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Your Bullets Are Useless
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I don't think any of that was directed at me, but just in case...
I only stated that I haven't heard anything, not that it isn't possible; nor do I not beleive it could be done.
I only stated that I haven't heard anything, not that it isn't possible; nor do I not beleive it could be done.
I am aware of the device that the OP is refering to, I have read the patent application for it. A patent was issued to the D.O.D. for the device in
2007.
Its not microwaves, It is a charged particle beam, likely protons.
The patent application also states it as being both a space based and or ground based system, capable of destroying satellites and detecting and destroying explosives.
It will cause explosives to be detonated, even if buried several feet in the ground, from orbit.
What i got from the patent app. is that the space based system is allready deployed, possibly since 2003-04.
Anyone remember the "dynamite" explosion in North Korea in 04?.
Around that time nasa launched the largest single payload weve ever put into orbit.
The payload was also so secret that even the members of the senate itel. commitee were not apprised as to its true nature, just the cost.
I found this info from a search of DARPA budget expenditures for 2007, I wish I still had the links for it, there were some very interesting things in the report.
Like a single source light system for the military.
Instead of having multiple individual lights on a vehicle or aircraft, you have a single light source then the light is plumbed to the projector which gives it the proper frequncy and wavelength for the color and intensity of light needed. Fascinating stuff
Its not microwaves, It is a charged particle beam, likely protons.
The patent application also states it as being both a space based and or ground based system, capable of destroying satellites and detecting and destroying explosives.
It will cause explosives to be detonated, even if buried several feet in the ground, from orbit.
What i got from the patent app. is that the space based system is allready deployed, possibly since 2003-04.
Anyone remember the "dynamite" explosion in North Korea in 04?.
Around that time nasa launched the largest single payload weve ever put into orbit.
The payload was also so secret that even the members of the senate itel. commitee were not apprised as to its true nature, just the cost.
I found this info from a search of DARPA budget expenditures for 2007, I wish I still had the links for it, there were some very interesting things in the report.
Like a single source light system for the military.
Instead of having multiple individual lights on a vehicle or aircraft, you have a single light source then the light is plumbed to the projector which gives it the proper frequncy and wavelength for the color and intensity of light needed. Fascinating stuff
Originally posted by punkinworks09
Its not microwaves, It is a charged particle beam, likely protons.
I have heard of weapons such as that being made and tested since about '05-ish...
either way all the new technology coming out with weapons is making it possible to kill without being directly detected...
reply to post by punkinworks09
This is very interesting. I am thinking to myself...this thing penetrated considerable distances. It sounds as if this platform is ideal from a satellite. Asking myself if this tool can penetrate water ...sufficient to make a submarine launch from periscope depth risky buisness?? Especially if a hatch is opened for launch??
It definitely sounds as if such a weapon system was developed it would make land launched or silo launched sites obselete. Now a mobile launcher of the SCUD type may be more difficult but the problem would be one of mobility..discovering its true location..once this is done it would be game over.
I have been hearing whispers that much tech is going beyond Flash Gordon..to use the olde term or phrase.
If this is the case...much surface warship as well as cargo ship tech is extremely vulnurable. The question in my mind is how far can this technology penetrate the water...to what depths??
This would mean that aircraft too are vulnurable.
Nonetheless, such as system, if it was in existance, would be a closely guarded secret.
Thanks,
Orangetom
It will cause explosives to be detonated, even if buried several feet in the ground, from orbit.
What i got from the patent app. is that the space based system is allready deployed, possibly since 2003-04.
Anyone remember the "dynamite" explosion in North Korea in 04?.
Around that time nasa launched the largest single payload weve ever put into orbit.
The payload was also so secret that even the members of the senate itel. commitee were not apprised as to its true nature, just the cost.
I found this info from a search of DARPA budget expenditures for 2007, I wish I still had the links for it, there were some very interesting things in the report.
This is very interesting. I am thinking to myself...this thing penetrated considerable distances. It sounds as if this platform is ideal from a satellite. Asking myself if this tool can penetrate water ...sufficient to make a submarine launch from periscope depth risky buisness?? Especially if a hatch is opened for launch??
It definitely sounds as if such a weapon system was developed it would make land launched or silo launched sites obselete. Now a mobile launcher of the SCUD type may be more difficult but the problem would be one of mobility..discovering its true location..once this is done it would be game over.
I have been hearing whispers that much tech is going beyond Flash Gordon..to use the olde term or phrase.
If this is the case...much surface warship as well as cargo ship tech is extremely vulnurable. The question in my mind is how far can this technology penetrate the water...to what depths??
This would mean that aircraft too are vulnurable.
Nonetheless, such as system, if it was in existance, would be a closely guarded secret.
Thanks,
Orangetom
reply to post by b0n3zassassin
What I gathered from reading the patent app. is that the tech is scalable.
With enough power it is effective from orbit or at lower powers from roadside distances. It can penetrate soil for several feet from orbit.
The language of the patent app states the system could, "Locate and neutralize hidden explosives"
If this is true then it changes the whole picture as far as combat operations.
All you have to do is paint any enemy advance to detonate any explosives that they carry, ie ammo and the likes.
It changes the nature of warfare.
What I gathered from reading the patent app. is that the tech is scalable.
With enough power it is effective from orbit or at lower powers from roadside distances. It can penetrate soil for several feet from orbit.
The language of the patent app states the system could, "Locate and neutralize hidden explosives"
If this is true then it changes the whole picture as far as combat operations.
All you have to do is paint any enemy advance to detonate any explosives that they carry, ie ammo and the likes.
It changes the nature of warfare.
Originally posted by mazzroth
I just put a couple of homemade bullets in my microwave ( I was positive this is a load of garbage ) and wollah...nothing after 10 minutes.
Did you just put the bullets in the m-wave or did you put the loaded ammo in the m-wave? Powder charge, primer and all?
Roper
I wonder if it can penetrate earth, about 18" earth ontop. I thought about that signal thing that excites explosives into exploding... I havent had
the opportunity to look at one, So I have no Idea what spectrum it is using. If you know - let me know and I will ponder it ....
reply to post by ALLis0NE
Well, we have to have balance ... and the members here at ATS have a healthy minority of what I call TRAITORS, those who want personal wealth at the expense of their country we execute those scumbags.
[edit on 14-2-2009 by BornPatriot]
Well, we have to have balance ... and the members here at ATS have a healthy minority of what I call TRAITORS, those who want personal wealth at the expense of their country we execute those scumbags.
[edit on 14-2-2009 by BornPatriot]
Originally posted by BornPatriot
reply to post by ALLis0NE
Well, we have to have balance ... and the members here at ATS have a healthy minority of what I call TRAITORS, those who want personal wealth at the expense of their country we execute those scumbags.
[edit on 14-2-2009 by BornPatriot]
Hmmm..Patriot..I think you will be executing the majority of the people in this country. You need to think such things through with more clarity.
The definition of "at the expense of their country" can be defined by whatever the prevailing winds are today, tomorrow, or at any time..changing. I say this particularly with the implication of the body politic as to what is patriotic or American ...by defnition with whatever administration or political party is in office at the time. Watch carefully for this fingerprint.
Political Prostitutes will attempt to define this for us by default at the whim of the body politic. It is whoredom..selling the souls of the American people for convenience in getting us on the party line like a changing wind.
Most Americans want personal wealth. Those who want personal wealth at the Expense of their country tend to be Internationalists. They are not loyal to a country or a people of a country..they are loyal to thier profits.
The body politic tends to cloud or hide this fingerprint or template by a process of default..or concealment/silence. They will try to redefine this so as to put the onus on the American People while maintaining the whoredom of selling our souls and nation for political/whoredom profit.
Thanks,
Orangetom
[edit on 14-2-2009 by orangetom1999]
Originally posted by ALLis0NE
That same bird told me the military may have already tested it in the middle east. Also said, they were detonating I.E.D.'s while the enemy was setting them up, killing them. Pretty much cooking other explosives in the enemy's hands from far away, before they could use them. Including bullets.
I think you are thinking of the "Warlock" system, all it does is sends out random radio frequencies to set off IED's that are controlled by remote or cell phones. I know we had them in Iraq AT LEAST since 2005. I"m farily certain this isn't classified anymore, as I've seen it mentioned somewhere else before too. At least I hope it isn't
reply to post by JJRichey
No I am fully aware of that system. It is completely different.
That system spams multiple radio frequencies until it can find a detonator that reacts to the spam, that is connected to explosives. When a detonator reacts, that means the frequency it reacted to is the frequency needed to trigger the detonator. That same system then spams signals on that frequency until the detonator is triggered, setting off any explosives next to it.
The above device only works on Radio Frequency Controlled Detonators. Like a "universal remote" for I.E.D.'s set up with a radio frequency trigger.
The device I am talking about in my OP is 100% different. It uses pure energy focused on ammunition or explosives, and that energy alone is enough to trigger expansion in explosive substances. It is directly effecting the explosive substance, and has nothing to do with radio controlled detonators.
[edit on 15-2-2009 by ALLis0NE]
No I am fully aware of that system. It is completely different.
That system spams multiple radio frequencies until it can find a detonator that reacts to the spam, that is connected to explosives. When a detonator reacts, that means the frequency it reacted to is the frequency needed to trigger the detonator. That same system then spams signals on that frequency until the detonator is triggered, setting off any explosives next to it.
The above device only works on Radio Frequency Controlled Detonators. Like a "universal remote" for I.E.D.'s set up with a radio frequency trigger.
The device I am talking about in my OP is 100% different. It uses pure energy focused on ammunition or explosives, and that energy alone is enough to trigger expansion in explosive substances. It is directly effecting the explosive substance, and has nothing to do with radio controlled detonators.
[edit on 15-2-2009 by ALLis0NE]
The device I am talking about in my OP is 100% different. It uses pure energy focused on ammunition or explosives, and that energy alone is enough to trigger expansion in explosive substances. It is directly effecting the explosive substance, and has nothing to do with radio controlled detonators.
That is the system i described, it is a charged particle beam of some sort, it excites the atoms in the explosive thus causing them to explode.
Originally posted by b0n3zassassin
microwave weapons, yes!
haven't heard about the new energy weapons....
I will say that, from personal experience, the government does have a plane that detonates ieds while flying around.
that is to say it's available....never heard that anyone ever used the thing though....this was back in '07 i heard this btw...
heres what your talking about :
Counter-IED Solution can address simultaneous threats. January 8, 2007 - Using electronic counter measures such as spot jamming, multiple-target spot jamming, and wideband noise jamming, fully field-programmable Broad Shield Tactical Manpack (TMP) counters improvised explosive devices (IEDs). Force protection solution provides continuous frequency coverage and can accommodate fully integrated standard BB-2590 military battery pack. Able to be configured for multiple applications, system has provision for plug-in external remote control box.
This can stop Ieds but only if there remote controlled. There is currently nothing on the planet that can cause gunpowder to go off without a spark or fire. And there never will be. As for the microwave thing it would be such a powerful microwave to cause gunpowder to ignite. That they would kill every living thing any where near by And even then if it was a properly made bullet with no air around the powder still wouldnt go off.
reply to post by mazzroth
What casing did you use or do you have a special microwave, unless you used oven/grill mode which would defeat the object of testing out the microwaves unless it was in dual mode?
Care to explain what you did seen as tho your so sure about it!
What casing did you use or do you have a special microwave, unless you used oven/grill mode which would defeat the object of testing out the microwaves unless it was in dual mode?
Care to explain what you did seen as tho your so sure about it!
reply to post by Ex_MislTech
Well in his defence he did say he might think you can do it with microwave tech, but what he was referring to was energy beam teach.....
Well in his defence he did say he might think you can do it with microwave tech, but what he was referring to was energy beam teach.....
The information on this forum and its links may be of relevance, heck of alot to read so reading it now:
freedomfchs.com
More info on particle beam weapons - date 1935 - anyone verify source?
airpower.maxwell.af.mil
[edit on 15/2/2009 by phushion]
Laster tech related to IED's
defensetech.org
[edit on 15/2/2009 by phushion]
Never mind the bullets they'll be taking you out from around the corner with their mirrored up plasma guns lol
policeone .com
[edit on 15/2/2009 by phushion]
freedomfchs.com
More info on particle beam weapons - date 1935 - anyone verify source?
airpower.maxwell.af.mil
[edit on 15/2/2009 by phushion]
Laster tech related to IED's
defensetech.org
[edit on 15/2/2009 by phushion]
Never mind the bullets they'll be taking you out from around the corner with their mirrored up plasma guns lol
LPIC based weapon could, in theory, be fired around corners if mirrors were used.
policeone .com
[edit on 15/2/2009 by phushion]
Here is a video of someone microwaving gun powder...
..another...
[edit on 16-2-2009 by ALLis0NE]
..another...
[edit on 16-2-2009 by ALLis0NE]
This type of technology, if it really exists, wouldn't be effective for chemical explosives would it? It would be geared toward gunpowder charges.
There are chemicals that are inert until mixed together and then they become explosive. May have to change tactics and rethink weaponry.
There are better weapons out there than just projectile type guns. Sonic weapons. The plans for building your own can be had for $20.00 and take about 1.5 hours to make (if you're muddling through the instructions).
The poor man's ray gun is a MASER than can be built without technical expertise. It does help a LOT to know what you're dealing with on this one, btw.
Bows and arrows, for all their low tech glory are still silent and deadly weapons with an acceptable range to them.
People who rely on technology rather than human ingenuity are already fighting a losing battle. I saw examples of it working in the prison system. The guards (sorry, correction officers) thought they had all the advantages but those criminal minds constantly came up with tactics to defeat whatever was thrown at them. Take heart. You only have to take out one of the enemy and then YOU have his oh-so-superior weapon.
There are better weapons out there than just projectile type guns. Sonic weapons. The plans for building your own can be had for $20.00 and take about 1.5 hours to make (if you're muddling through the instructions).
The poor man's ray gun is a MASER than can be built without technical expertise. It does help a LOT to know what you're dealing with on this one, btw.
Bows and arrows, for all their low tech glory are still silent and deadly weapons with an acceptable range to them.
People who rely on technology rather than human ingenuity are already fighting a losing battle. I saw examples of it working in the prison system. The guards (sorry, correction officers) thought they had all the advantages but those criminal minds constantly came up with tactics to defeat whatever was thrown at them. Take heart. You only have to take out one of the enemy and then YOU have his oh-so-superior weapon.
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