (mostly under 10cm), so it's unlikely any bits of debris will be found on the ground. I would not rule it out altogether though.

[edit on 17-2-2009 by C.H.U.D.]

SATELLITE DEBRIS: US Space Command is tracking debris from the collision of Iridium 33 and Kosmos 2251. The two satellites were shattered on Feb. 10th when they crashed together at 22,000 mph high above northern Siberia. Orbits have now been measured for the 26 largest fragments--8 pieces of Iridium 33 and 18 pieces of Kosmos 2251.

spaceweather.com...



[edit on 18-2-2009 by arktkchr]

Plano, Texas Police Officer has video

With reports of a fireball soaring through Texas skies on Sunday morning, one Plano police officer captured a glimpse of the fiery mystery on her squad camera.

Beverly Roady noticed the fireball while attempting to perform a routine traffic stop about 11 a.m....

Original reports that the fireball occurred when two satellites collided over Siberia have been overturned by the military. The theory now is that it was a meteorite.

Ron DiLulio, director of the planetarium and astronomy lab program at the University of North Texas, said after watching the video captured by the Plano officer he is almost certain it is a bolide meteorite, a large stony meteorite that explodes.

“[From] this video you can tell it looks aerodynamic; it’s not twisting like debris would,” DiLulio said.

“This is definitely a meteorite. I’m estimating it’s about the size of a pick-up truck. This is a great shot.

DiLulio is preparing to take a research team to a potential fall site based on video and various calculations. He would not reveal where that site is. He said one mystery is what direction the bolide was traveling and how fast. He said the Plano officer’s shot clearly shows it is traveling southwest.

There have been no official reports of debris or fire that touched ground in Plano or anywhere across Texas.

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So...start using our umbrellas no matter what the weather? Ugh. What next?

Chunk of metal falls through roof of moving company

Officials report that a 6-by-3 chunk of metal fell through the roof of Al Smith Moving, 33 Pacific Ave., Jersey City, this morning around 9:30. The metal, whose origin is not yet known, stayed hot for about 30 minutes after it hit the ground, an eyewitness said.

The debris landed in a storage area of the moving company, a single-story warehouse.

Theories about where the metal originated include that it came from a satellite or aircraft, although nothing has been confirmed.

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reply to post by violet


No way is that debris from space.

It's rusty, and has weld 'marks'.

Neither of those would be found on satellite debris.

Also, it was hot - if you read what I said before, fallen debris/meteorites would not be hot usually.

[edit on 18-2-2009 by C.H.U.D.]

Falling Objects spotted In San Diego

At 2:40 p.m., a caller reported seeing a piece of silver metal fall from the sky over Interstate 8 by the Pine Valley bridge, according to a California Highway Patrol dispatcher.

A second caller reported seeing something on fire fall from the sky, said Lt. Anthony Ray of the San Diego Sheriff's Department.

Officers checked with Lindbergh Field and said no planes had been reported missing, according to Ray.

The search continued for more than an hour after the first call, but deputies on the ground and in the air had not found anything, Ray said.

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@ C.H.U.D.

Sorry I can't quote or do reply to, this reply box isn't working, but yes I agree it looks man-made or terrestrial in nature.

I'm just adding these stories to the thread subject, since debris is falling across the region ... and all these stories keep speculating about the satellite debris. I don't think these stories warrant their own thread, unless they offer some new insight


[edit on 18-2-2009 by violet]