PBS airs footage of Bin Laden's logistic center... and his phone number!

Nova episode on February 3rd, 2009 on the NSA, revealed some startling information about Al Qaeda. They revealed that Bin Laden was using a satellite phone to communicate with his logistics center in Yemen. They also revealed his precise satellite phone number and they showed pictures of the precise building where his logistics center was operating out of. Now if Bin Laden was still alive and actively in charge of Al Qaeda, then it would be monumentally stupid for US Intelligence to allow Bin Laden to be tipped off that he should stop using his satellite phone and shift his logistics operations somewhere else. Nova CLEARLY had permission to reveal this information. They were interviewing NSA employees. so I can only surmise that either A) Bin Laden is dead so it doesn't matter anymore if they reveal his phone # or B) Bin Laden was and still is a willing accomplice of the CIA and doesn't care if everyone else knows about his phone number and logistics center because the CIA will let him go right on using them.

Other revealing tidbits in the show. NSA were tracking the alleged hijackers up to two years prior to 9/11 when they entered the US and deliberately and consciously refused to share that info with FBI. Three weeks after 9/11, Bush signs executive order giving NSA carte blanche for electronic eavesdropping on US citizens which the NSA proceeds to do with a vengeance. The program clearly states in no uncertain terms that every single phone call, email, fax, etc. sent or received by Americans, is recorded and sifted by the NSA. BIG BROTHER HAS ARRIVED!

(Title edited: Original title was "PBS says Bin Laden is dead" -- but in fact the program did not announce his death.)

[edit on 4-2-2009 by Byrd]

I have seen pictures of Bin Laden over a few years. the last 3 are questionable if its even him. The Experts that say the tapes are him are just keeping us on a string so we have the ghost of Al Quida as far as Im concerned. When he was asked about 911 right after it happened, he said he had nothing to do with it. Why would he say that if he wanted to make such a huge statement. He may have known people who were involved but IMO he had nothing to do with it. I may be wrong, but I dont think so.

The NSA is in the business of Data mining. Its about phone calls, emails, texting, and instant messaging. They are able to monitor all of these with computers and use mathmatics to take out the interesting ones. its about key words, Ive seen ATS members list a bunch of the key words so we all could enjoy them. Things like bomb, terrorist, koran, those are obvious ones. Im not sure but the data mining may be worldwide. I know its most of the world.

Most people here know about this stuff but if not, read up on the NSA, Echelon, HAARP, and from there you will find more and more fun stuff.

reply to post by tommyb98201

I was aware of the NSA's snooping before but what really amazed me was that they would let NOVA reveal that info about the satellite phone # and the exact building where his logistics and communications nerve center was. Anyone with half a brain will immediately realize that the NSA would never allow that info to go public unless it didn't matter anymore. Even if Bin Laden already new his phone was being tapped, he would find another way to communicate with his Yemen logistics center. Now the whole world knows that 'this building over there is Al Qaeda's communications center.." I have believed that Bin Laden was/is a willing CIA operative ever since I learned (I think from either NOVA or Frontline program) that the Bin Laden family bought control of the bankrupt company that operates those satellites which those phones use, and are subsidizing it's operation even though it's losing money like crazy. Why would they do that unless the CIA asked them to in order to keep Osama in business.

reply to post by Studenofhistory


I saw this and tried to call the number when it poeed up on screen, unfortunately it was not connected

I though it was a bit weird also.

reply to post by afaik


Dude, you better watch out. You tried to call the number. Better sleep after about 3:30 am. probably wan't the smartest thing to do. uh. Good luck with that one.

Love and Peace

haha i just got why so many people want to believe cia hang with al'q - apart from that it's almost a proven fact - you don't to believe EVERYONE hates your old president, hehe sorry even an old arab in a cave can outsmart former president bush and all your secret services.

The cia like to spread inside america the illusion of control, they want it to look like the whole world is locked down so that you must obey them or suffer in some awful land. They want you to think that they are some ultra powerful all seeing eye but they aren't - they're confused old men in a changed world desperately trying to cling onto the old ways.

Originally posted by M157yD4wn
reply to post by afaik

 

Dude, you better watch out. You tried to call the number.

Yeah, me and the other 20,000 people who were watching and had a phone within reach

And now all of you are on the red list because curiosity killed the cat. But seriously, i didn't get to watch it. i probably would have tried to call it too. Did they flash it across the screen, or put it up, like an advertisment?

reply to post by afaik


Thats too funny, when OJ was on trial for murder his phone bill was being used for evidence if I remember correctly and it was zoomed in and shown on TV and on top of the phone bill was his home #.

I called it and a sheriff deputy picked up so I hung up right away. The cops never called back or came after me in any way.

Originally posted by M157yD4wn
And now all of you are on the red list because curiosity killed the cat.

But seriously, i didn't get to watch it. i probably would have tried to call it too.

Did they flash it across the screen, or put it up, like an advertisment?

It was like one of those damn telemarketing ads.

The background went dark then this number in BIG RED text displayed across the screen.

It was beging to be rung!

The only thing they didn't do was make it flash on and off and throw in a set of steak knives

reply to post by afaik


Well you certainly got some brass ones to try calling that number, indeed. You should get a star for that act alone.

I will speculate here and say, it is possible that number is routed into some alphabet agency computer system.. and now they are tracking your location. If you were calling from a cellphone, you are screwed.
"They" either either have your name and number in the database, and will soon know what time you urinate in the morning, so I advise you to take that [battery] out... GPS is still on if your phone has the batt, and chill out for a few. You definately deserve it.

Carry on,


reply to post by Studenofhistory


I have often thought that OBL was dead, and the tapes that have surfaced over that last few years seem to solidify that idea to me.

Videos aside, I do remember hearing something that may pertain to the matter at hand, it was a statement from Benazir Bhutto that said OBL had died... or is at least dead. Aha, here you go.

Omar Sheikh Murdered Bin Laden? FFW to around the 2 minute 20 second mark

Quite the statement 'eh?
I recall There was another interview of her that was stating something to the effect of "Bin Laden died in Pakistan" in some hospital. I can't for the life of me dig that one up ATM.

I will refrain from ideas now, until I can get that link.

Oh, and I too believe he is dead.
Next time anyone tries to call, ya gotta use the secret question.... "May I please speak with Tim Osmond?"

Assets schmassets...

T-

[added helpful hint]


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[edit on 09/2/3 by telemetry]

Originally posted by telemetry
reply to post by afaik

 

Well you certainly got some brass ones to try calling that number, indeed. You should get a star for that act alone.

I will speculate here and say, it is possible that number is routed into some alphabet agency computer system.. and now they are tracking your location. If you were calling from a cellphone, you are screwed.
"They" either either have your name and number in the database, and will soon know what time you urinate in the morning, so I advise you to take that [battery] out... GPS is still on if your phone has the batt, and chill out for a few. You definately deserve it.

Carry on,

I used our landline.
How's that!

I am not concerned that this has put me in any worse position than my regular letters to the local rag, or my emails to local members and politicians, or the collection of politically based T Shirts that get worn regularly have done.

No doubt Echelon have had me marked for ages, so as I have already lost my virginity, I am not too concerned.

Cheers.

How's that?
Awesome!

(still stuck on a landline myself)

Glad to see I'm not alone

So what is your take on this idea of OBL being dead, or else you wouldn't have called.. (would you?)

Just curious.



cheers,
T-

reply to post by Studenofhistory

You are correct, Mark Klein brought it up.

Room 641a - high speed fiber interception of all domestic and international comms

It was part of the whole FISA retroactive immunity deal.

reply to post by telemetry


Bin laden was running a telethon He needs money and support. Just look at the communications shed, this needs remodeling. Plus, Jesus loves you. Donate please. lmao. i bet osama was screening calls. "Damn Infidels, cannot leave me in peace, i will post a video condemning PBS"

Originally posted by telemetry


So what is your take on this idea of OBL being dead, or else you wouldn't have called.. (would you?)

As I have no way of "knowing", I would assume (from reports of him being treated at that US base, the comments from Benazir Bhutto saying he's been assasinated and the lack of his head on a stake on the Whitehouse lawn) he is long dead.

Starred and flagged.

For those of us still a little bit slow on this war Of Terror business, we now have more evidence - which those of us who are AWAKE don't really need - that OBL is

• a CIA asset and
  
• dead
  

Just in case the following hadn't already been enough:

• the CIA station chief visited OBL in hospital in Summer 2001 (flowers? grapes? probably classified for the next hundred years)
  
• the more recent videos (especially the one where OBL "took credit" for 9/11) clearly featured lookalikes - and not particularly good ones, either
  
• the FBI aren't pursuing him for the 9/11 attacks for "lack of evidence" - which, if western intelligence services knew his satphone number, seems unlikely
  
• ISI Director Lt. Gen. Mahmood Ahmed is at a breakfast meeting at the Capitol with the chairmen of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, Senator Bob Graham (D) and Representative Porter Goss (R), a 10-year veteran of the CIA’s clandestine operations wing:it's Ahmed, not OBL, who had previously wired 10,000 dollars to Mohammed Atta
  

... and that's just off the top of my head.

Originally posted by rich23

ISI Director Lt. Gen. Mahmood Ahmed is at a breakfast meeting at the Capitol with the chairmen of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, Senator Bob Graham (D) and Representative Porter Goss (R), a 10-year veteran of the CIA’s clandestine operations wing:it's Ahmed, not OBL, who had previously wired 10,000 dollars to Mohammed Atta

... and that's just off the top of my head.

Wasn't it one of Ahmed's foot soldiers that actually made the transfer?

(Off the top of my head)

Not to rain on the parade or anything but the OP misunderstood the program.

The NSA refused to be a part of the PBS "The Spy Factory" program tonight.

The Yemen call center was the one used for the pre 9/11 attacks(narobi, us cole, 9/11) also the phone number was also a pre 9/11 number of a sat phone bought in NY if I remember they said in 1998(may be wrong on that but it was def pre 9/11)

I do not recall hearing the program say that Bin Laden was dead either.

Also off the top of my head, Bin Laden was reported dead and buried by at least two Muslim media sources. Once in 2002 and again a year or two later. Cause of death reports range from an air raid in Pakistan to kidney failure while in hiding.

There's little evidence he's alive either. The various tapes, audio and video, released in the last 5 years are almost unquestionably phony. Likely scripted by American turned Al Gaida .Adam Gadahn, with their frozen frames, a fat guy in a beard who doesn't remotely resemble OBL, they are not even up to the standards of high school pranksters on Yuotube. One can imply their obvious fakery is some sort of disinformation in itself.


But the Bush administration and the radicalized Muslim world both wanted him alive and kicking, alternately as a demon and a hero.

Of course one has to be prepared for the real possibility his death reports and unavailability are ploys to deflect from his real whereabouts and activities. Some reports of him hiding in Iran, where notably one of his sons is known to be.

Take your pick of versions. My guess is he died very unheroically not long after 9/11.


Mike F