Are conspiracies even true?

If all of the conspiracies are true and the government has all these secrets than why would they allow this info to leak out of their control like this website? I have nothing against ATS but you have to consider the fact that if these secrets need to be kept under wraps for the sake of national security then why is this website in existance. Wouldn't the 'NSA' or other various organizations do what ever they have to do such as hack this site into nonexistance or even kill if necassery. Many people I've spoken to say this cannot be done because it would reveal the true even more but what if the mask it or even destroy anybody ever to come to this site and other like it. Others say that its a matter of freedom of speech but hey if you were the switch between total mayhem and peace wouldn't you say to hell with freedoms aswell? Here are a few points that should be considered along with what I said before:

Anybody in the past who has known to much (which we obviously do) has been assassinated so why not us.

The government smart enough to know that it should recruit members to these 'secret organizations' that they are absolutely sure isn't a mistake in their plans.

If these 'spy tools' are used in all aspects of the government then why not use them to kill these leaks before they give out classified information.

This is not meant to offend anyone or even go against this great site just to answer questions that are left unanwered.

[Edited on 14-4-2004 by flap_jack_man]

Where would the fun be if they were true? What would the majority of ATS members talk about?

If our government didn't hide anything, would we still wonder if they were hiding something?

Have you considered the possibility that some of the conspiracy theories, even the craziest ones, are created by the very agencies and agendas they refer to? An effective way of hiding the truth is to blanket it in layers of fictional untruths, or half-truths. The most ludicrous, outrageous, unreasonable and bizarre conspiracies, which are often so sensational they attract the greatest atttention, might cause people to reject the consideration of conspiracies altogether.

negative points

thats funny

The biggest conspiracy could be that there actually is no conspiracy.

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Things leak because it is impossible to keep a conspiracy totally secret. Somewhere in the ring of conspirers, someone will figure out that the benefit to themselves or to the public exceeds the personal benefit from maintaining the conspiracy. That's why you have whistleblowers. Laws that protect these people reduce the costs of whistleblowing. Typically the costs are getting "whacked". Remove that cost, and you have more defectors from the conspiracy game.

Websites like ATSNN exist as a popular means of exchanging information. Free speech implies a free exchange of ideas, which is not possible, say, on the editorial page of your local newspaper. Papers have editors who select comments that move copy.

Have you considered the possibility that some of the conspiracy theories, even the craziest ones, are created by the very agencies and agendas they refer to? An effective way of hiding the truth is to blanket it in layers of fictional untruths, or half-truths. The most ludicrous, outrageous, unreasonable and bizarre conspiracies, which are often so sensational they attract the greatest atttention, might cause people to reject the consideration of conspiracies altogether.

Famed conspiracy theorist Bill Cooper accused Art Bell of doing just that. Art Bell used to have some very great guests who were on to something, but then it'd be sandwiched between alien spacecats and some hilbilly calling about that thing he sees when he'as drunk. So yeah, flooding the net with misinfo is a great way of "guilt by association". You say that they government has secret technologies in area 51, and suddenly you're lumped in with alien spacecats. Ats, if anything, suffers from a mild form of "topic creep" where there are so many topics that it can be hard to separate fact from conspiracy. On one hand, it aspires to be a bonafideTerror news site, while on the other it has a lot of topics that would turn off the average Joe who has no clue.

If all of the conspiracies are true and the government has all these secrets than why would they allow this info to leak out of their control like this website?

In Canada, CSIS (Canadian Intel) actually set up websites like this to gather IP addresses on conspiracy types. It's called "baiting". Set out the syrup and watch the wasps come out. Think about this for a minute: Why is the media going nuts about the Skull & Bones stuff? Is it because they are starting to wake up, or do they want to make people so sick of S & B that they don't want to hear about Bohemia Grove?

Anybody in the past who has known to much (which we obviously do) has been assassinated so why not us.

Those who have been "incidented" include: Gunther Russbacher, Bill Cooper, Jim Hatfield, Robert O'Driscoll, Danny Cassolaro.

Those who are being "incidented" would include Lenny Bloom of Cloakanddagger.ca, Eric Phelps of Vaticanassassins.org, Al Gore's Secretary, Leo Wanta , Howard Stern and maybe even Fritz Springmeier.

cloakanddagger.ca was giving away too many state secrets and it was crushed. This website will take you down his rabbit hole. forum.c0balt.com...

Atsnn doesn't get too political and forum moderators bury the goods in the political mud-pit. That's where the good stuff winds up.