why did they disappear???

I know this might have been discussed, but I was wondering..

What do all of you think happened to the ancient civilizations??? I mean, they were all on a techno ROLL, but then they just dissapeared.

Like the egyptions, they had these LIGHT BULBS! im serious. They were chemical lanterns that could burn for days. (im not sure, so correct me if im wrong.)

But anyhow, WHAT HAPPENED?????

Why did the Mayans and the Egyptians, and the other civilizations disappeared..

It makes you wonder.

I dont even have much of a theorie, besides maybe the fact that they migrated somewhere...

The biggest thing that took out the Aztecs, Mayas, Incas etc? Disease brought over by the spanish.
It also helped that all 3 had the same legend of a white man coming across the seas......
I am sure Byrd can give you much better info than I can ..it's been a while since I refreshed my memory regarding the lost/vanished civilizations....

Originally posted by Catfish
What do all of you think happened to the ancient civilizations??? I mean, they were all on a techno ROLL, but then they just dissapeared.

If you go back to your history text books, you'll see that many never vanished but they just changed rulers and leadership forms (ancient England through modern times). Some were conquered by other civilizations (Mayans by Spaniards). Egypt had a series of bad and weak rulers and became a Roman province (superior Roman technology beat them.)

Like the egyptions, they had these LIGHT BULBS! im serious. They were chemical lanterns that could burn for days. (im not sure, so correct me if im wrong.)

They didn't have lightbulbs. The only "chemical lanterns" they had were oil lamps, just like you can buy (or make) today. Every civilization that I can think of had them.

Why did the Mayans and the Egyptians, and the other civilizations disappeared.. It makes you wonder.

I dont even have much of a theorie, besides maybe the fact that they migrated somewhere...

I think that if you'll just take the trouble to go to the library and look them up in the encyclopedias or to your school textbooks -- or if that's too inconvenient, go to Wikipedia : en.wikipedia.org... then you'll have the basic information about your question.

Though I agree with Byrd's statement based on a change in leadership has a lot to do with the stagnation that leads to the death of several ancient civilizations, I strongly believe that the older civilizations died out from wars and conflicts.

the war of the heavens spoken of in religious texts is really the war that I call "The great terran war" and has claimed the civilizations of Atlantis and Lemuria, and resulted in the premature desertification of the Sahara and Gobi areas.

Stagnation can lead to decline, the roles of leadership or religion has a major impact, disease, and in talking about the ancient sites like Egyptians or Mayans, you might have to include the rising powers of neighboring states, or even the surrounding ecology.

Then again, if you are lucky enough to see the Aliens versus Predator 'making of' story board, you'll note that the director states that many ancient sites, for example Mayan, were built by the gods (in this case, Predators), who used the areas to test the teens... if they were failing the test, they activated their self-destruct, annihilating the area. Thus, ancient site, no people.

But I think the first paragraph sums it up rather nicely.

What about Mohenjo-Daro and the Harrapan civilizations of the Indus valley?Scienists have found some of the most radioactive skeletons to date there (right up there with victims found at Hiroshima and Nagasaki after the U.S. dropped that one bomb on them).People found in the middle of the street holding hand and praying as if some terrible disaster had befallen them, but virtually vitrified together.The Hindu texts the Ramayana say some things that have happened similair to what may have happened "...and with a single projectile fueled with all of the power of the universe...wiped out the entire race of the Vishnu...and crops would not grow there and anyone who came into that area died..".Hindu texts may contain some of the answers to the TRUE human past.THe concept of DHARMA, or what we call atoms, is something that Hindu religions talk about, along with other things like ancient sciences and flight (VIMANA, AVYMINAD ASHASTRA) and things like how to control your body completely!So if they knew about atoms, why would they not be able to split them.

Originally posted by jhova
Scienists have found some of the most radioactive skeletons to date there.

The Predators story line!

But seriously, I do know about those stories... have a couple threads with them mentioned (with links to the actual texts)...

Okay... most civilizations we can see a gradual decline... then there are those, like the Indus Valley, that we don't know anything about.

I am as serious as you can get!!Check out some of the people that have been to those places when the discoveries were made, and see what they have to say about the subjects before you make preconcieved notions!!

[Edited on 14-4-2004 by jhova]

Many ancient civilisations were victims of their own sucess. Their intensive farming and advanced irrigation allowed far too many people to live in compact areas. When there was a bad harvest, flooding or diease there was nothing to fall back on and so people abanonded the settlements. For example the Sumerians abandoned their cities because the Tigris and Euphates rivers changed their courses and they had to keep updating their irrigation systems. Eventually it let to their end.

We really love eating up the crap about how civilizations "destroy" themselves, or run out of resources or some lame crap like that that rarely happened in anytime rcent. I could say those things just from the watered down stuff they teach us in school. We need to do our OWN INDIVIDUAL research, and see what happens!!

The mayans were in a civil war. But it isnt why they went out. During the civil war there was the biggest drought in a century. Now the mayans thought the rain god was mad so they slaughtered livestock, people, and children for the god. Eventually the peasents had to abandon the city because of war, sacrifice and starvation.

My knowledge comes from studying Archaeology through books and reports from archaeologists.

Do our own indiviual research? Isn't that what reading is, or do you think we should all try and dig up the civilisations ourselves.

You make no evidence to contary of the self destruction theory. Shouting 'schools water downed crap' doesn't mean your right.

The reason why there are no current examples is because a) we trade on a giantic scale and so running out of local resources (i.e. fertiliser) isn't likely. And b) it hasn't happened yet but its on the way, the world is running out of energy rources, why do think that all countries are increasing their use of renewable energy sources.

[Edited on 18-4-2004 by mrsteve]

What is this crap about "proof" and "evidence"?There are scientists who know about these things that I speak of, it's not mainstream.You speak of things that are mainstream.What mainstream is is that the info goes to a government think tank before it is even presented to the public.Archeaology is VERY political, and any new age archaeologist will tell you this!You must really be naive to think that all of the "evidence" is really put forth in books, especially school books.Are you talking about the same government who tested diseases on people, put AIDS into the third world countries, and ANY scientist or biologists will tell you that AIDS is manufactured, put crack coc aine into the ghettos to kill African American families, no to mention the oh so famous killing of almost all of the Native Americans in the colonization of this country.But you are right though, they are being totally honest with us!Even though they never have been since day one, so why would it change now?Oh, I read too you little smart a$$, and I've read on the types of things found at Mohenjo-daro and such, YOU need to do your own research outside of the "real researchers" and get some alternate theoories, because anamolies are real, and there are many of them. But keep on believing what you want to, you and your scientists know everything!!

[Edited on 19-4-2004 by jhova]

Firstly Archaeology is not a science. Its entirely down to interpretation of evidence and what happens to be found.

Secondarly I have not once mentioned that I get my research from school books, you seem to have some fixation on schools.

Thirdly, I am well aware of the evidence which points to the creation of AIDs by the CIA and other just disgracful acts of the governments around the world. I am also well aware of Thinktanks (look at my signature).

Fourthly, you must be very naieve if you believe everything theory about conspiracy that you read.

And lastly, you STILL have not given any evidence against the 'self destruction' THEORY. You have again simply condemed the THEORY as a load of rubbish and made a load of unsubstainated assertions about other conspiracies.

Try again.

Additional. Why are you getting so worked up about this? This is a debate forum. Why are you getting some angry and calling me a Smart A$$ etc when you know nothing about me.

[Edited on 19-4-2004 by mrsteve]

Well done young froto!You just said it!Archaeology is merely down to interpretation.So why do you get your nutts in a twist when I question it?Who are you to question me first of all (since you want to do firsts, sec, third routine on me like a 4th grader, and yeah I thought that was cute!).Secondly If you know of the think tanks, why would you turn back around and say, but I believe them though?That makes sense!Thirdly, if you know our government is, has been deliberately killing people (which is the worst thing you could do, but no they wouldn't hide secrets like this though...BUT they kill people at will...BUT they wouldn't hide stuff about archaeo-digs though right...YEAH, that makes sense...They can kill people at will under OUR own noses, but they are not capable of covering simple archaeological data...They only control everything..Is it starting to make sense now?). Fourthly, I never said your theory was rubbish!And of course I made assertations about conspiracies that are unsubstantiated,if they known about they wouldn't be conspiracies...How do you think they work!And finally, I thought you were getting tough, so I called you a smart a$$.No disrespect, but i thought you were trying to disrespect me.Let's just keep it on the subject at hand from hither!

The first case of AIDS was 1979 in New York, not Africa.

I know a few "scientists" and experts in the field of autoimmune testing. I do not believe it was manufactured.

Archaeology IS an interpretation of evidence. That is why we believed for so long that all dinosaurs were slow, stupid, and gray.

And the name of the character is "Frodo"...but good try.

hey man Jhova. I was never trying to be aggressive towards you, I just taking part in a discussion. I have put across one of the theories about the disaperance of ancient civs. with some evidence. (yes evidence which could be untrustworthy but so can all evidence) I don't understand why you decended to petty name calling.

I do accept that the government may lie about archaeology (and many other topics) but to assume everything in the mainstream is a lie is simply ridiculus.

The whole point of conspiracy theories is that they aren't just made up spontaneously with NO evidence. We know about conspiracy theories because the conspiritors leave trails of evidence.

My use of the the 1, 2, 3 etc was simply a way of addressing each of the points you made. It was not meant to be patronising.

[Edited on 19-4-2004 by mrsteve]

First of all, 90% of ALL AIDS victims in the world are in Africa, so don't try that crap!Get it right!And your "scientists" don't know crap either.Do some real research!To accept one theory without considering all theories first, is simply dumb!And I never said that ALL of science is not trustworthy, but the in control people have a hidden agenda, and the crap that they are spitting out is SOMETIMES garbage, and I don't care who says what!And you still haven't dealt with the issue at hand, the government lies, so why wouldn't they lie about this?What the hell is the difference!? And who gives a rat's a$$ on how to spell "Frodo" anyway!?

[Edited on 19-4-2004 by jhova]

[Edited on 19-4-2004 by jhova]

Originally posted by Catfish
I know this might have been discussed, but I was wondering..

What do all of you think happened to the ancient civilizations??? I mean, they were all on a techno ROLL, but then they just dissapeared.

Like the egyptions, they had these LIGHT BULBS! im serious. They were chemical lanterns that could burn for days. (im not sure, so correct me if im wrong.)

But anyhow, WHAT HAPPENED?????

Why did the Mayans and the Egyptians, and the other civilizations disappeared..

It makes you wonder.

I dont even have much of a theorie, besides maybe the fact that they migrated somewhere...

Well the Egyptians got killed after the fall of Romans, they wre invaded by the Persians. All kinds of different civilizations led to downfall after the Roman Empire ended. The Myans abbondoned their cities for an unknown reason, and they were in wars with the Aztecs and the Conqusadors or Spaniards.

[Edited on 19-4-2004 by AD5673]

I think its clear from this guys posts that he is not going to listen to anyone elses view point.

He keeps blirting out the most unsubstainated things in a clumsey way.

He doesn't seem to be able to comprehend the possibility that everything isn't lies and that only through careful research (opposed to blindly crying "its all lies" and insulting anyone who points out the flaws in his arguments.) can the lies that governments make be brought into the spotlight of truth.

I for one will stop debating with him because he is idea of a debate is definatly ideosyncratic.