Not One Member Read the Stimulus Bill??!!

Originally posted by aquiesce
Maybe, the Republicans had their rude awakening and might do a little better in the future.

Bwahaha! That's so funny! They've been overtaken by those bible-thumping hicks so what you say is impossible. They will eff up even more in the future. It's in their nature.

reply to post by marg6043


Do you think we should just give the money straight to the workers without a knowledgeable project manager? Of course large corporations will make money, this will be good for investors and your 401K. They will also have to hire a boatload of folks to do the work. Worry about future taxes all you want, without some kind of stimulus, we are heading straight down the tubes and taking the rest of the world with us. Having a larger defecit is a much better scenario which ultimately can be wiped out with a few computer strokes as much of this money will come from the fed at 0-.5% interest rates. Ultimately the outcome will be a Nesara type legislation which end the peoples debt inservitude once and for all.

As for the repubs they won't be happy until they have all the money in the world and a population either dead or in eternal servitude. For a conspiracy website you folks don't catch on very fast.

Hey, all you who moaned and groaned about Bush and Blindly elected Obama as his replacement, are to blame. You wanted Change. You got Change. Its called Socialism. Its called required civil service or Brown Shirting or more plainly, Slavery!

Congress is so out of touch with America, but what gets me, is how Out of Touch the Americans who Elected them are.

You have no one to blame but YOU! You allowed them to do this. You empowered them to do it. By sitting on your comfy couch playing Xbox while the Loud Majority took over. "Oh that right? It doesnt effect me right at this moment, who cares if they take it from me."

reply to post by sad_eyed_lady


We chose Obama we chose blissful ignorance, hope everyone is ready for harsh reality....not yet though, we can blame Bush for at least 5 more years.

reply to post by arcnaver


Hate to burst your bush bubble but his war for his crony buddies is what wasted our money.(that and his rich buddies only tax cut) We HAD a surplus.(as in eight years ago) NOW we're in debt.(as in it started about eight years ago)
I sure hope you make over 200,000 a year, then I understand where you may be coming from.

Just wanted to relay a personal experience. I seen where someone dug up something in the last bailout about, if it gets too bad we will give ourselves over to indebtor countries, basically. Would sure fit in with numerous other "conspiracies". I searched and searched and for the life of me I could not find it. Believe what you want about any of it, but we're either real stupid when it comes to running things or it's all planned! We're already in trouble.(as it started about a hundred years ago when the bankers took over)
We chose war on pretty much everything. Especially money!


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Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
I'm not mad that few people took the time to read it, but that they were not given the time to read it.

I think the PTB that rushed this piece of work through more or less are acknowledging that it is a piece of trash as they didn't even have the guts to let it be read.

"A few days?" "Nobody read it?"

The sites I follow for political news are www.huffingtonpost.com... and www.dailykos.com...

They have been discussing it AND the various changes since before December. I have seen discussions and links to full text sections, discussions of what changes were proposed by which senators, etc, etc, etc.

Here's the December 1 announcement of the original $500 billion bill. Work was begun on it in the Bush administration (note this is Reuters) and said Nancy Pelosi was beginning to work with senators on this:
www.reuters.com...

The Republican National Chairman indicates that final work began on it immediately after Obama was elected
latimesblogs.latimes.com...

Factcheck.org had been linking to the details of the bill and answers a question on it here:
www.factcheck.org...

Pros and cons of it have been debated for over a month:
primebuzz.kcstar.com.../16886

The final version was put online over a week ago. It couldn't be put on earlier because the senators were fighting and compromising about it.
www.clipsandcomment.com...

A bill of this size isn't something that's written once and signed off. Someone starts it, a committee reviews it, details are argued and the committee takes comments (and the newspapers are all over the details), a full proposal is put forth by the committee, a formal bill is announced and put on the agenda (this is about where they were during January when Bush was in office). It's brought to Congress where congresscritters fight and wrangle over it (though by this time it is generally a "done deal". They strike wording, negotiate with each other for support, and then it gets done.

It was hardly a "sneak." My news sources were all over this -- and the general idea -- since early in 2008, when they were discussing whether veterans needed to have special treatment in any stimulus bill.

This is why I read Huffington and KOS... they ignore whatever it is that Brittney Spears is doing or whatever happened to whassisface on American Idol and Phelps hardly hit the radars. But they've been very up on every piece of legislation and who is voting which way.

You might consider changing the site where you read your political news.

I'm a liberal Democrat, so Huffington and KOS may not be to your tastes... sorry that I can't recommend conservative Republican sites that are of a similar nature but I'm sure some here can.

reply to post by Byrd


Thank you for that info! It is ironic they have us squabbling over this! No matter whos in charge, we always just get a few hundred in pay off money! We scream and holler about helping our own people for a hundred million, yet we give the bankers hundreds of BILLIONS with no accountability whatsoever. Hello!
We have no voice anymore anyway. If you're still supporting any of this, shame on you and too bad your grankids will have to suffer the bad times ahead. Nuf said.

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Originally posted by greeneyedleo
Ive said it before, I will say it again: WHO keeps voting these worthless people back into these positions?

The problem is there is no choice, the nominees of both parties are almost always corrupt scum in it for the power or money or they wouldn't be running and getting major party support.

Running a decent campaign takes millions, and sadly most people vote for a party or because of one ad full of lies that caught their attention. Nothing is going to change as long as people don't care enough to research the candidates thoroughly before voting and then hold them accountable when they don't live up to their promises.

The Media does a great job making people identify with a party and not the candidates. They make excuses for the party they are chosen to support and attack the other one constantly. It is literally brain washing those that listen/watch it on a regular basis to hate one party and love the other. The system is rigged perfectly to let the powerful elite get away with whatever they want.

As far as passing this bill, it's just common sense if you don't know what is in the bill the only logical thing to do if you actually care about those you represent is to vote No. Since the majority are not doing that, it is obvious they are working for someone besides their constituents.

Since this has now happened several times and there hasn't even been one large demonstration against this kind of action, it appears the only way the majority will get mad enough to pay attention is if they are literally starving and start looking for someone to blame.

When people get that angry, change will not come from the voting booth.

reply to post by disgustedbyhumanity


Spending is not the answer as you will soon see. What needs to be done is to cut out 2/3rds of the government waste, spending and needless programs by reducing the size of government like our forefathers intended. Reduce taxes from We The People's income drastically and permanently and this will put the money in the hands of the people who have the purchase power to buy goods and services. In this stimulus package $600.00 will be sent out by check and is a joke for the average tax payer and this comes to approx. $13.00 a week extra take home if you averaged that over a years time. Eliminate capital gains tax and death tax permanently to help stimulate the economy.

You see nothing wrong with spending all this money almost $800,000,000
dollars. Do you realize there is more stimulus projects in the works and how many more $Trillions$ of dollars will be spent and printed for pork projects before it stops? The fact is with this administration the spending will never stop because it is the intent to make our country more Socialistic with them controlling every aspect of your life and our forefathers would have never ever let that happen.

Back in 1920 The United States OF America had a depression and you know how they over came that depression? They cut the size and spending of the government and the very next year the economy was thriving again. I'll bet you did not learn that in your history books did you?

What happened back in 1929 initiated the start of the Great Depression. Now the government had the bright idea that they would increase spending and they did so over and over again by creating jobs and projects such as WPA. Guess what happened the Great Depression lasted 10 more years and was extended because of this lame brain thinking of spending your way out of the mess. This administration has not studied history because if they had they would not repeat the same mistakes that took place in the past that they are making today and tomorrow.


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reply to post by marg6043


We've Been in Debt to the Fed Res since 1913 when the Gov borrowed it's First Penny.......it's Impossible to to Payoff the original Obligation when they're the only source of legal tender and it's loaned at interest...Borrow a $1...it cost you $.06...now how you going to pay that $.06...you have to borrow from them again...can anyone say Ponzi/Loan Shark?


I just don't see how we'll ever come up with enough to cover this Bill.
We won't even be able to pay the interest on what we own now if you cut the taxes...taxes pay our interest...

Edit: Executive Pay Caps Disappear From Stimulus Bill
www.foxnews.com...

Anyone see that one Coming?

[edit on 2/14/2009 by Hx3_1963]

Originally posted by questioningall
reply to post by sad_eyed_lady

 

VERY VERY SAD DAY TODAY!!

My world was shattered with truth today!!

I don't have the words nor the rage anymore to say exactly what I think..... but I have posted many earlier - plus I think my signature says it all!

BTW: I LOVE THE AVATAR - AWESOME!!!!!!!

I am sorry gal,

Those that expect nothing are seldom disappointed.

reply to post by amari


Actually I Think The US Declared Bankruptcy back in the Late 20's, Earley 30's and was Incorporated, Making the US a Company, and, the States and Citizens it's "Property"?

The Bankruptcy of the United States
www.apfn.net...

Notice that Highlighted Section...Now Read through This Thread and notice the Financial Institutions Involved...

How worldwide economic collapse was averted
www.abovetopsecret.com...



[edit on 2/14/2009 by Hx3_1963]

In My Humble Opinion. The days of representative Government are nearing their end. They have run their course and the verdict is in. The Republic is a failure. It is out moded, out dated, and, it's time has come. If the only good models they have for a Republic are the US, Greece and Rome where the majority of the populations are foreigners and slaves, which are in no way adequaately represented, then, I say I declare War on the Republic. It is time for Democracy to rule. In this age of high technology, there is no excuse for not implimenting a one voice one vote system of governance where individuals unite to manage their own affairs while staying the hell out of others business in the process. I volunteer to help rewrite a new system of government so that when this one falls, and fall it will, we will be prepared. And when the overthrows start around the world, such as those in the UK which go unnoticed by the MSM, as though silence will make the bad men go away, I will fight on the side which supports the Constitution and Democracy, but, against all those who wish to keep the failure called a Republic.
That's my two cents. Even if I stand alone. At least I have drawn a line.

ok, I quit!!!!!! STOP THE WORLD I WANNA GET OFF NOW.....I'm gonna take my bat and ball and go home!!!!!!

Why are you upset? The government, in conjunction with the Fed, makes money and gives it value. Give to Caesar what is Caesar's. Besides, the Republicans would have done the same thing because the only true fiscal conservatives left politics a long time ago or are too unknown to get anywhere. Now we must all pay homage to Chairman Obama rather than King George.

Some of the acts they are doing now would be concidered
Treason!

It is rather interesting that ACORN is getting a butt load of money......ACORN? The same ACORN that has been acused of voter fraud in support of Obama? Yup, it's payback time...... Why should they get anything? What could that possilby do to help our economy. How much money is he giving to Catipillar and the CEO still says it won't save any jobs and they will most likely be laying even more people off, this coming moments after Obama told the press the money would help save the 22,000 jobs.....Oh don't forget the good little socialist unions that backed him, they are getting quite a bit aswell.

Oh, this might give us some false hope for a couple of years before we completely crash. Obama, the accidental president. What a joke.

Looks like the bill is only 258 pages, and only half the page is occupied with text. It is wide margin, and simplified by dividing into sections applying to various offices of government -- like the Cabinet.

You could probably read it in an afternoon.

However, if you don't read it as a responsible American, I wouldn't throw the first stone at a Congressman that represents you.

Kinda like being upset with politicians and the political arena of operations, yet not going to the polls to vote.

Ballots or bullets, man. Ballots or bullets. You prevent a revolution by voting. If you don't vote, what you do speaks so loud I can't hear what you say.

Originally posted by Sheeper
It is rather interesting that ACORN is getting a butt load of money......

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mmmm Byrd, a Super Moderator POSTED A LINK that has information in regards to this. You are incorrect in your assumptions. I have not seen anywhere in the bill that will give ACORN any monies. Acorn will, along with hundreds of other groups, be able to COMPETE, for monies.

Does the stimulus bill include a $5.2 billion payoff for ACORN? I would appreciate having FactCheck.org look into whether ACORN will receive $5.23 billion from the Obama stimulus package under the guise of “stabilizing neighborhoods.” I have been bombarded by e-mails from an acquaintance about this. What can you find about this? Thank you.

The bill does include funds for which ACORN would be eligible to compete - against hundreds of other groups. But most is for a housing rehabilitation program ACORN says it never applied for in the past and won't in the future. For the past two weeks, Republicans have been raising a new charge against a familiar enemy, claiming that the Democrats' stimulus bill includes as much as $5.2 billion in "goodies" for the Association of Community Organization for Reform Now (ACORN). Last fall, Republicans accused ACORN of "massive voter fraud," a claim which we said was exaggerated. The group has since become a favorite target of Republicans, so it understandably raises a few hackles when House Republican leader John Boehner's Web site proclaims that the bill provides "a taxpayer-funded bonanza" for ACORN. And Republican Sen. David Vitter goes even further, telling Newsmax TV that the provisions amount to "a political payoff." Also, the National Republican Trust PAC has taken up the issue in fundraising pitches. But these claims are wildly exaggerated and rely upon faulty logic.

the key words here are "eligible" and "compete." Competition would likely be stiff. In 2008, NSP's first year, states handed out funds to a total of 308 grantees. The NSP rules would require ACORN to show that it would spend the money to renovate and resell foreclosed homes more efficiently than other applicants.

Follow the link and READ the information.
www.factcheck.org...

Peace

reply to post by Jim Scott


Maybe voting matters in Switzerland.
This is how it's done in America!

With music and eye candy:
www.youtube.com...
Without:
www.youtube.com...



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