And so it starts! They are coming after your guns

I say let them.

The only reason I would disagree with gun control laws is for the American right to overthrow government. And lets face it, that's not going to happen anytime soon through laziness, and if it did, these laws would be ignored and unenforceable anyway.

Other than the immediate license fees, it has no effect on people who really wish to own guns.

I have always thought that the best way to control misuse of firearms is to increase the cost of ammunition.
Those who don't wish to fire them, have them for display, or for security can pay more for bullets they'll rarely, if ever, actually use.

Those who are more inclined to use such weapons for illegal purposes would find it increasingly hard to find ammunition. Less bullets would be neglectfully fired at innocent people if those bullets cost $10 a piece.

The only exception should be for those who have a license for using arms to hunt legally.

Am I the only person who thinks putting up the price of ammo is the most sensible control law?

reply to post by detachedindividual


Right. Because criminals, thieves and gang members always head to the local shop to buy bullets.

reply to post by detachedindividual


That's not going to be terribly effective. There are literally billions of rounds of ammunition already in the hands of the civilian population in the US. The ammunition supply isn't going to run out anytime soon. That said, that is the game that gun control advocates have been playing as of late. They don't want your gun so much as they want to make it all but impossible for you to use it.

BTW...the law could easily be circumvented by anyone with a black powder revolver and a few spare cylinders. Sure, its not as convenient as a modern weapon, but its more than effective enough.

In the end, I think the most sensible gun control laws are those that punish criminals, not law abiding citizens.

This bill has NO sponsors, It is not in committee, It not even being considered by anyone but the media. It's a non starter. This guy has been shooting off bills like this for years and nothing comes from it but alot of face time and recognition for this idiot in the MSM. Thats all it is folks, it ain't goin' no wheres!!!

Zindo

Has anyone ever tried the "They stole my rifle from my house/ car while on a hunting stop/ backwoods cabin" line before?

I don't know what happens when you report your guns stolen, but once the day comes that they use registered addresses to go door to door confiscating guns or threatening penalties, etc for noncompliance, wouldn't you have documentation claiming that your guns were stolen and that they can just bugger off?

reply to post by star in a jar


Thats a felony, and if the gun turns up in your possession after that time you are screwed! Not a smart idea!!

Zindo

This is why I went out and bought all my weapons legally before this nut job was elected. What's the NRA doing about this bill? What's the ACLU doing about this bill? More importantly what is the American people going to do about this bill? This is one of the most important rights we have as Americans. Just like the patriot act, and so many bills that have passed into law, the American people will be sleeping at the wheel.

Gee lets see, FEMA camps are now legal, now there going after our guns, I wonder why.

Yes I know everyone is too busy trying to stay afloat in these hard times but seriously I'd miss work or loose my job to fight against something like this. Anyone else very pissed off about this? Or am I just one of those "gun nuts"?

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
reply to post by detachedindividual

 

Right. Because criminals, thieves and gang members always head to the local shop to buy bullets.

Thank you, the only thing that would create is a greater demand to buy ammo through illegal means.

I am not a militant. I am not a troublemaker and I have never taken anything that did not belong to me intentionally.

I am probably fit closer to the description of a pacifist then not but I can not stress strongly enough how important it is that we do “not” allow them take away our guns.

I would never use a gun against another even to spare my own life. I would however use one to spare your or a loved one’s.

We should not have to decide the innocent and guilty by the possession of a gun. Having one does not make you a criminal and not having one does not make you innocent.

The government can not police their own. They don’t even know the person that sits beside them in the chambers were they make the decisions that affect out lives.

Capitol Hill is crawling with corruption and immorality. They can no longer recognize what is good or what is evil and I do not trust them to make that decision for me.

I know that they can not protect my family and I resent them for trying to prevent me from at least trying.

Do “Not” Let Them Take Our Guns.

If you do not make a stand for anything else make a stand for this or it will be the last opportunity that you will have to stand for anything.

This is disturbing. There are far too many people who will not surrender, but are not criminals. Notice they do not intend to do it the same way as in other countries but in little pushes.

The worst part will be that they will offer incentives for people to snitch on each other. When people are starving they will tell.

Oh it is good my Dad is no longer alive to see this day.

reply to post by RFBurns


What part of infringe do you not understand?? To make me have to license it is infringing upon my rights. I've purchased it, I've legally acquired it. It's none of the government's damn business. Any intrusion is an infringement. You do know, there are online dictionaries where you can look up words you can't quite comprehend??

Originally posted by antar
This is disturbing. There are far too many people who will not surrender, but are not criminals. Notice they do not intend to do it the same way as in other countries but in little pushes.

The worst part will be that they will offer incentives for people to snitch on each other. When people are starving they will tell.

Oh it is good my Dad is no longer alive to see this day.

I will openly say I will never openly surrender my arms, I don't care if that makes me a target. I want anyone to be aware that there are millions like me and I rather give up my right arm, my own life then give into gun confiscation.

I'm not saying I have a snow balls chance in hell against armed military groups but it's the simple principle, that's worth fighting for. I've obeyed all the gun laws, I'm law abiding, this is plain and simple a threat against my right to bear arms. I have the full support of the 2nd amendment, if the day ever comes where there taking that away we all won't go quietly.

In nature I'm a peaceful person, I'd never hurt a soul but I am a student of history. I know one of the last rights we have in this country is the right to bear arms and there is a strong movement against my right to bear arms. As a person who believes in this country I'll fight any attempt to take any right away that is Constitutionally sound.

Originally posted by detachedindividual
Those who are more inclined to use such weapons for illegal purposes would find it increasingly hard to find ammunition. Less bullets would be neglectfully fired at innocent people if those bullets cost $10 a piece.

Am I the only person who thinks putting up the price of ammo is the most sensible control law?

Right, kind of how it is nearly impossible to find coc aine on a street corner since it's illegal/expensive right? Who are you trying to fool?

No you are not the only one who thinks that way, and that's the scary part! Driving up the price, or making something illegal only creates a black market.

I don't see this going through, but it is the beginning of something bigger.

Gun registration and owner licensing has been the bulwark of liberal politicians since the start of the 20th century. It is updated and made more possible with more modern technology now in the 21st century but it still has the same impetus.

If the United States accepts this and allows this unconstitutional law to pass it will be up to the people to repeal it at what ever cost necessary. The majority rule is democracy. It is mob rule and we all know that a mob can be stampeded in what ever direction the elitist wish.

The reason for vigilance in defense of the Constitution and the reason it seems so unreasonable to those who are being stampeded in the wrong direction is that only the few are educated in history and understand the reason for the rule of law in a Republic, and the consequences for abandoning our principles for group conformity often by reason of crisis.

Problem - Reaction - Solution.

This will I think not pass because no crisis exists that can be used to drive it through. Like the misnamed and unconstitutional Patriot Act could never have been passed without a convenient crisis. We have to be vigilant of course but I would not worry much about this one passing even with a liberal controlled government. There are quite a few blue dog Dems in the House and Senate. They will vote along with the Repubs against this measure.

reply to post by oconnection


I will be standing and ready to fight right next to you friend

reply to post by LLoyd45


This is the kinda ad that should be on Tv. Won't happen though, cause the press is still deeply in obamas camp.

Well I wrote my Rep and asked him to oppose HR 45, I'll have to wait and see what he has to say now... I urge you all to do the same.

Originally posted by invisibleman11
the NRA actually pushes anti-gun laws. sounds crazy but its true, look it up

YEAH, suuuure they do. Are you kidding me? The NRA is the one Organization which has done more to Protect and Preserve our 2nd Amendment Rights, than any other grouping of People Still Alive. I used to think of the NRA as a kind of "On-The-Edge" Group, but since I learned more and more about the ever present Assaults on our Right to Bear Arms, I have come to Respect and Cherish them for all which they have done for us.

American men and thier fear of losing thier confidence...oops guns... How many of you people have to be killed by guns that you bought legally and had stolen before you realize you gun owners are the main reason these criminals are armed in the first place. It`s a real simple concept....law abiding citizens arm themselves....so criminals arm themselves and next thing you know....BOOM someones dead and it usually is the law abider.

reply to post by riggs2099


thats a common and dangerous misconception. places that have banned guns like washigton D.C have seen an INCREASE in violent crimes. D.C is the murder capital of the country, yet guns are out-lawed there, explain that since you know the issue so well. so can guns be considered a deterrent to crime. because i sure as hell know im not robbing a store owner that has a 12 ga. behind the counter.
its not the gun thats the problem its the society
oh and by the way it not the "fear of loosing our confidence...ooops guns" its the fear of loosing are constitutional rights. no need to be an ass...ooops rude.

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