How hard to find SSBN

holy crap that means the l-98 can do it as well ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh omg omg
i really dont feel safe anymore in the cadets

"AS far AS I can see if you don't have a advanced towed array with multi CZ detection and a hugh ASW helo like a EH-101 with an advanced low frequency dipping sonar, your surface fleets are going to be to vulnerable to serious coastal SSK threats."

The royal navy have both!

www.royal-navy.mod.uk...

Type 23 frigates have SONAR 2087, which is an advancement of the Norwegian version!

www.royal-navy.mod.uk...

"The Merlin HM Mk 1 is a replacement for the anti-submarine Sea King HAS Mk6. It is the first Royal Naval derivative of the EH101 helicopter"

Torpedo defence:

"The Sonar 2087 suite will be designed to integrate with the existing T23 Sonar 2050 bow mounted sonar, the future Surface Ship Torpedo Defence system and the T23 Command System (DNA(1)) via a Combat System Highway.

the e10 sea hawk ? doesnt that sink?
the sea king was better than it!

Brende, thanks you for offering your mind to the discussion

1 question for ya - how close do you allow other ships and subs get to you before you move away?

As for the SA80 being really powerful - all rifles are dependent on their ammo, and thus it is equally as powerfull as every other NATO rifle

Originally posted by ppp
The royal navy have both!

www.royal-navy.mod.uk...

Type 23 frigates have SONAR 2087, which is an advancement of the Norwegian version!

www.royal-navy.mod.uk...

"The Merlin HM Mk 1 is a replacement for the anti-submarine Sea King HAS Mk6. It is the first Royal Naval derivative of the EH101 helicopter"

Yes type 23 is great, one of the best ASW frigates in the world. But the planned replacement is one of these littoral combat ships!

"Yes type 23 is great, one of the best ASW frigates in the world. But the planned replacement is one of these littoral combat ships!"

eh...no.

Your confused with the US Navy. The US Navy is replacing their frigates with littoral combat ships. The Royal Navy is replacing the Type 23 Frigates with cruisers.

Originally posted by ppp
"Yes type 23 is great, one of the best ASW frigates in the world. But the planned replacement is one of these littoral combat ships!"

eh...no.

Your confused with the US Navy. The US Navy is replacing their frigates with littoral combat ships. The Royal Navy is replacing the Type 23 Frigates with cruisers.

Which means at that point they will have no dedicated ASW escort.

Cruisers fulfil all roles.

When these enter service, the new 65,000 ton supercarriers will also enter service. This will mean they will have a more substantial battle group than the current ones, including the new Astute class ssn. They will also have more ASW helo's.

Battle groups vary according where they are going, so for playing soldiers with Norway the navy would a couple of frigates/destroyers, but if it was going to launch attacks on Japan it would take large ammounts of surface ships and submarines.

Originally posted by ppp
Cruisers fulfil all roles.

When these enter service, the new 65,000 ton supercarriers will also enter service. This will mean they will have a more substantial battle group than the current ones, including the new Astute class ssn. They will also have more ASW helo's.

They only will have half a dozen SSNs, of which only 1/3 will be deployable? Troop ships are far more important than cruisers.
ASW mission is a dedicated mission...you need to train it all the time. With miltipurpose crusiers you will have jackofall trades and master of none ships.

Battle groups vary according where they are going, so for playing soldiers with Norway the navy would a couple of frigates/destroyers, but if it was going to launch attacks on Japan it would take large ammounts of surface ships and submarines.

I don't think so, from what I read the CVF are being delayed and the Typhoon is way over budget and then there's the Stealth fighter. With new light AFVs for the troops, where is the money for expensive cruiser is going to come from ? They can't even make ends meet as it is.

[Edited on 18-4-2004 by psteel]

Originally posted by psteel

Originally posted by ppp
Cruisers fulfil all roles.

When these enter service, the new 65,000 ton supercarriers will also enter service. This will mean they will have a more substantial battle group than the current ones, including the new Astute class ssn. They will also have more ASW helo's.

They only will have half a dozen SSNs, of which only 1/3 will be deployable? Troop ships are far more important than cruisers.
ASW mission is a dedicated mission...you need to train it all the time. With miltipurpose crusiers you will have jackofall trades and master of none ships.

Battle groups vary according where they are going, so for playing soldiers with Norway the navy would a couple of frigates/destroyers, but if it was going to launch attacks on Japan it would take large ammounts of surface ships and submarines.

I don't think so, from what I read the CVF are being delayed and the Typhoon is way over budget and then there's the Stealth fighter. With new light AFVs for the troops, where is the money for expensive cruiser is going to come from ? They can't even make ends meet as it is.

[Edited on 18-4-2004 by psteel]

Lack of money to the MOD again. I think it is very sad. Britannia used to rule the waves. Maybe the MOD could be a bit more careful about spending and not waste as much if possible

mabye if the government decided not to spend money on transport and on somehting that will help us
also the SA80 is powerful cause of the desgin and stuff
seriosly i heard that the EH10 sinks cause it has no bouyancy is this true or am i being bulled
the type 23 frigates are deadly those things are packed wi weapons there a sscary thing but oldish
still nothing can replace the lynx (fastest helicopter in the wolrd )

Sorry man, but the SA80 is no more powerfull then the round it fires - which is the same as the M16A2 and just about every other NATO rifle.

the y can u not use it in room clearances ?

Originally posted by devilwasp
the y can u not use it in room clearances ?

I couldn't tell you - I am not involved with the MOD or who ever makes your rules. I can tell you that the only thing that the rifle can influence is the accuracy of the weapon via the corked grooves running down the barrel. The cartridge used dictates how powerfull a rifle is, and since I asume that the SA80 uses .223, it would have the same power as an AR-15/M16A2 and any other rifle that fires the same ammo.

well i thought they couldnt use em in rooom clearances because it nearly went through the walls so it wouldnt be soo good as u could kill half ur team
still i like the SA80 for the feel if nothing else
but i like the heckler and koch mp5 and pow really nice

Originally posted by COOL HAND

Originally posted by devilwasp
i thought that subs had thier sonar all around the boat

No, it has a blind spot towards the rear of the boat called the baffles.

That is why you do a baffle clearing manuever every now and then. To make sure no one is behind you.

Did you ever see "The Hunt for Red October?" They refer to the manuever as a Krazy Ivan.

Clearing the baffles relates to passive sonar not active sonar (pinging), also the US has negated this 'blind spot' with the use of towed sonar arrays

towed sonar arrays cant be used with out going at a slow speed its like dragging a bucket behind you in a boat creates drag.
also those towed sonar arrays have been out for ages and there is a system to counter that, foam around the hulls or so i am informed.
besides with a good crew there near high imposible to find.

Is there any device that can be towed behind a submarine that will act as a decoy?

Originally posted by devilwasp
well i thought they couldnt use em in rooom clearances because it nearly went through the walls so it wouldnt be soo good as u could kill half ur team
still i like the SA80 for the feel if nothing else
but i like the heckler and koch mp5 and pow really nice

But if you can shoot through the wall, you can clear the room before entering, thus eliminating the danger you would have had to face.Standard house clearance procedure involves clearing thenfirst room, then shooting through the ceiling to get the enemies in the room above before you have to enter it. You also shoot through doors before opening them. If you know the building is occupied by the enemy only, fine, if its a hostage situation, or there are teams in close proximity, probably not quite such a great thing.

Thought I might share this link. Interesting article on the kursk!!

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