Mass release Californian prisoners

Originally posted by unknown known
Could this be related to the MS-13 comin down hard in the near future?

Its gonna be wild

funny that nobody even seemed to notice this....

I think they have a big deal with the prison over-population....

whether it be for drug use...or for normal crimes....


& S&F for tezz!

reply to post by applebiter


To be fair I think the war on Assault, Rape, Sex offence and extortion should be higher than it is current;y, as you say, they pump millions into the war on drugs and it is absolutely useless, the drugs continue to flood in, oh but wait, they wouldn't get the money if they actually WON the war on drugs...I see....

So anyway, back me up, 'the War on ARSE!!'

Sorry, but seriously, there are better ways to combat the drug trade than to arrest everyone, rather than jail, why not a rehab style jail, would certainly help the over population, then again, still a useless 'war'.

EMM

The reason you can't just up and legalize drugs has NOTHING to do with the moral absurdity of "crimes against society". It is a revenue-generating beast. Also, if you legalize drugs, you instantly take away part of the black funding program for the military and God knows which other agencies.

Spot on IMO.

[edit on 10-2-2009 by ElectroMagnetic Multivers]

reply to post by DimensionalDetective


i agree 100 percent. I was given a 5 year prison
sentance for possesion of meth. I never hurt
anyone but myself and yet 5 years for being a drug
addict. Prison was full of people just like me.

A couple of guys from Yale did a study on prison vs stateside life.

The majority of our prisoners are Gen X ers born from late 1960 to 1990....Baby Boomers have a few...early Baby Boomers run the place.


The Baby Boomers have declared a unannounced civil war against Gen x?

According to this study the Baby Boomers, yes, the post WW2 Boomers, are so self absorbed that they see everything revolving around them to the point that they will extremely punish others for things that they themselves have done. (aka smoke weed)

Yea...these early Baby Boomers make me want to puke....they have wrecked this earht, wrecked our society and then try to blame others.

MThFKERS

But the yarn gets better.....Society experiences a catalyst that shocks
everyone out of an individualized stupor. Suddenly focus is shifted on a
national level. This focus shifts attention from internal, national
problems to outer, world problems. World problems that were once
ignored by the people in this country come to the forefront. It’s as if a
collective mind turns its attention to what is going on outside this
country.
Many things happen after the catalyst. People feel as if society
itself is cracking at the seams. Our government can’t solve the simplest
problem. Nor can the individual seem to solve the simplest problem.
The vision of the future turns dark. There’s a sector of society that
can see this and can see what is happening. They start to talk of the doom
that is ahead and try to warn others.
This sector of society is clever when it comes to societal problems.


Yep...timesa r a changen agiin.

Seems the gen xers are gonna try and save the world but to no avail as the baby boomers just don't understand those lazy, over educated gen xers!

Generation Gap.

I guess we will see who wins.

[edit on 10-2-2009 by whiteraven]

Star and Flag from me too Tezza.

Not much else I could add to your's and the others coments. I'm resisting the urge to break out the mountain of drug/law related material I have lying about my hard drive and the internet, but I will if need be.

Having been personally subject to the farce that is Australian drug laws a few times now, I can personally say that I have had conversations with the arresting officers where even THEY admit that it's all a croc of crap. One of them even encouraged me to find a way to get the laws changed, to join the movement against these barbaric laws.

reply to post by tezzajw


I agree with you on that one. The prisons are overcrowded with minor law breakers, most are simple drug possession.

I bet california wish they hadn't elected the govenator!

I have a different take on the potential release of as many as 57,000 prisoners.

I'm concerned that innocent people will be the victims of a crime spree and some will die because the wrong people get set free.

reply to post by stevegmu


Yes!! Some posters to this thread do not understand that, while we may lock up dealers, we do not lock up the person who partakes in their home.

For the more habitually inclined, and who get themselves into other troubles because of their addiction, many CA communities have "drug courts", which have had great success in turning around people's lives. Drug courts help offenders to get clean and ready to support themselves/family in society with a job. At drug court graduations, family members are there to celebrate the success.

If your state/nation locks up every pot smoker, you might be better served by taking a look at CAs drug courts.

I always hear some people say "Well, we send these guy in for pot, they learn from hard criminals, then they get released and can't get a job and become felons. That proes the war on drugs does not work."

I say it proves it works just fine.

Think about this for a moment. You want to control the people through fear. WHat do you do? You create criminals that will go out and steal and rape and murder. you take little pot heads, lock them up with killers and rapists, and they get a taste of that lifestyle. They then get released and start rapinga nd killing and what not. The people are scare. You create more laws to "Protect" the subjects. Rights are slowly stripped away because after all if it is "Laws to protect the children" or "Laws to stop crime from destroying our city" then people get behind it one hundred percent because humans are stupid and want comfort and to agree with people.

This has all been an experiment to see if they could find an easy way to control e populace.

Guess what, it workd.

The war on drugs is a joke. If you REALLY didn't want drugs getting in, they would not be everywhere like they are. And legalizing drugs wont make people who don't do them just go start smoking crack. If people want crack then they know where to get it. You never heard someone say "damn I want some crack but too bad its illegal". If they want it they are going to get it regardless so it being legal or not has nothing to do with it. Making drugs legal will dry up the hustle from the gangs and dealers and the violence associated with it would most likely dry up as well. But they do not want this. There is too much money leaving things the way they are. The prison system is a cash cow and is not going anytime soon. And yes violence is associated with certain drugs more than others but instead of having that crack head wandering the streets looking for someone to jack, he could be receiving treatment for his addiction and off the streets. It may sound to some that giving the addict what they desire is wrong but at least you are doing something to the problem. Letting him detox slowly instead of waiting to rob you to get a rock! He is smoking it anyway so turning your back on it will just make it that much worse in the long run.

reply to post by secretagent woooman


Things are just fine here...California has WAY TOO many people in the prison and jails that really haven't done anything to harm anyone. Besides, with the economy collapsing here, I suspect the crime rate is going to go up sharply any day now...
There's always a hidden agenda in a story like this...

reply to post by desert


Through drug rehabilitation, the answers are rarely solved. People come out of programs feeling GREAT, but give it time and 18/20 relapse and 1/20 dies.

If you keep getting caught with small amounts of drugs(in your car, on the street, people snitching, etc) your gonna do some fed time. You adapt in prison, its a different life, you turn into a shark cuz thats all that is in the system, HARDcore sharks....you a small fish you gonna be ate up.

SO....this is what we have with the release of these prisoners (possible gang members, specifically MS-13(mexican)).
The Mexicans RUN the jails, they are very well organized and follow the rules of the game to the death.

You can see how some people may have a problem with this many people being released, its going to get wild in cali, especially when NO ONE IS EATIN!!!!

I am strangely reminded of the scene from Ghostbusters where the city official recklessly shuts down the power to the containment facility.........

As with most socialist states, California is failing. They are bankrupt both financially and morally.

reply to post by Oldtimer2


What this man said, I don't even see people slowing down one bit. Restaurants are full, mall is not full but plenty of people out doing there thing.

And to the point of this post it has been said a few times but prisons are a money maker and employ thousands of people.

I'm not from California and I'm sick of that state. Arnold and all those other idiots can blow it. Why should other states finance the insanity that is California?

Talk about messed up. Obviously, minor criminals should be freed but the prison industry messes these dudes lives up haaard. Have you ever seen that show lock down o MSNBC? Its war in prison ESPECIALLY California prisons. It looks totally divided racially with gang alliances. These inmates are tainted and many not fit for life on the outside. Dogs I say.

Since I'm from the Midwest I will be happy to finance Cali's BS in the future.

reply to post by Retseh


HAHAHAHAH!
That's hilarious! That dude from the EPA- what a douche.

the problem is the economic system. people are doing the opposite of what the government is telling us to do. i say that the government should not lock up people that don't have that serious of crimes but they should lock up those that do robberies, murders, and other crimes that really mess up our country but not those that do life for the stupid # that can be handle with other solutions

just goes to show you the selfish me me attitude of the 60s generation, do whatever feels good right now etc, no surprise there are so many druggies out there- most of them aint even apologetic about it, arrogant sods...........

Originally posted by tezzajw
reply to post by DimensionalDetective

 

Exactly, DD. How many US pResidents have admitted to smoking some weed? They confessed to a crime, so shouldn't they also be behind bars? It's pure hypocrisy.

Anyway, it shows that the system is not working. Maybe the FEMA camps aren't quite ready for all of the excess prisoners?


[edit on 9-2-2009 by tezzajw]

Just a thought:

Perhaps the FEMA camps are ready and now there has to be a reason to use them. Muscle and fear with the media could get people asking for FEMA to open up for their 'safety'. FEMA saves the day.

Originally posted by Oldtimer2
I'm from So California and things are great here,well with the exception of the rain but we needed it,everything is fine here,no riots ,no high crime,think you read into things too much

I think it's really a matter of perspective, I live in So Cal too (Right near Laguna Beach), and California has one of the highest divisions between rich and poor of anywhere in the country, and I find it despicable.

I am very blessed to live a middle-upper class lifestyle, but I know the indigenous soil from whence my roots spring (Both of my grandparents are Mexican immigrants and both are now American citizens). It is only through the blood and sweat of my family that I have arrived in the advantageous situation I find myself in. I fear that if we do not institute better standards of education and equality for all peoples, California will end up looking something like Sao Paulo.