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Originally posted by ImaNutter
Answer me one question... how is this not a humans rights/equal rights issue? Are you saying that homosexuals are not human or they don't deserve equal rights? Please... just answer me that one question, straight forward, to the best of your ability.
[edit on 4-2-2009 by ImaNutter]
You still didn't explain why Christians are allowed to break the rules but homosexuals aren't. God is Love.
Originally posted by Aermacchi
Here is your coherant argument smart guy andf if you would read the thread for once you would know that I have already addressed these yes IGNORANT arguments for the umpteenth time
12 arguments and ALL of them have yet to be refuted
Read em and weep
Bad argument No. 1
"Gay marriage is a basic human right."
There are huge differences between constitutional rights with few restrictions (such as the rights to life or free speech) and other rights with important restrictions, which do not carry the right of universal access. We already recognize that not everyone has the right to enlist in the army, but that one must be of the proper age, physical condition, citizenship, and philosophy—anarchists and pacifists need not apply. We also agree that certain persons do not have the right to marriage—children, multiple partners, family members, and those already married.
Originally posted by Aermacchi
You guys bring up well known Christians that have screwed up in their Christian walk as if being a Christian is an easy thing to do.
IT ISN'T!
In fact YOU should EXPECT Christians, like you should expect ALL mankind to screw up!
Since when did you or anyone else think Christians were perfect?
Ill give you a clue,
THEY AREN'T PERFECT!
When God gave moses the ten commandments, it was the law and it proves to us that man can't even follow ten much less alll those man has made for himself.
It was to show us we can't do it on our own and IF we could, then who needs a savior?
Originally posted by ImaNutter
You still didn't explain why Christians are allowed to break the rules but homosexuals aren't. God is Love.
Originally posted by detroitslim
So marriage is equatable to enlisting in the army? Should people getting married also be subjected to age limits, weight limits, and political litmus tests before being wed?
To the contrary, the army has use for women, the disabled, and even has duties suitable for pacifists. Not everyone has the right to suit up with infantry and head for the front lines, but that's because of the physical expectations that come with that duty. I'm not sure what part of marriage requires 30 pushups in 60 seconds, or the ability to carry a 40 pound pack on a 5 mile hike. Can you enlighten me?
As for the concept of "restrictions", civil rights are only restricted in cases that would cause undue harm or would endanger others. The classic example of yelling "fire" in a crowded theater, for example. Or the inability to run some annoying asshole off the road for cutting you off.
Marriage is a social contract available to any consenting adult. Prisoners on death row can be married. Almost any two drunks on the Las Vegas strip can get married at any hour of the day. Allowing two women to marry has zero effect on the lives of the rest of the citizenry. There's nothing that needs to be restricted, because there is no net negative effect.
Not one of your silly arguments puts forward any negative impact (except for one debunked study) that gay marriage poses to society at large. None. Nada. Zero. Zilch. You've listed thirteen reasons why people don't like gay marriage, but not a single one provides any legal basis to deny it.
Originally posted by detroitslim
Originally posted by Aermacchi
Learn the constitution for pete's sake
[edit on 4-2-2009 by Aermacchi]
I would advise you to study up on the constitution as well. My draft of the constitution has a preamble declaring all men are created equal, and have inalienble rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Originally posted by UltraAgentGirl
Originally posted by detroitslim
Originally posted by Aermacchi
Learn the constitution for pete's sake
[edit on 4-2-2009 by Aermacchi]
I would advise you to study up on the constitution as well. My draft of the constitution has a preamble declaring all men are created equal, and have inalienble rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
However, you left this part out:
"THAT THEY ARE ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR WITH CERTAIN UNALIENABLE RIGHTS"
And it does not guarantee happiness, just the pursuit of it.
Originally posted by FritosBBQTwist
It is easy people to vote no because they are just simply disgusted at something...but I guarantee you that if you have a 30 minute talk about individual rights and what these people ever done to harm you, 90% of them would change their mind.
The people who voted no against this proposition are not bad people. Even I would have said no to something such as gay marriage until I came to a website like ATS and realized that rights are ever so important and that I was the one being selfish.
This needs to be done at one time though. To legalize the marriage of gays only in certain areas would flood those spots with gays. Now, as a straight male so still supports gay marriage, I would want to move out of such an area if all my neighbors were like that. So, legalize it nationally all at the same time, and we have the gay and straight populations in the same exact spots as before, with no true changes to living style.
Originally posted by Aermacchi
Get a life guy HOWS THIS FOR AN ANSWER
IT's AGAINST THE LAW!
YOU DON'T LIKE IT
TUFF!
Originally posted by detroitslim
Originally posted by Aermacchi
Get a life guy HOWS THIS FOR AN ANSWER
IT's AGAINST THE LAW!
YOU DON'T LIKE IT
TUFF!
Ah, the last refuge of the scoundrel. When there is no reason in your arsenal, all that's left is name-calling.
Aermacchi, you are the absolute embodiment of the reasons I support gay marriage. You attack it with rancor, instead of logic, compassion, or reason. Then you would dictate how others live their lives by the terms of your religion.
Originally posted by detroitslim
Originally posted by Aermacchi
Get a life guy HOWS THIS FOR AN ANSWER
IT's AGAINST THE LAW!
YOU DON'T LIKE IT
TUFF!
Ah, the last refuge of the scoundrel. When there is no reason in your arsenal, all that's left is name-calling.
Aermacchi, you are the absolute embodiment of the reasons I support gay marriage. You attack it with rancor, instead of logic, compassion, or reason. Then you would dictate how others live their lives by the terms of your religion.
@FritoBBQ - very nicely said, and I agree with you 100%.
This is about a unique partnership and since the dawn of religion it has been celebrated for its uniqueness as it is the ONLY kind of relationship that requires a further committment to the very life that this and only this kind of sex with this kind of relationship can bring about.
Originally posted by UltraAgentGirl
Oh, and Aermacchi's posts ARE filled with logic, compassion and reason, his opinion just happens to be the opposite of yours.
Originally posted by detroitslim
So marriage is equatable to enlisting in the army? Should people getting married also be subjected to age limits, weight limits, and political litmus tests before being wed?
To the contrary, the army has use for women
and even has duties suitable for pacifists
I'm not sure what part of marriage requires 30 pushups in 60 seconds, or the ability to carry a 40 pound pack on a 5 mile hike. Can you enlighten me?
Marriage is a social contract available to any consenting adult.
Prisoners on death row can be married.
Almost any two drunks on the Las Vegas strip can get married at any hour of the day.
Allowing two women to marry has zero effect on the lives of the rest of the citizenry. There's nothing that needs to be restricted, because there is no net negative effect.
Not one of your silly arguments puts forward any negative impact (except for one debunked study) that gay marriage poses to society at large. None. Nada. Zero. Zilch. You've listed thirteen reasons why people don't like gay marriage, but not a single one provides any legal basis to deny it.