Bush Press Conference: Did he call Islam a false Ideology?

Originally posted by Valhall
I can't help but notice that the majority of opinions posted on this thread are from those that already hate the guts out of the President.

I'm relatively impartial about Bush at this point.
I don't hate his guts and,
yeah. This was pretty bad.
Like SO said, his answers were mostly variations on the same thing, even to different questions. It was bizzare.

-B.

Was this the comment?

That's why it's important for us to spread freedom throughout the Middle East. Free societies are hopeful societies. A hopeful society is one more likely to be able to deal with the frustrations of those who are willing to commit suicide in order to represent a false ideology.

abcnews.go.com...

Bush is a bad speaker........ and his speech writers arent mr. fancy pants either.........

but Im sure you all have the intellect to realize that what he was trying to say was true.....

Originally posted by Banshee

I'm relatively impartial about Bush at this point.
I don't hate his guts and,
yeah. This was pretty bad.
Like SO said, his answers were mostly variations on the same thing, even to different questions. It was bizzare.

-B.

lol

maybe they only had time to come up with one answer

Originally posted by AceOfBase A hopeful society is one more likely to be able to deal with the frustrations of those who are willing to commit suicide in order to represent a false ideology.

Yes... but that's odd... I don't recall the suicide part. Interesting. Either way, the wording is awkward, and seems to indicate the trouble with people willing to blow themselves up in the name of Islam. An off-handed implication that Islam is a false ideology, but not directly so. (remember, I think they're all false ) I just think it's wreckless for the leader of a country to be speaking this way. Even me, an athiest, would be careful to respect one's beliefs in a situation like this... and make sure my words wouldn't me mistaken for a blanket "Islam is false" statement.

Originally posted by Valhall
And, by the way, if he called fanatical Islamic teaching a "false ideology"...I'm all over that.

and go for it. I'm sick of the cover up of what's causing this inhumanity - it's fanaticism. And fanaticism of any color is a false ideology.

Amen

Bush is a bad speaker........ and his speech writers arent mr. fancy pants either.........

You my fine feathered friend are insane.

Originally posted by AceOfBase
Was this the comment?

That's why it's important for us to spread freedom throughout the Middle East. Free societies are hopeful societies. A hopeful society is one more likely to be able to deal with the frustrations of those who are willing to commit suicide in order to represent a false ideology.

abcnews.go.com...

Though I cannot agree with all the decisions made by the President I will give Bush this- at least he had the balls to go over to Iraq and take care of some major problems. I felt conviction in his statements, even though he has much on his shoulders right now at least he called the news conference. Osama is next- Sure, his solution created more problems...
At least he is doing something. The Clinton Administration knew of osama a long time ago, and did nothing. And saddam, of course, had capabilities....that were eliminated.
What would you do? If you were President? Mmmm..

According to MSNBC, this was the third presidential news conference. Bush speaks more than has been spoken by past presidents during news conferences also.
You know, it took much courage in my opinion, especially in light of recent events on the war with Iraq, to speak as he did. And I am glad he referenced the "Almighty"!

Insult is the last resort of the defeated debater...

No GWB is not a very good speaker. That's not why I hired him. He's certainly no Bill Clinton when it comes to charming an audience. Again, that is not what I hired him to do.

One thing he said that I really agree with and stand behind is that when a US President says something, the rest of the world better understand that we mean it. Above all, I believe he really does understand the threat of a false Ideology that justifies the kind of horror that we're seeing over there. He alluded to the fact the Western Civilization is a stake and I've addressed that in many of my posts on this subject. I agree and will probably vote for him again this time, even though he ain't no movie star or slick talking lawyer.

Thats funny, when an american president says something you know you can believe it...... Not this one. How about no nation building.
Next topic, did anybody notice when he said something about "some peole think that middle eastern people dont deserve democracy,some people think that brown skinned people dont deserve freedom", or something like that. My wife and i looked at eachother for about the tenth time and went 'what did he say'.
I kept thinking about that boy that kept yawning at his last speech. It was very strange,this guy has no interesting qualities.

Very embarrasing for an american,He reminded me of a guy on the street corner that is talking at you and so sure that he can convince you he is not crazy.

Living in Australia and seeing this press conference made me feel sorry for you guys having this moron representing you to the rest of the world... its no wonder the majority of the planet hate americans when the people you guys elect in are so stupid and arrogant... hopefully next timearound you may get it right... (although i'm not too sure about kerry)

You know man, at this point i would rather have no president than this one. Let congress pass four years of laws,everybody go about their business,of course the whole crew would go with him but you know i dont think it would be that bad. This guy is doing more harm than good. The next guy just has to play catch up,Hell this guy cant even play keep up.

Hey, America isn't the only nation that has elected an idiot. Our last prime minister once said, and this is almost a direct quote, " If you have the proof it is the proof and once you have the proof it is proven." And collectively the country said "WTF?"

Intrepid, this is the Bush Admin for you,

Donald Rumsfeld: "As we know there are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don't know we don't know."

Confusion, disinformation, its all a day in the life of a WHite House frequenter. Canadians should be so lucky [/sarcasm].

Donald Rumsfeld: "As we know there are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don't know we don't know."

That is so damn funny. Just like Monty Python. Even funnier is that some people want to put this gov't back in. I mean this guy has Bush's ear right? I wouldn't want anyone that could understand "that" with access to a nuclear strike button.

Yes, the president is an idiot and you are all geniuses.

Yes, the person with a bachelor's from Yale and a master's from Harvard is an idiot. Sometimes this site is sooo comical.


"He became the first Governor in Texas history to be elected to consecutive four-year terms when he was re-elected on November 3, 1998, with 68.6 percent of the vote."

President George W. Bush's Biography

Originally posted by DClark
"He became the first Governor in Texas history to be elected to consecutive four-year terms when he was re-elected on November 3, 1998, with 68.6 percent of the vote."

Bush also set the Texas and U.S. lifetime record for executions. He even executed two mentally retarded people.

Wasn't it Bush who bragged about being a "C" student? He also ran numerous companies into the ground. Bush is no scholar that's for damn sure.

*EDIT: If you look at the Cali. election I think it's plain to see that people are pissed off with the lack of choice. It gets to the point where you start to say, "well at least _____ is better than _____." It doesn't mean anything. Bush is a dumbass is my point. A little puppet on a corporate string.

[Edited on 4-14-2004 by insite]

I just love the hardline Republican way of though:

When I'm right, I'm right.
When I'm wrong, I'm still right.

Originally posted by Ambient Sound Insult is the last resort of the defeated debater... No GWB is not a very good speaker. That's not why I hired him. He's certainly no Bill Clinton when it comes to charming an audience. Again, that is not what I hired him to do.

It goes beyond speaking. The ability to think quickly on your feet and articulate your thoughts is a clear sign of intelligence. The ability to articulate your thoughts in a compelling and meaningful way is an attribute of leadership. This president has neither. I dislike 99.9% of all politicians, but this one is among my top 10. This press conference was a national embarrassment. Only the fourth such time this person has presented himself in this way for questions from the media... and it's clear it was a semi-scripted event (reporters submitted their questions, and he had time to consider a response before the "press conference"). Even with such preplanning, 80% of the content of his answers were repetitive pabulum from his previous statements on Iraq. The country needs answers on several topics, he was asked about these topics, and gave us no answers. That's an indication of either arrogance or stupidity (or both). This is well beyond a critique of his lack-of public speaking expertise, this is about his lack of desire to address the issues head-on.

Okay, IQ aside, I'd like to speak to the original question in this thread. Let's say that SO recalls correctly and Bush stated that there is a "false ideology" present in Islam.

There is. And as I stated in a previous post it is not Islam itself, but the fanatical movements and teachings that are being perpetrated on a large percent of the followers.

Is there anybody here going to deny this? Probably not. So lets address SO's question about whether a leader should make a statement like this or not.

In my research into the Flight to 911 series I am learning that it damned sure didn't do us a bit of good to ignore the big white elephant sitting in the middle of the room. Because while we were ignoring that elephant - it positioned its butt right over and took the # of all ages on our heads on 9/11. Not for over 20 years now has NOT calling this "evil" (and the fanatical teachings that are leading 'jihads' and teaching of 'Great Satans' are evil - any teaching that drives people to hatred and malice toward other human beings is evil...BIG PHAT PERIOD) has not worked to diminish the growing hate it fosters.

Carter Reagan Bush Clinton and up until now Bush2 (because he has coddled the Islamic religion and it would be futile trying to prove otherwise) have all avoided calling this evil movement in the Islamic faith out into the sunlight.

You cannot ignore irrational, illogical, malisciously induced hatred.

Let's review: By and large the hatred began around the time of the Iranian hostage crisis. Up until then there wasn't much that the mid-eastern region had to be all piffled off at us about. IF you want to look for some one that the mid-east could legitimately claim to have a long-standing beef with, you would have to turn to the British Empire. There is a book (name I cannot remember right now) in which the author reviews when the British Empire relinquished the mid-east from its kingdom. The author states (I paraphrase) that when the British Empire carved out the boundaries of the mid-eastern countries upon their exodus from the region, they ensured for all time instability in the region.

BUT, the U.S. had not a damned thing to do with that...so, there wasn't any legitimately blame to be placed on the U.S.

The hatred that initiated around the end of the 70's was because the U.S. refused to allow the Revolutionary Council to get hold of the Shah and do whatever kind of evil thing they wanted to do to the man. Whether the Revolutionary Council's claims that the Shah had committed crimes against the Iranian people had validity or not is kind of beside the question. The U.S. (or any other country) would have been absolutely right in not turning the Shah over to them...since there are, in fact, U.N. procedures for this circumstance.

In that time period of the Khomeini whipping up hatred to the U.S. the "polgroms" against the U.S. started surfacing (i.e. the false accusation that the U.S. was involved in the Grand Mosque seizure).

And here is where we have to get real about these fanatical teachers - LOGIC WILL NOT RULE AGAINST ILLOGIC. I know this first hand. Springer's ex-wife is ate up with psychopathy. We tried to use logic in dealing with her for nigh on five years - logic gets the short end of the stick EVERY TIME when you are dealing with MALICIOUS ILLOGIC. (You watch and see if I'm right.)

The Imams/Khomeini's etc. that are teaching these little boys and all the way up to grown men these fanatical, hate-filled teachings are the same people that are keeping these followers in oppression, poverty and devoid of the past 300 years of technology a lot of times, with their theocratic laws. In order to keep an oppressed people under oppressive rule, you must divert their attention away from the fact that it is, in fact, the oppressive laws that are oppressing them and point them to an external source of their oppression.

AND THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING.

Over 20 years of not saying this has NOT worked. Maybe, before saying that Bush is out of line speaking the truth (irrespective of how you feel about him as President), we should step back and see if speaking the truth might not get us some where.


[Edited on 4-14-2004 by Valhall]