All is full of love. A truth found.

I subscribe to the idea that every action that is taken is perceived as good by the perpetrator. Or more precisely: Perceived as the "lesser evil".

So if I smoke a cigarette, something that is obviously deterimental, I´d only be doing so because I perceive not-smoking to be more painful.

Likewise a criminal might perceive "the system" to be evil and his acts being a rebellion against this system.

I think in your mindset you'd be better able to help criminals develop a stance that is more aligned with what society deems acceptable. You understand that a criminals acts are motivated by the mistaken belief of doing something "good" or less painful than the alternative. Feeling thus understood the criminal is more willing to negotiate.

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Everyone thinks of the most effective idea to protect their love. Depending upon the situation a person does not choose the lesser evil... They pick the worst thing to do to intimitdate and remove further threat to thier love.

In the end it is all about protecting their love, be it an identity or a sense of fairness. This criminal is experiancing and feeling a warped yet logical love form their point of veiw.

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well, yes. Yes they do. Because its less painful (in their opinion) than not doing so.

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Out of love--through hate.

Achieving order--out of chaos.

reply to post by Wertdagf


This says it all-

this is one of the ideas of the Jewish Caballa.

that god is all love and everything. there is no separate entity more powerful.

adversity is for our own growth and need of answers--desire to bring us closer.


sort of like a parent making a child do homework. the child would rather play; and, sees homework as punishment--something negative. however, the parent is forcing the child to become a mature adult. the parent does this out of love.

all i can say is be careful of what you believe. the arab world believes anti-christ is the western world and vice-versa.

I have always thought the same as you - but I never put the word love in the mix - even though it makes perfect sense.

Love - doing something from the heart.

Hate - causing harm to another human.

Peace - not causing harm to another human.

Can we live in a world of love and peace without hate?

Imo the reality is a dychotomy, between two basic energies, manifested as emotions. So, on the one hand we have love and on the other we have fear. Everything any living thing does is a manifestation of one of these emotions, or a mix. Fear is a destructive energy, Love is a creational, building energy.

So no, not all is done out of love, some things are done out of fear. Although fear motivated people love somewhat, love motivated people fear somewhat, we are all some sort of emotional blend. But the universe opens it's doors to those that raise the frequency, those that seek positive energy, those that love. At least probabilistically.

Sometimes fear can be positive, sometimes it's better not to do anything, as well as sometimes love can be missguided, as was stated in the OP. But overall love will pull to the positive and fear to the negative. And that's how I see the whole shebang working, right to the physical level.

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first of all wow this is awesome. the very same path ive been down the past few months! but i must disagree with you.

see what you are talking about it seems, is the intention behind peoples actions and doings. but i learned that there really is hatred out there. there really is evil which of course this is where free will plays into the equation. what are your intentions behind the doing? i could agree with you that from hitlers point of view it was out of love and positive for something specific while negative for the jews. he had good intentions for those he sought benefit for. and that was clearly not the jews. now i have seen some people that are depressed and just "dont care" and will do harm to themselves while doing harm to others. and no not out of love for pain, but hatred for humanity.

maybe im not seeing it as deep as you like if u said they love to hate or something. but please go off this let me know what u think.

remember i think youre directing your post toward intentions behind action but maybe im wrong

A nice post , beautiful in it's eloquence.

I must say..imho you are missing one half of the argument , Basically i agree with you 50% .. there are only 2 emotions from our primal background that have been manipulated over centuries with etiquette to appear as 'other emotions'

Love is one , Fear is the other .. All other emotions stem from these two base emotions.

When caveman is sitting in his cave protecting his family and the wild beast comes to the door .. Love makes him pick up his spear to protect his family .. But its Fear that gives him what he needs to ram it home....

Don't search for Justice .. this cannot be .. because it cannot be enforced, not by you or anyone/anything else. With every living thing on this planet having free will Good things WILL happen to Bad people and Bad things WILL happen to good people this is why you can never have TRUE justice.

Spread the Love do not live the fear .. then we might.. just might make it.

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"All Is Full Of Love"
by: Bjork


You'll be given love
You'll be taken care of
You'll be given love
You have to trust it

Maybe not from the sources
You have poured yours
Maybe not from the directions
You are staring at

Twist your head around
It's all around you
All is full of love
All around you

All is full of love
You just ain't receiving
All is full of love
Your phone is off the hook
All is full of love
Your doors are all shut
All is full of love!

All is full of love
All is full of love
All is full of love
All is full of love
All is full of love

Im liking this thread because I am trying to think of something evil thats been done but has not been done for love.....Im struggling....but Im sure there is something that is pure evil that has now lust for love.....

we are just talking humans and not including animals arent we.....

Its an interresting thread .... although I don't agree with you.

Not really EVERYTHING is done with LOVE. There are people that acually choose the opposite because they think they can gain more that way.

Beside that there are countless forms of love and I think that's basicly what you refer to.

Humanity can change for the better if only we learn to get past our individual and personal variaties of 'love' feelings for UNCONDITIONAL LOVE is the way to PEACE but hard to practice.

Nice post OP....

Just thought i'd drop in my two cents here:

As long as human love is evoked in a world of opposites, hatred will be its twin brother. There is no avoiding it! Anyone who cultivates personal love is also cultivating hatred; that is a law of any dualistic world. Hatred is a means of self-protection in this fearful world, as essential and as ego-centred as human love.

Now there is an whole other def. of "love".....

Peace

ps: S+F for the post.....

Originally posted by Wertdagf
Maybe its these rose colored glasses im wearing?

Correct. You are blinded by relativism.

Do you realize that you said that murder is justified because it is an act of love?

I tell you that most of what is done by men with love is coupled with hatred or destructive intention and sentiment.

Mind you, relativism is accurate in as far as all is judged relative to the will and way of God.

With regard to love, we are to love, but even our enemies. No man who loves selectively can be justified. As Christ said...

“But I say to you who hear: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, and pray for those who spitefully use you. To him who strikes you on the one cheek, offer the other also. And from him who takes away your cloak, do not withhold your tunic either. Give to everyone who asks of you. And from him who takes away your goods do not ask them back. And just as you want men to do to you, you also do to them likewise.

“But if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. And if you lend to those from whom you hope to receive back, what credit is that to you? For even sinners lend to sinners to receive as much back. But love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil. Therefore be merciful, just as your Father also is merciful.

Luke 6:27-36

When somone is afraid... it is a fear of losing that which they love.

Im saying that knowledge brings understandings and in those understandings, no matter how flawed they are, is birthed love. Just as deep as anyone has ever felt.

All desire is a result of information.. to have no desire is to know nothing. It is said that even gods and angels weep..... of losing that which they love.

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but it is all relative. If you had lived their life you would do the same... sentenced to the same hell to burn in an infinte fire. (if you believe that sort of this)

What in those words was it that i missed. I dont see how your quote of jesus contridicts what i have said. Those who love only themselves or only do good to those who are good to them are NOT people who have correct knowledge of this reality... but it does not mean that their selfish love doesnt burn inside of them as hot my selfless love.

Not loving everyone comes from a lack of information, or experiance. Often learning a selfless nature comes from much suffering in ignorance.

Hate and peace are still motivated by that same love... it is only the limited amount of knowledge and inturn the uderstandings that are created from it that move from HATE to PEACE to protect or grow that love.



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Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by walman

 

but it is all relative. If you had lived their life you would do the same... sentenced to the same hell to burn in an infinte fire. (if you believe that sort of this)

What in those words was it that i missed. I dont see how your quote of jesus contridicts what i have said. Those who love only themselves or only do good to those who are good to them are NOT people who have correct knowledge of this reality... but it does not mean that their selfish love doesnt burn inside of them as hot my selfless love.

Not loving everyone comes from a lack of information, or experiance. Often learning a selfless nature comes from much suffering in ignorance.

Hate and peace are still motivated by that same love... it is only the limited amount of knowledge and inturn the uderstandings that are created from it that move from HATE to PEACE to protect or grow that love.
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So, is hate a good thing then if it is based on love? Is love such a great thing if is the origin of hatred?

So then hate is what? The result of something going against something I love? That actually makes sense I guess if that is what you mean.

And if someone is so against something I love, then even if I fully understand them and have all of their information then why should I not hate them?

Who are you wertdagf? That is a question which is answered almost entirely based upon your goals. And to be honest, it may be that your goals are highly incompatible with my own. So if I hate your goals, then perhaps I should hate you. Even knowing everything you know and even knowing your motivations for it all.

I think perhaps hate is a good thing. I think hate speech is perhaps a good thing too, and don't see why it should be outlawed by the ATS police. Maybe the Bible is wrong... maybe some people need hatred against them. Maybe some people need to be told that they are hated in very clear terms. I hope I am wrong. I don't want to hate anybody, but maybe I should. People like Bush, Stalin, and Hitler may deserve hate. I can't say I specifically hate any of them but maybe that is a problem and I should hate them.

reply to post by Wertdagf


So many things hinge on the understanding of what love is and its definitions.

Does a person have a conscience?

Does a person actually have feelings?

Are there emotions behind the love?

Is it an addictive love?

What is the difference between love and codependency?

You are right, love can be construed to apply to many situations and yet still miss the mark of its true meaning.

Your post is entirely correct, and hits the nail on the head.


Almost all human acts are done out of a desire to be loved. Even the twisted ones... Even serial killers do what they do because of a desire or because of a lack of that emotion in their lives.

People are afraid to love each other. We believe it is a sign of weakness or loss of control. Much of our time is spent trying to live up to an image of strength, class, independence, and respect... because if we are respected and feared then we can survive not being loved. Everyone knows that the strongest position to be in in this world is a person who everybody loves. If you've mistaken your purpose in life or don't feel that love is available, you pursue money, careers, positions of power, etc.

Control is an illusion. If fear is the motivation for everything you do in your life, your experience will be mostly misery. The truth is that love is the only reason to do anything at all, and the reason we are living on this world.




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