psst..The Last Supper. can you identify the mystery? the deception?

The Last Supper

The secret is allegorically mentioned in Ezekiel 3. Can anyone identify it?

Can you pick up on how and why the secret was given to Jesus in order to deceive the people? This is found in Zechariah.

The Tanakh reveals the "matter of the Kings" ... if only more would shed their false gods and religions to actually see the Truth of the world written quite plainly there in front of us all.

Am curious to see if there are "those minds" coupled with "that heart" to be able to see the Truth. This is a fun challenge for when you see it, you will be amazed and no longer able to be deceived. Anyone?

You will have to REALLY want to know the Truth... I made the reference in Zechariah broad because I really wanted to know the Truth... thus, I will point the direction and even give you a specific (Ezekiel 3).. but to see the deception and why it took place.. you will have to do the work by reading Zechariah.

Again.. anyone REALLY intelligent enough to "see" it?

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I will look into it, but how is this a general conspiracy? Shouldn't this have been posted in Religious Conspiracies?

Originally posted by Enthralled Fan
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I will look into it, but how is this a general conspiracy? Shouldn't this have been posted in Religious Conspiracies?

Awesome! I am glad that one is willing to take the challenge. It is quite fun.

As for the other question.. ya know.. I am not really sure. I contemplated which to put it in myself. I personally do not subscribe to any religion.

The Truth is not religion, correct? It is the Truth. Religion is a dogmatic view which did not seem to fit the mystery of the painting.. nor the Tanakh (though it has been corrupted into such).

This could be a conspiracy of Art (since there are more mysteries of art explained in the Tanakh).

The Tanakh even talks about our birth certificates being slavery slips (found in Job for the *keen* eye.. though not hidden at all)... it is the mystery solved concerning Quantum Mechanics; it is the mystery of the Sphinx... I mean.. how does one call a book that it is merely a revealing of mysteries in the world.. well, how would that be called religion since religion confines and controls and the Truth sets free?

It is a writing... that does not make it religion.... and that was my reasoning for the general conspiracy choice.

I am not talking about G.d and since Jesus was not a god... well, I did not see it being religious.

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I looked and looked. Didn't see anything. What am i supposed to see?

Originally posted by justamomma
The secret is allegorically mentioned in Ezekiel 3. Can anyone identify it?

Hi, may I ask which translation you're using?

i'll take a crack at it. i'm using kjv, if you have a suggestion to look in another version, please tell me. be back shortly.


Love and Peace

Oh I know this one. There are twelve disciples that represent bloodlines. Similarly Mary Magdalene is in the painting with the one who is slashing at her throat, making her hidden bringing our total to thirteen disciples. Mary though was of half of another bloodline and was most likely Jesus's half sister. Similarly Julius Caesar adapted the 12 month calendar in 46 BC as opposed to the before 13 month calendar with thirteen zodiac stages, like the mayans. So Mary was getting cut out and became the hidden 13th Morivingian hidden bloodline while the other twelve would become known as the twelve tribes of Israel.

Ok. i've come to a rudimentary conclusion. i do not mean to offend anyone with the words i'm about to say. Please no offense, i'm just answering the OP as best as i can.

So, is Jesus really Joshua with a "role" to play and is being influenced by Lucifer to divide and tear apart The House of Israel? Possibly because the daughter of Jerusalem was being held captive, hence Mary Magdalene with the whole throat chopping gesture?

Joshua was given a new face and was given a roll to play. Jesus is pointing at the roll in The Last Supper.

"Satan" was at Joshua's right hand in the plains,where they were standing before God. In Ezekiel, theres mention of going to meet in the plains.

There appears to be a lot of talk about destroying the families of Israel, and such in zechariah. Possibly what Joshua was being told to do, in the guise of a dude named Jesus. He accepted the roll and as such had his image changed.

Also i see some evidence for UFOs and even extraterrestrial life, but i don't think that what your getting at.

And it seems to me that god in zechariah is very interested in loot. i mean highly interested in the wealth. not for his people, but the way its worded, it seems for himself maybe?

Also, theres mention of the four horsemen of apocolypse it seems in zechariah. Red horse, black horse, White horse.. Jesus was the pale horse?

But this is all just rambling. as of this moment im leaning towards the secret being that Jesus is Joshua, being influenced by "Satan" (Lucifer) to go create discord among the Jews.

You have to read ezekiel 3 as if its not being spoken about ezekiel. Then you'll see where i got all of this from.

Love and Peace

Yes I do see where you were getting at.

The answer is that those different cultures were having sex in Egypt and creating a better life for their children, by marrying into the empire they were made into survivors.

you're watchin the History channel....

Originally posted by Aleilius

Originally posted by justamomma
The secret is allegorically mentioned in Ezekiel 3. Can anyone identify it?

Hi, may I ask which translation you're using?

Yes.. I use the King James Version, but mind you... I did not gain knowledge of how to use it from the text alone.. it came through experiences and through understanding the Hebrew Text. However, what I have challenged you all with is something clearly w/in the KJV and does not require further study to understand...

Unless, and here is what I am interested in finding out.. unless one must pass through a test that is also written out allegorically (and can be seen in the KJV).

I gave you the texts in which I see it clearly.. of course, I may be seeing it on a deeper level since I did (unknowingly at the time, but very willingly nonetheless) go through the test. Surely, that is not what it will take though if it is pointed out.

will read the other responses to find out.

First, I must say that I am *VERY* glad to see that at least a few are willing to give the challenge a go! That gives much hope that at least a few are out to find the Truth.. though this is only a bit of the Truth. But it only takes a few with the Truth to make the difference.

M157yD4wn has come the closest with his pointing out of the "roll."

It really is written out clearly what that "roll" represents there in Ezekiel 3, no? (yes, KJV will work as the Hebrew text is not much different in this text).

What is the "roll" representing in Ezekiel?

Hint: it is the focus of conversation between the LORD and the partaker of the roll immediately upon the command to eat the roll.

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in the picture i see Jesus dividing the 12 disciples in to 2 groups of six on each side.. even the 2 groups of six are divided into groups of three...i think also that Joseph\Jesus where the same person and we could be looking at a picture of Joesph and his 12 brothers

There are many theories about this painting, the best is to be found on our own "Tinwiki":

The Last Supper Secret

Enjoy..nerb

What does a painting painted around 1499 have to do with anything? Are you saying Leonardo da Vinci had some secret knowledge of events that happened 1400 years before his birth?

arthistory.about.com...

uh. the Lord spoken of is not God? its a roman emperor? wtf? i'm really digging into this here. im trying, but i dont understand most of the bibles allegory. coming from a muslim, i'd probably be called a heathen for this, but, is it possible that a roman emperor was really behind jesus?

the "roll"represents gold?

im really trying. for some reason or other, i feel the need to discover what you have. i've read the OT and NT, but nothing in zechariah ever caught my eye.
And i'm using the tanakh for ezekiel, not kjv.

awww... sorry y'all! I have had so much coming at me and have somewhat neglected this thread, as well as the board in general.

I am just going to offer it out to you! Take it for what it is worth.

The "Roll" being offered out by "Jesus" in the painting is one and the same with the Roll being offered to the son of man in Ezekiel. The Son of man is the Word in the mouth of the flesh.... the Word = the Roll and Jesus is offering it to whomever would fulfill certain of tests... they would understand the Roll/ the Word of the LORD.

The Word was not bound to Jesus and in fact, the Word was sold out for 30 pieces of silver (the silver represents the vessels of the house of the LORD... aka actual children of G.d... house of Judah, lineage of David to be exact.. and can be found in Zechariah, which states that it was an husbandman.. and Genesis shows the false translation that we have taken of Zechariah... Genesis 9 to be exact). The Word could only be made alive by one who passed the tests as stated in the Tanakh.

1. The anointing... which Jesus quite clearly says is the tears of the truly broken hearted for mankind... from the vessel of a pure heart. It is mentioned in the Tanakh over and over.. one place that comes to mind is Ezekiel 9... Ezekiel actually says much as to how this would play out.. Isaiah is the most direct though. Daniel is very allegorical as with much of the Tanakh... and then quite a few other prophets were straight forward, but in regards to the Day of the LORD.. which the prophesied has experienced... quantum physics has much to do with that Day... quite terrifying in fact.. but not the eternal hell that most understand it to be.

2. The test of Job... Satan (aka self) declaring before G.d that they have walked to and fro to find a man with an upright heart and having not found them.. offered up "Job"... also... aka self. Job's test was not one of perfection...but rather one of an upright heart. To be shown that his heart would not be against G.d despite having everything.. security of faith, materialism, etc. taken away (not a test for the faint of heart; quantum physics.. matter vs anti matter.. security vs being exposed.. Truth vs. images).

3. A KNOWLEDGE of the thorny path that would be laid out should one accept it and a willing acceptance of it.

Thus, the fulfillment of Numbers 24: 17 "I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth."

This prophecy was not given by a "prophet" of G.d, but rather an astrologer who the LORD (the Word) used to declare what would happen... but He would only reveal the true meaning of this prophecy (which was not astrological.. as we have been taught w/ the east star leading the wise man... that was allegorical) to the Star.

The Star receiving the Golden Sceptre can be found in Esther. Funny, isn't it... how all of it was already declared and yet the stories we were given were false and misleading. *shrugs*

The three angels (witnesses) that are often depicted in most of the paintings are none other than Noah, Job, Daniel... which is depicting someone with flesh, tears, and understanding (awareness).. found in Ezekiel 14.

Now... go back through the Scriptures (the Tanakh.. aka Old (actually "Now") Testament) and look up the references in prophecies to see it is the female that engages them... not so much the man. The male is the Word and the Female is the Spirit that activates the Word when the time was to come.

This is also spoken of in Genesis 8 when the Raven (the Word) is sent from the ark to never return (translated in Isaiah) and the Dove (which is obviously allegorical considering it says "the sole of her foot"), the Spirit, looks for a willing vessel to accept the Word into herself.. thus, peace.

Interesting analogy if nothing else, no? The fall started with a woman and ends up with a woman.. who would have thunk?


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Originally posted by infolurker
What does a painting painted around 1499 have to do with anything? Are you saying Leonardo da Vinci had some secret knowledge of events that happened 1400 years before his birth?

arthistory.about.com...

Dang, well you are certainly a "stick in the mud." This is a conspiracy website no? So, I am just feeding the conspiracies in ways that make more sense than I have seen on this board.

Take 2 Peter for example... free masons, no? The "Jesus" conspiracy, according to the Tanakh was a cover up for the blood line of Judah being spread into the world to fulfill prophecies w/in the Laws of nature and reason, unlike the the paganistic view... which were outside of those laws. Da Vinci's "the last supper" painting's explanation is in Ezekiel 3... which was written PRIOR... Are we really *this* retarded we can't see the correlation?

uh. the Lord spoken of is not God? its a roman emperor? wtf? i'm really digging into this here. im trying, but i dont understand most of the bibles allegory. coming from a muslim, i'd probably be called a heathen for this, but, is it possible that a roman emperor was really behind jesus?

Ptolemy XV Casearion the last reigning pharoah of Egypt was born of Cleopatra (self proclaimed virgin goddess Isis) and Julius Caesar in 47 BC. In 46 BC Julius Caesar established the twelve month Julian calendar instead of the previous more accurate thirteen month calendar. Similarly at the time of 1 AD Jesus would have been one years old according to Biblical texts. Julius Caesar was stabbed to death in 44 BC. Cleopatra later made plans to have Caesarion exiled to India as the successor to the crown she feared for his life. Though history would have you believe that he was strangled to death in 30 BC by Octavian however there is no evidence that he was sstrangled to death and this happens to be the same time when he would have been exiled at age seventeen.

He would then go with his caretakers Mary and Joseph to India, chnaging his name to Esau (egyptian for Jesus, which means son of Isis) to conceal his identity as Caesarion.
He would later return to Alexandria Egypt after have studying the vedices and establish the Holy Roman Empire. Selene who was his half sister would have married him at this point as he was the rightful heir to the crown and of course this was the foundation of the Holy Roman Empire. Selene was the child of Cleopatra and Mark Anthony had a twin brother and another brother, I believe this is why often times mother mary is adorned with two gemini cherubs at her side.



Notice also she has a skeptor and a crown. Similarly here is a picture of Queen Elizabeth wearing her crown and holding her skeptor.



Here is a picture of Mary adorned with twelve stars around her head.



Similarly the crown has twelve stones placed around it.

The staff I believe has the most valuable diamond in the world.


www.houstonjewelry.com...

The Queen 's Scepter with the Cross, which is held in the Queen 's right hand (when the Queen is a consort and not a monarch) after she has been crowned is of gold and diamonds. It measures about two feet in length and at the top has a fleur-de-lis, diamond-set holding a gold orb with diamond-set firdle and arch surmounted in turn by a diamond-set cross. In the Queen 's Consort 's left hand is placed the Queen 's Ivory Rod, three and a half feel in length consisting of ivory joined together with bands of gold. At the top is a golden orb, richly enameled surmounted by a cross on which rests a dove with closed wings.

Then what is that under the throne? Could it be the Stone of Scone?