why all the police hatred?

Originally posted by alyosha1981
The hatred for any group is unaceptable for people trying to " get to the next level" it will only hinder progress.

You've got to be a Mason right?
The next level?
Or are you playing a computer game?Xbox or something?

why all the police hatred?

I don't hate all cops, no way!.
But it seems to be a trend that is growing in the last 5 years for Police to becoming more corrupt and unprofessional.
As we evolve this is supposed to decrease, not increase.
I believe it has partly to do with the "Maximum" IQ level to be able to join, set by the corrupt handlers.
The corrupt leaders want dumb robotic drones who just do as they are told whether its right or wrong.
They want there own little private henchman army, and they want use to pay for it.
I know several Police personally who have left because of this.
They joined the Police to help people, not kill them on command from a corrupt loony.

reply to post by whoshotJR


I've been many things: military, a shrimper, an electrician, a college instructor, a computer salesman, consultant. I know a thing or two about truly dangerous jobs.

I didn't "pull a shotgun", I displayed it (totally different) when he refused to leave where he was unwanted and threatened further violence. The fact that you would think I was wrong about preventing harm to my family, that I should have let him beat her again tells me volumes about YOUR character. Especially when the local cops had already shown no inclination to uphold the law for a "g-d squaw" as they referred to her.

I've interacted with police on a number of different levels and situations in my life, some pleasant and some very scary. Being an Apache is apparently sufficient cause in some jurisdictions to be assumed a criminal and subjected to indignities.

I have no problem with good officers, but I detest criminals under the color of authority.

reply to post by apacheman




Dont ever let anyone tell you that you were wrong for defending your family....man, woman, beast or cop....you do what must be done.

You did the right thing even when in the face of certain police retaliation...that should be applauded.

reply to post by whoshotJR


Check out the numbers Forbes provides on dangerous jobs... here
Police didn't even make it to the list of top ten.

And again here on CNN cop doesn't even make it to the list of ten dangerous.

The teller at the local Seven Eleven after midnight is braver and in more danger than the cop....

You can't deny statistics that are being promoted by the media can you?

Originally posted by apacheman
reply to post by whoshotJR

 

Whoop-te-doo. I didn't say they never got killed, I said their work is not nearly as dangerous as most other professions. In comparison to the 1554 transportation workers who died in the line of duty, and the 1184 construction workers who died on the job those numbers are miniscule. Hell, even farming is more dangerous.

I just don't think they should go on and on about how dangerous their work is when in point of fact is is relatively safe. Especially I don't think they deserve special treatment and immunity from the laws they impose on others with such relish.

Actually you said their job wasn't dangerous.

"Cops do themselves a great disservice by claiming to have dangerous jobs wherein they risk their lives just by being cops, trying to protect us and promote justice: all those are patently, provably false. Police work is extremely safe, and would be even safer if they would try patience and understanding rather than arrogance and power-tripping. Truly dangerous professions are firefighting, crabfishing, roofer, construction, taxi driver, pizza delivery, hooker:

money.cnn.com...
www.bls.gov...

Stressful, yes, dangerous, no. "

But now your backtracking. Also by your logic I guess not enough people in the military die each year for you to consider their job dangerous either. This is just using your links provided because they don't top the list.

Another problem is that looking at total deaths per 100,000 employee's messes up the percentages. Either way you cut the facts the job is dangerous and you can count on just about every other day a police officer will be dead or 438 officers will get hurt some how per day.

Maybe you tell the family's of the 50 police that died in 9/11 their loved one didn't have a dangerous job and was probably a mafia like brute who abused his/her power and didn't try and protect the people.

Without these men and women doing their jobs you wouldn't be on here flaming them freely. Guess what would have happened if you mouthed off to cops in Iran like you probably did with your sister or pulled a shotgun out? You would be dead. Without police on the streets you couldn't strive to have a better job or life because of crime. If you think you have it so bad here with our corrupt cops I suggest you pack your bags and find some place else to live.

So again what do you do for a living? How many times have you been arrested?

Originally posted by AllTiedTogether



The teller at the local Seven Eleven after midnight is braver and in more danger than the cop....

How is he braver? he's not chasing crack dealers through alleys while being shot at, conducting highspeed persuits going the wrong way in traffic, entering buildings looking for armed robbers ect ect I'm not discounting his job but jeeesh come on a cop's job and a store clerk's job are two differant things.

reply to post by apacheman


Apacheman, I aplaude you for standing up for your family, it's a good thing that you did not go to jail for it. The majority of cops do not racialy profile but it seems they do in your area thats unfortunate and it goes to show my overall point about some out of all being "bad"

Originally posted by BorgHoffen

You've got to be a Mason right?
The next level?

Or are you playing a computer game?Xbox or something?

No not a mason, and I should have been more clear in this, meaning [we] as a society developing mentaly, evolving. No I'm not playing a video game either. I'm at work so some of my posts get cut short out of time.

reply to post by whoshotJR


Again, relative to other work, not particularly dangerous. I didn't backtrack, just because a few get killed doesn't make the job dangerous.

The military is truly dangerous: I know because I spent a lot of years in some pretty dangerous places, getting shot at, freezing my butt off, enduring typhoons, blizzards, monsoons, and what have you. I lost a lot of good friends along the way.

How does using a standard metric mess anything up except keep you from distorting the reality?

What do you want to tell the families of the many more people that the cops kill every day? They kill and injure an awful lot more people than they lose.

9/11 was a one-off: pull those stats out the picture and the death rate goes down even further. And note a whole lot more firemen than cops died that day.

And I never, ever mouth off to cops: that is an extremely dangerous pastime only fools and the ignorant indulge in.

Furthermore, I'll reiterate: I didn't "pull a shotgun", I displayed it. For the ignorant, "pulling a shotgun" means to level it at a foe; displaying it merely indicates it is available if needed without even having to pick it up. In actual fact I merely walked over to where it leaned against the wall and pointedly stood there.

why don't you look at www.abovetopsecret.com... and you'll understand.

The bad eggs never get thrown out of the fridge

reply to post by alyosha1981


He's probably going to get robbed during his short duty as a night teller before being robbed or assaulted... Cops tend to bring alot of what happens on themselves. Either having no business harassing these people or abusing their authority as a cop(see thug).

I think you may have some weight to your argument if you could show me a bunch of these cops that are in the video footage getting proper justice served on their own for breaking the laws that they swore to protect.

And please don't make the military seem like their any better. They break the law even more and work with them.... I did their dirty deeds for 26yrs, whether you believe me or not I know that the way the system is now you can not expect any cop to standup for the law. His first will probably be his last. Serpico rings a bell as one of the first and the beginning.

Don't try to preach to the choir... Wasn't there a movie about cops covering for their own.. "The Choir Boys"... Is that ARt imitates life or life .... oh well....

I understand what you are saying, that not all are bad. Not all of Hitler's men were bad either. They just continued to follow orders that they knew were morally wrong and against the laws of humanity and watched and did nothing as Hitler waged war. But they're not bad. Just like the cops...



Rgds

I won't deny the dangerous jobs that exsist in our society, but I will stick to my opinion that being a police officer is in fact a dangerous position to be in. (1) you have to carry a weapon, (2) you patrol the streets, (3) you respond to calls often times dealing with violence often times having to use violence to quell the situation. (4) this thread proves the hatred of police officers( cop killers don't stop to ask "are you a good cop or a bad one"?) (5) any routine traffic stop could become deadly at a moments notice, (6) any call could become deadly at a moments notice (7) cops are routinely targeted ( as well as their families) in retaliation for arresting.

Gang members find "bragging" rights in assualting or killing a cop and usually gain rank by doing so. The scary thing here is unlike a pizza delivery man or woman who is killed or assualted for the money they carry most cops fall victim simply because of what they represent.

reply to post by alyosha1981


Forget what you see on tv...most cops' lives are deadly dull, there aren't really that many high speed chases and every one of then utterly unnecessary: we have radios, video cameras, choppers and computers these days. All that is necessary is to keep the vehicle in sight until he stops or runs out of gas. Making it a high-speed drama is just endangering the public to allow a few cops to get an adrenalin rush. Again, patience and good cop work would negate the need for chases.

A seven-eleven clerk goes to work without a weapon, but the criminals come to him. In some neighborhoods, a seven-eleven clerk has more violent dangerous encounters than a dozen cops put together. He doesn't have a gun, zero backup, and is paid squat, but does it to feed his or her family, sometimes paying with his or her life at more than twice the rate of cops. How is that not brave? No limelight, no respect, no status and twice as dangerous as police work, so you can buy chips whenever you feel like it.

The cop has immense backup, lethal weapons, training, radios, night-vision, choppers, dogs, body armor, and complete freedom to shoot to kill.

Please.


Have a little more respect for your fellow citizens' daily bravery.

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reply to post by AllTiedTogether

posted by AllTiedTogether
I think you may have some weight to your argument if you could show me a bunch of these cops that are in the video footage getting proper justice served on their own for breaking the laws that they swore to protect.

Here you go,






[edit on 5-2-2009 by alyosha1981]

Originally posted by apacheman
reply to post by alyosha1981

 

Forget what you see on tv...most cops' lives are deadly dull, there aren't really that many high speed chases and every one of then utterly unnecessary: we have radios, video cameras, choppers and computers these days. All that is necessary is to keep the vehicle in sight until he stops or runs out of gas. Making it a high-speed drama is just endangering the public to allow a few cops to get an adrenalin rush. Again, patience and good cop work would negate the need for chases.

A seven-eleven clerk goes to work without a weapon, but the criminals come to him. In some neighborhoods, a seven-eleven clerk has more violent dangerous encounters than a dozen cops put together. He doesn't have a gun, zero backup, and is paid squat, but does it to feed his or her family, sometimes paying with his or her life at more than twice the rate of cops. How is that not brave? No limelight, no respect, no status and twice as dangerous as police work, so you can buy chips whenever you feel like it.

The cop has immense backup, lethal weapons, training, radios, night-vision, choppers, dogs, body armor, and complete freedom to shoot to kill.

Please.


Have a little more respect for your fellow citizens' daily bravery.

[edit on 5-2-2009 by apacheman]

apacheman, I was not saying that the lives of avrage citizens do not entail some bravery and maybe my idea of what bravery is and what your idea of it is are differant I'm not sure. The conveinence store clerk for example like the cop chose to do that line of work knowing full well the dangers, now unlike the clerk who when threatned must give up the register's money the police officer is expected to control the situation and aprehend the crook, putting him or herself in danger in the process.The clerk has no such directives quite the oppisite, they are to avoid confrontation.

I do agree that specifically 7-11 clerks do have it rougher then most in their proffesion as the company does not provide an enclosure for them. They do however utilize time lock safes which criminals are becoming more and more aware of, the clerk cannot physically open it until it becomes time to do so, usually when the manager/owner wants to make a deposit.

reply to post by alyosha1981


Sorry, but those are kind of lame examples: the last is from England, so is not germane to a discussion of American cops. The first was so heinous not even other cops would cover for him. The second is pretty lightweight.

It's not that a few aren't caught and prosecuted: it is that it is so rarely done.

reply to post by alyosha1981


OK now can I post my links of them not reporting it??? I'll put a post with all the links I can find of a cop watching another cop breaking the law and that it is not reported or nothing is done about it. You can do the same for your end of the story....

I did say "some weight" because I know that their are cops that report. I did say that in a previous post. That they'll report one time and then they'll be black listed on the force and end up quitting or being killed. Or they shut up and become like the criminal that they don't report.

Dangerous? Only in their minds.... How many people have been murdered by the cops with a taser??? In the thousands worldwide.... Even video of them tasering a man that was burned from a car wreck and bleeding badly. The cop didn't want to get blood from the victim on him so he tased him. What kind of stupidity is that?

They tasered a kid in Canada for not paying for a two dollar bus ride. And the kid didn't even argue.

Police hatred? Not hatred. Police distrust..

Sorry I find it even hard to write "Police"; it's too respectable a term... That's why I use the word cop. It signifies the copper finish of the badge... Not shiny and respectable but a tarnished ugly sign of corruption. Kind of describes the majority of them right there.

reply to post by apacheman


Sorry I'm at work and timewise unable to do an in depth search int the subject, I will latter though. But that goes to show you that cops do get prosecuted for their actions.

reply to post by AllTiedTogether


Ok here you go

FMPD Officer arrested for DUI; Calls arresting deputy part of KKK

link


And

WASHINGTON -- WTOP Radio has learned a District police officer has been arrested for allegedly shooting another officer.

link


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reply to post by alyosha1981


Yes, our ideas of what constitutes bravery are probably quite different.

For instance, once my lady and I were going to the casino so she could play bingo (which I hate, btw, lol). On the way the car overheated, so we pulled into a small shopping center to let it cool while we enjoyed a beer. While we were there, this tweeker dude came in, scrounged enough change from his pockets to buy a beer and sat down next to my lady. I didn't care for his look, so I kept an eye on his spirit. After a little bit I went out to check on the car, and he came out shortly thereafter, went to his truck and pulled out a rifle or shotgun, I forget, and went back into the bar. A terrified customer ran out the back and by me telling me he was robbing the bar.

I knew my lady wouldn't give up her bingo money for any reason, so I knew I had to go back in and do something before someone got hurt. I put myself into invisible mode and stepped back in and assessed the situation. The robber was on the edge of stupidity, so I decided to give him more than he could deal with in a way that would get him to leave. So I walked up to just behind him and to his right, then uncovered my spirit and calmly asked my woman if she was okay. She replied and turned her back to the guy and lit a cigarette. I looked him in the eye, nodded as if nothing was amiss and went and sat down next to my lady, picked up my beer and told her how the car was doing. As I expected, this was too much for him and he ran out of the back of the bar and was picked up by the cops after he tried robbing a nearby cowboy bar (they beat the crap out him before calling the cops to pick him up.

Was I brave? Not particularly: I was trained, experienced and skilled in ways he couldn't comprehend; he merely had a gun, no contest.