Jews and forced Natural selection

...picking a board for this thread was hard since I was denied access to the Research board.

Please read carefully before posting.

Observation: If Jew is a race, they could arguably be viewed as the most gifted.

Previous theory: "God's chosen"

Present theory: (not discarding the first, just adding a possible one)
the result of man made natural selection.

Argument: Jews have been hunted down since day one. The educated of a people usually have the means and intelligence to "escape" when they see the writing on the wall. Those that don't, perish or if they have a "gift" are spared.
Keep this going for over 2000 years and you are left with a gene pool that has survived and evolved faster than the rest of mankind.

Approach this scientifically....what do we understand about natural selection?
Now apply it to the Jews through history and replacing "nature" with "man" survival of the fittest. Those traits that are essential to survival get passed down through generations. "gifts" "intelligence"

..Ironically or perhaps sardonicly Hitler had this theory in mind for the Aryan race. No sane person would ever suggest that the Jews ever said..."hey, spend 2000 years hunting us down so that one day we might corner the market on Movie makers, comedians, bankers, business men, and scholars...etc."
Mankind is responsible for the Jews evolution and to the myopic only see it either as a horrible tragedy or one more reason to resent the Jews for the result.

....we are quickly approaching the time when we can forgo genocide over 2000yrs to get a more evolved race, with genetic engineering we will do it in the lab before going to lunch.

So look at the results of these issues;
a) many people still hate the Jews or resent them. The only non-ignorant reason to resent them would be if you were "jealous" but even then you would have to acknowledge that mankinds inhumanity to them, this forced natural selection, is the reason and not anything that they are responsible for. Hating them out of jealousy and acknowleging it as such is not ignorant...stupid yes,...but not ignorant, because it is honest.

b) do you think that genetically engineered humans are going to get better treatment? Those with the money will do it....another group of people we can hate because they are better than us. What happens to sports?
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...so to anyone that cares to opine;
1) no Jew bashing
2) no "Religion" arguments
3) No anecdotal stories about what some Jew did to you so they all are...
4) no Jew bashing again he says.
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Science is what I want....opinions on man made natural selection.
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someone is going to say..."all races were created equal"....and I will hope someone points out that they "didn't read this carefully" like I asked.
Sure, Yes, absolutely, all races were created equal....the issue is...... "DID WE CHANGE THIS" Did our 2000 year persecution of the Jews result in man made Darwinism.
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please opine as harshly as you want as long as you don't cut and paste a bunch of anti-semitic crap.
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reply to post by Res Ipsa


Previous theory: "God's chosen"
MORE LIKE GOD'S FALLEN..................the imposters who want to rule the world or that is there hope.........

PEACE

Seriously? that is all you got from my post? I couldn't convince you not to Jew bash? No volitional control?

An interesting theory but fundamentally Jewish intellectual superiority is based entirely on two premises: Jews value education above everything but family much like other Asiatic-descended cultures and their religion is based on argument and logic unlike Christianity or Islam. Mainstream Jews also generally are much smarter about family planning which gives them more financial leverage that other groups. Hasidic Jews of course are the opposite but they tend to gravitate toward hgiher-paying jobs anyway so it balances out. They also tend to have strong family and community connections which gives them another hand up, they don't have to rely as much on the social service system as much as other groups. These are all wonderful concepts and other groups would be smart to imitate them.

Based on my experiences with many Jewish friends, relatives and cowokers I don't support natural selection. Serious genetically linked diseases such as Tay-Sachs are found in very high numbers in the Jewish population, especially in those descended from the smaller Eastern European ethnic enclaves. Most of them I have known have significant problems with depression and mania but that may be as much from growing up as Holocaust survivors or their descendants as it does genetics. If you look at how other groups have treated the Jews throughout history is not hard to see why they tend to be neurotic about outsiders, and that translates into what they teach their children. Having dated several Jewish men I can vouch that they not only have mother issues, a lot of them can't seem to function independently at all without a woman running their lives but they sure do complain a lot about it! They do tend to be faithful and hardworking though, which are great traits. One thing is for sure, with a Jewish mother in law you probably will not starve!

reply to post by Res Ipsa


Res, you may well have a point there. As a distinct cultural group, they are without a doubt, some of the most talented and brilliant folks on earth.

I've only worked with a couple of Jews personally, and I've known others over the years, and while I may have my distinct differences with a few, I have to admit, they are . . . smart. Driven. Focused. Determined.

One can logically assume that by marrying within their culture as they tend to do, they have "maintained" a more concentrated gene pool from which to draw on.

Whatever it is, it's working.

And I can't help but also acknowledge the Old Testament promise to Abraham that all nations would be blessed by his seed.

Whether one believes that or not, it certainly seems to be true.

You're asking people not "bash" Jews well saying Jews are genetically superior.lol

Good luck with that!!!

Oh, and have you ever thought that Jews got the power they had by not caring about doing bad things?

If that's what you call being "genetically superior" than I would rather be "inferior" by far.

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that seems to be more about "Jewish culture" than the effects of forced natural selection. Meaning, what you said is true but that is just describing what would be regardless of any outside force....to some extent.
...I mean I'm Norwegian and Polish and a mutt of other sorts and so I love lefsa and Basia...

We can't take anecdotal examples to try and understand this....we have to deal with generalities that "exclude" cultural and especially religious explanations.

What is the proportion of Jews in the arts compared to any other single race? Movies, Comedians, etc.? Can it all be explained through culture?
...Irish cops.....but that is a profession not some "gift" other races stress education too but to be fair maybe Jews more so than any other single group but was that because...a) culture or b) they have learned that it gave them the best chance to survive?

I think we would be hard pressed to say that for 2000 years the Jewish culture wasn't shaped by the conditions of their existence among those that constantly were trying to get rid of them.

I think we could both be right here after thinking about my last paragraph.
It is a bit of the chicken or the egg thinking.
But I am still leaning towards the generality that mankind, through hatered, has forced the Jews to evolve quicker than the rest of us. I'm not saying they have super genes, but I do believe they as a "race" have an edge as a whole.

At least 178 Jews and persons of half- or three-quarters-Jewish ancestry have been awarded the Nobel Prize,1 accounting for 23% of all individual recipients worldwide between 1901 and 2008, and constituting 37% of all US recipients2 during the same period. In the scientific research fields of Chemistry, Economics, Medicine, and Physics, the corresponding world and US percentages are 27% and 40%, respectively. (Jews currently make up approximately 0.25% of the world's population and 2% of the US population.)

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Originally posted by Res Ipsa


What is the proportion of Jews in the arts compared to any other single race? Movies, Comedians, etc.?

Are you talking about the one handing out the check or actually creating???

I see them handing out the check more rather than being apart of the creation.

Does stealing other peoples and cultures ideas count now as creating art, just wondering?

Shawn,
I thought I explained the theory on why they as a race have evolved faster than the rest of us and it is all about Darwinism, except this type of Darwinism was created by man.
This is a scientific theory not some Zionist propaganda thread.

...I'm certain there are plenty of "hate the Jew" threads out there for you to spend time on.

I'm not going to argue they are a strong race for having survived all they've been through, however.....

(On the jewish religion)[...]and their religion is based on argument and logic

Uh, how is their religion based on argument and logic? Care to elaborate? I consider myself at least somewhat well versed in this matter being a philosophy and religion major for as long as I was. How is it anymore logical than Christianity?

Originally posted by Skyfloating

At least 178 Jews and persons of half- or three-quarters-Jewish ancestry have been awarded the Nobel Prize,1 accounting for 23% of all individual recipients worldwide between 1901 and 2008, and constituting 37% of all US recipients2 during the same period. In the scientific research fields of Chemistry, Economics, Medicine, and Physics, the corresponding world and US percentages are 27% and 40%, respectively. (Jews currently make up approximately 0.25% of the world's population and 2% of the US population.)

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Oh, that's crap.

How many of those people are well known compared to the ones who haven't been awarded who have done ground breaking work, or what about all the people who have been suppressed because their creation or their work was a little to groundbreaking.

Acknowledgment awards are crap.




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Shawn....care to explain "Skyfloatings" stats he posted?

...is there anyway I can convince you to stick to the science theory?
do you understand that Jews are infirmed like any other race with their ideologies, politics, racism, etc....? They are every bit as human as the rest of us? Hate them for being human if you must.

Just because they have been forced through a natural selection process doesn't mean that they have been made God's. Do you even understand natural selection? Darwinism? Have you seen the antithesis of this through the movie "Idiocracy" rent it....or at least watch the opening of the movie where they show trailer trash having kids and then their kids and then their kids....to show our future. Are you willing to say Hitler, Darwin, and countless others are retarded for subscribing to the results of natural selection?

Originally posted by Res Ipsa
Shawn,
I thought I explained the theory on why they as a race have evolved faster than the rest of us and it is all about Darwinism, except this type of Darwinism was created by man.
This is a scientific theory not some Zionist propaganda thread.

...I'm certain there are plenty of "hate the Jew" threads out there for you to spend time on.

Your theory is crap and IS Zionist propaganda.

What is their race anyway white, black or brown???

Seems like they can take other peoples DNA and it counts for the Jewish race rather than another as well....



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Originally posted by NativeAmerican
I'm not going to argue they are a strong race for having survived all they've been through, however.....

(On the jewish religion)[...]and their religion is based on argument and logic

Uh, how is their religion based on argument and logic? Care to elaborate? I consider myself at least somewhat well versed in this matter being a philosophy and religion major for as long as I was. How is it anymore logical than Christianity?

....no...read again....the jewish religion is taboo on this thread....I don't care about the religion. religion takes us off the scientific point the Darwinism point....There are hundreds of threads dealing with Religion and opportunity up the wazooo to bash it....not here please!!!!

Shawn,
I don't know what makes them a race or if they are one.
I don't know if religion is all that tied them together or if they have a long heritage inspite of it.
How many races are there? Are Mexican's a race or are they Native Americans? Are Indians just light skinned African's? Are Nords just bleached African's? Don't some people believe we were all Africans at one point in time? I am pretty sure that Jews have been distinct from other people for over 2000 years and whether they are a "race" or not....they have been picked out by others, hunted, chased, driven out all over the world so whether it be about race or religion....they were....wait for it......
victims of forced Darwinism......does that make you happier?

Surely there are "I hate Jews" threads elsewhere.

You have yet to make one, single, logical, rational statement.

There may be a Nazi/skinhead/retard thread on here somewhere, enabling you to post your illuminating, thoughtful, concepts with those of similar capability.

Good luck!

reply to post by Res Ipsa


There was no jew bashing going on. That was a strange statement to make of any religion, really.

But anyway back on topic then. Darwinism is still just a theory. A very plausible theory but still none the less a theory.

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judaism is a religon. its not a Race of peoples, Jews as has been mentioned in this thread can be of any race and/or nationality, just because one is jewish by birth does not make him genetically superior to others. if you want to talk about genetic superiority I would suggest looking to people of african descent, generally speaking their build is more geard twards physical activities which is evident of the color of their skin, the darker your skin is the more melanin you have which protects your body from UV Radiation from excessive sun exposure something that the hunter-gatherer tribes of humanities past would have benifited from. they also seem to have larger, more elongated skulls than people of non-african descent this could allow for more fluid in the brain area which would allow one to take harder hits on the head vs those without. This very same trait is shown in Apes/Monkeys/Chimps/Gorillas I would like to point out that I'm not trying to insinuate anything deragatory by the comparisons I just made. I just happen to notice theese things with all of my friends some of which are born in africa to parents who are of african descent, this is a distinction from african-americans who were (unfortunately) most likely the result of white slave owners raping the female black slaves that they made use of. Once again I wish to state that I am not trying to make any deragatory statements here and any offense gleaned from this is a result of the person who reads this' perception of what I said, and not mine.


That having been said, we still have no physical evidence that jews are a seperate race, even with the automatic decleration of a jewish person being jewish as a result of their mother being jewish. This practice was started because in the olden days (before eveything was black and white, and before everything was sepia-tone even) jewish people were raped and killed often and the only way to know if someone was jewish was by their mother because the father could be anyone of any religion.

Also for clarification I am by jewish law, Jewish as my mother was jewish (as was hers etc..) I was even born in isreal.

I like Jews a lot.

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