Spirituality and physics

Hello ,

I often think about if we can paranormal things explain with our natural laws. Maby often with physics. One subject is for me sure the fact that a normal human only use 10% of the brain. So what is when we use more than the 10%, what could we do with the other part of our brain? Can we do astral lever travelling and this things with it? When we do this things, use we more than 10%?

What is your opinion.

Jeanne

The brain is a compleat biological system, intergrated with many parts. You really need to look into that saying about the whole 10% thing. It's been pretty much debunked since the first utterance. Just read about the brain as an intergrated system. If the 10% logic would be real, you would be able to removed the other 90% or at least a huge chunk. A good book about the brain that i think would be up your alley, is Zen and the Brain. It is pretty heady at parts but it does a good job of explaining things and it has the whole mystical side to it. It goes on it describe the different parts of the brain and the effects of have lesions on certain parts, ect. It also, has a good bit about drug states and how they differ in the brain from enlightenment type experience. I think it sums sum the 10% thing in a a better way. It's not that you only use 10% it is that the pathways in the brain are structured a certain way, due to evolution and early developmental reason, that make it not function in an optimum way. It also goes into the different theories of how to try to rewire it in a more efficient way. But they are just theories and well who knows if any work, besides the tired and true zazen meditation. Anyways, it's a good read and i suggest it.

-not

Well, the 10% thing maybe debunked by some. Read the stories below .



www.foxnews.com...

www.ial.goldthread.com...

So, reality debunked opinion in this case.

The point is that she is still using the entire thing. She has all of the lobes in both hemispheres. It's like a brain in miniture, it's still a highly intergrated system that needs the whole thing to function properly.

Yeah, and he can function relatively normally with only 15% of the nominal mass. So the measurement may be a little off, or better yet, the functioning of the brain may be something wholy different than poeple think.

I seem to remember a experiment where scientists teach a mouse to run through a maze, take out his brain and scrambles it (in a friggin' mixer) and put the mush back. They walk funny but still remember the way. I just have to look up the source (a book) to find a link i can post here.

Point is in this case that the brain me not be the hard-disk control centre of the body but the transmitter/reciever. A Quantum mind

Anyway, i think everything can be explained by science at some time or another, people just need a change of paradigm in there, mixing the right brain with the left brain and let that work it all out.

Yeah, I'd like to see the source if you can find it. It seems pretty wild to me that you can destroy brain tissue (blending it) and re-insert it and it still function. I didn't even know that a brain could be reattached to the spinal cord. But I am far from an expert in anyway whatsoever. And now that i think about it I think that i remember something about people doing this to a mouse but removing peices and not putting them back. Of course it did have severe effects and when part that regulate breathing ect. they of course died. But they did follow the path correctly for a while.

-not

Originally posted by Jeanne2006
Hello ,

I often think about if we can paranormal things explain with our natural laws. Maby often with physics. One subject is for me sure the fact that a normal human only use 10% of the brain. So what is when we use more than the 10%, what could we do with the other part of our brain? Can we do astral lever travelling and this things with it? When we do this things, use we more than 10%?

What is your opinion.

Jeanne

It´s total crap to say humans do use only 10% of their brain because it´s simply NOT TRUE! Ask any doctor who is specialized in brain research and he will tell so. It´s a fact that ALL regions / parts of the brain are being used.

Try to see it like this: our brainmass is both, a receiver and a sender! Our brains react on certain kind on Energy which is responsible for the Delta waves etc. that the brain produces.

I thought long ago that the fairytale about the 10% was true but it was spread by a fanatic (isnt Tom Cruise part of this Church?) just to gain people to buy his books and follow his ideas.

I also get the feeling that the brain's power is much more influential upon the tangible universe than most give it credit for. .

Maybe in years to come, science will be able to exemplify this..??
Paranormal may be unexplained at the present, but in decades from now, these phenomena could be very much apart of established science.

Originally posted by Jeanne2006
Hello ,

I often think about if we can paranormal things explain with our natural laws. Maby often with physics. One subject is for me sure the fact that a normal human only use 10% of the brain. So what is when we use more than the 10%, what could we do with the other part of our brain? Can we do astral lever travelling and this things with it? When we do this things, use we more than 10%?

What is your opinion.

Jeanne

I have thought this a long time myself. While I was still a christian I would just keep my mouth shut because the answer would always go back to "Satan" and I didn't feel like being ridiculed, so I never much tried to think out of the box till recently.

I feel we only understand a very very small part of how nature works, kind of like a blade of grass on a football field. There is so much we don't know yet. I have felt all the "supernatural" "demonic" things have a scientific explanation but since we don't understand that yet it was easy to pass it off as "Satan".

I have just finished reading "The HeartMath Solution" by Doc Childre and "The Biology of Belief" by Bruce Lipton. With just the little info presented there, I can see there is so much more to us than we really know. I get the feeling we have been purposely lead down a path to keep us from this realization. I really wished I had this info about 35 years ago.

As science starts to realize they need to look at more than just the physical side of things (and also forgetting about the $$$$$) answers to paranormal stuff may eventually come..............but until then......

reply to post by Harman

Brain scans have clearly shown that we use all of their brains, not just part of them, in the normal processes of life. The ten-percent thing is just wrong.

Harman, it's true that some people seem to live nearly normal lives on very little brain. This does not imply that normal people don't use all their brains, only that the power of the brain is based on more subtle factors than mere bulk.

From your source:

The condition is called Dandy Walker complex and... occurs in one out of every 25,000 live births.

So it's hardly unheard of.

The person described in the article had a measured IQ of 75. That's on the borderline of normal mental functioning, so clearly he wasn't unaffected by his condition.

Anyway, Dandy Walker complex, microcephaly and all the rest tell us nothing about how much of their brains normal people use.

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In response to the OP: There is no support for 'spiritual' ideas from physics or any other science. Spirituality, to paraphrase an old beer slogan, refreshes the parts rationality cannot reach. It is irrational by definition, and therefore forever beyond the pale of science - that is why it keeps retreating as science advances.


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Nothing spiritual, unless of course we live in a non-local, holographic universe wherein all is one and a manifestation of the same source. Science is catching up with the ancient wisdom. These sceptics will be proven wrong, and all but have been already. Turns out that all indication is that we live in an explicately rendered, consciousness generated reality, which continually arises like an eternal wellspring from an implicate order, and that indeed it the whole kit and caboodle is of a non-local, holographic nature, with the human being a representation of the apex of a cosmic evolutionary process. No, modern science is very metaphysical and therefore spiritual, and there are many proofs and experiments, even simply thought experiments which show that quantum effects have macroscopic implications. Some people are merely afraid of the implications regarding a "mind of God" and that of a higher order which IS of a spiritual nature. Do not listen to newtonion materialist monists, not in this day and age. That worldview is toast. Dead in the water.

For what it's worth:

Originally posted by OmegaPoint
Nothing spiritual, unless of course we live in a non-local, holographic universe wherein all is one and a manifestation of the same source.

What do you mean by spirituality? What is a spiritual phenomenon? Can you give some examples? If you can explain what you mean by these things, we may be able to work out whether nonlocal physical effects like quantum entanglement and mathematical concepts like that of the universe as holographic projection (not hologram) genuinely explain or provide support for them. Magical principles like sympathy of correspondence and 'as above, so below' aren't rigorous enough to be of much use in a scientific examination. All human concepts are bound to show correspondence, because they are conceived by human brains.

Science is catching up with the ancient wisdom.

All this means is that the same schema are repeated in both. Inevitable, since both are human creations. But the writers of the Bhagavad-gita did not have access to particle accelerators and computers. They could only guess; we can observe and quantify. It makes all the difference.

These sceptics will be proven wrong, and all but have been already.

Well, no. This is a wilful misinterpretation of what science is telling us. Yes, the world is mysteriously constructed. Yes, the laws of physics sometimes appear to confound one another. Given the complexity of the universe and the relatively recent development of the physical sciences, this is only to be expected; the very contradictoriness and contrariness of life predict it! Yet none of this necessarily indicates that

we live in an explicately rendered, consciousness generated reality, which continually arises like an eternal wellspring from an implicate order...

It merely shows that human brains have schematic limits and all our understanding must be defined within them.

Modern science is very metaphysical...

No, modern science is very physcial. We call physics 'physical science' for a reason. Quantum phenomena notwithstanding, nothing in physics demands a role for consciousness as a nonphysical entity, neither does it call for a creator.

Perhaps you did not see what I was getting at towards the end of my earlier post, when I said that spirituality 'is irrational by definition, and therefore forever beyond the pale of science - that is why it keeps retreating as science advances.' The ambit of science is what can be known, and anything within its frontiers is understood and can usually be manipulated. The metaphysical, by definition, lies beyond these limits. As science advances, it tends to replace metaphysical concepts with physical ones: for example, the motion of planets is no longer thought to be derived from 'animating spirits' but from a physical force called gravity that has neither will nor consciousness. In this way, the set of phenomena that can be explained through physics grows at the expense of the set of phenomena for which only a 'spiritual' or 'metaphysical' explanation can be adduced. Spirituality, like God, is a denizen of gaps.

Do not listen to newtonion materialist monists, not in this day and age. That worldview is toast. Dead in the water.

You should at least get your terminology right. Monism is the very opposite of materialism. Newton was neither a monist (that was his old enemy Liebniz) nor a materialist. The worldview you are speaking of is generally referred to as scientific materialism or naturalism. I will leave it to readers of this thread to decide for themselves whether or not it is dead in the water.

To weigh in on the 10% idea, I think its a bit of bunk in terms of mass, but it is the place a lot of people start when trying to explore concepts beyond their everyday world. So I suppose its bunk that has developed a purpose. It speaks to potential, and that's what gets people interested.

Though how can anyone quantify the amount of 'brain power' the average human uses unless the observer is certain of its own 100% functioning capacity?

Now the real reason I posted was because I'm finding some of the information put forth here to be absolutely fascinating. Most especially the mice with milkshakes for brains. Utterly gruesome, but fascinating.