Mig 29 better than F-16 ?

I Just TOLD YOU WHAT DON'T YOU COMPREHEND HU!!?? These are non-Russian MiGs do you understand?! They don't have the same radar's dogfighting tactics as Russian 29's

Hmm...I thought the motto of this website was "Deny Ignorance." Well, for some reason, a certain very angry person on this thread is continously allowed to spread non-factual, ridiculously propagandist, and degrading, insulting posts, and is somehow never banned. The "Deny Ignorance" mantra is seriously being violated.

I'm sure there are plenty of us that are sick of begging this child to take his hyper-pills, and leave calm, mature, fact-based posting to the rest of us...

And, just for the record(and to set it straight), no F-15 of any model has ever been shot down in combat...There are no articles claiming this. F-15E, you say? What year? Which squadron? Base? Tail #? It just hasn't happened. Sorry to pop your angry balloon. Calm down.

And, just for the record(and to set it straight), no F-15 of any model has ever been shot down in combat...There are no articles claiming this.

What about this then? It seems the F-15 has been lost to ground fire.

Kill record

As of 2000, the F-15 in all air forces has a combined kill record of 104 kills to zero losses in air combat (a Japanese F-15J shot down another F-15J in 1995 due to an AIM-9 Sidewinder safety malfunction during air-to-air combat training with real weapons). The F-15E sustained two losses to ground fire in the Persian Gulf War of 1991. One F-15E was lost in the 2003 Invasion of Iraq, probably due to ground fire.

From the F-15 Eagle page on wikiepedia.

Originally posted by Stealth Spy
Combat Record

Lt. Col. David "Logger" Rose, a Persian Gulf War F-15 pilot, 41, recalled the time "12 years ago to the day in Desert Storm" when an Iraqi MiG-29 chased away his F-15 on the first day of the war.

Source : www.reviewjournal.com...

That just further strengthen's the Mig's claim.
True a few Mig-29's were shot down, but those were in the hands of a few untrained rookies.

Give a Mig-29 to a proper pilot and he'll blow up an F-16 anyday, maybe an F-15 too.

You know you said the same thing on the first page, why do you do this? And it doesn't prove anything.

Anyone who knows anything about air combat knows that the MiG-29 is inferior to the F-15/16.

NO F-15's ever lost hu? thevulture...'srow.com/ P.S. Hockey guy you must be one of thosewesternised (brainwashed) Russkie's to say that totaly uneducated remark about 15's and 16's better than the 29

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How exactly would America "fix" exercises with the Germans? Did the Germans just agree to lie down for us? If we wanted a propaganda victory, we would have went to all the big media outlets, and everyone in America would have known the results.

Don't listen to him Disturbed U.S.A. did not fix those fights, those fights were fare and square and like I said before those were non Russian MiGs without the same radars that are in Russki MiG 29's and without our Dog Fighting tactics.

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Originally posted by SiberianTiger
NO F-15's ever lost hu? thevulture...'srow.com/ P.S. Hockey guy you must be one of thosewesternised (brainwashed) Russkie's to say that totaly uneducated remark about 15's and 16's better than the 29

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Actually I educated myself into finding the the truth, unlike some people who prefer to believe propaganda, but you can believe whatever you want.

Originally posted by SiberianTiger
Don't listen to him Disturbed U.S.A. did not fix those fights, those fights were fare and square and like I said before those were non Russian MiGs without the same radars that are in Russki MiG 29's and without our Dog Fighting tactics.

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Russian MiG-29 radars are known to have very bad range and resolution compared to Western radars like the F-15/16 and Mirage 2000, the MiG-29 also has inferior weapons and avionics. Both the R-73 and R-77 have sub=par records, and the R-77 is untested, apparently over-hyped though.

And how are Russian dog fighting tactics better? If I want dog fighting tactics then I would either go with the US, Israel, or Australia.

Russian pilots get very limited ours compared to most western nations, and would most likely to get thrashed in a dogfight 3/4 of the time.

R-77 is the best out buddy go and read it in the yank's own mags like Air Force Monthly MiG radar is WAY better than F-16 and there ain't no proof it ain't can you please provide a Russian link (not a yank link talking about Russian MiG 29 Radar but an actuall Russian Military link that officialy says what MiG 29 Radar is so ATS viewrs can read it for themselves) that I know you can't which prove NO Proof Russia MiG 29 radar is weaker that F-16 this IS exactlywhat I was trying to say all along Yanks are always saying we did this and that with MiG 29 in trainning and and we shot down this much MiG 29 durring gulf war 1 ( actually only 4 MiG 29's were downed during Gulf war1) but Yanks forgot to metion "oh ya we forgot to add we did these trainning exersices/ symulated combat with German MiG 29's and the 4 Iraqi MiG 29's and both NATIONS mIg 29'S don't have the same radar that are in the Russian MiG 2-9's so we're just going by the assumtion Russian 29's have the same radars and tactics and thats why we believe our 16's are better" THIS IS what the Yanks forget to mention (In reality they don't forget to mention it, they are DILIBERATLY not-mentioning it to project Russia's "supposed" inferiority.

Two terms I don't want to see again are "Ruskie" and "Yank", thanks.

Originally posted by SiberianTigercan you please provide a Russian link (not a yank link talking about Russian MiG 29 Radar but an actuall Russian Military link that officialy says what MiG 29 Radar is so ATS viewrs can read it for themselves)

Oh, I see. We should post a link that's biased towards your side so you're right. Brilliant!

And in the future, remember: Punctuation is your friend. The kind of friend that will put a hit out on you if you don't associate with him.

www.navalships.org...
to find this page I lost , two days.
In the Russion lenguage use more worth about that, but you use "propaganda".
www.codeonemagazine.com... If I get it some right.
They just say "yes we fu** but you must get this onse ...The America is the best, and from pilot "They know they are flying an aircraft that is superior in maneuverability, power, and avionics."

"After a few days, though, those MiGs became just like any other aircraft. And that's the way it should be. -
After loose you may say evrything you want,
another justification from he now once did whait.

And from Disturbed Del. if you don't want a vicktory of propaganda then just speak with German and he say that winng the russia fighters ...

Sweet Dream .and another


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Hockeyguy, are you really Russian? Type something out Russian for me.. lets say an answer to this question.. Why is the F-16 radar better then the MIG-29 radar. Just a few sentences is all Im asking, you can even use latin letters.

In the India-Singapore airexercises Indian mig-29's swatted out F-16's like flies.

Read the thread on that :
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Stealth Spy
In the India-Singapore airexercises Indian mig-29's swatted out F-16's like flies.

Read the thread on that :
www.abovetopsecret.com...

The only quote I found was

Our Sukhois are doing very well against the F-16Cs (of Singapore Air Force) in terms of manoeuvrability, sophistication of avionics and weapon systems. Similarly, our MiG-29s and Mirage-2000s are also matching up to the F-16s," say IAF sources.

There is nothing there to say (that i could find) that said Mig-29s "Swatted out F-16s like flies" since they were going agaisnt SU-30s, and it seems the IAF was also comparing the MiG-29 to the Mirage-2000

"Matching up" is a diplomatic way of saying you are holding your own and not getting beaten too badly

can we at least stay on subject and try to compare the 2 rader systems of the Mig-29 and F-16? No one on the pro-Mig side wants to so it seems someone on the Pro-F-16 side has to step up

There was also an exersice with Russian Sukoi Pilots vs. US F-15 pilots the U.S lost and the Americans came with thier 'ol excusise again "They (The Russians) had their best pilots while we had only amutures."

Originally posted by SiberianTiger
There was also an exersice with Russian Sukoi Pilots vs. US F-15 pilots the U.S lost and the Americans came with thier 'ol excusise again "They (The Russians) had their best pilots while we had only amutures."

Did we use AWACS?

USAF typically operates its fighters with a supporting AWACS so the fighters can remain passive and allow the AWACS to direct them to targets. This is especially important with the MiGs IRSTS which can passivly track targets at long ranges.

One interesting thing I found out is that with the HUD of the F-16 a pilot can lauch a missle by hitting one switch, while a russian pilot has to hit 11!

I think the question of which aircraft is better is actually a question of which aircraft is better suited in a particular scenario.
I was thinking where in the world would an F-16 go against a MiG under comparable situations? The Indo-Pak situation would be one. What would happen if the airfields close to the border on both sides are taken out? India would have an advantage that Pakistan will not be able to destroy it's interior bases, but the MiGs would be totally incapable of using them due to their inferior range. BUT, they can land and takeoff from dirt strips, an advantage the PAF does not have. In this scenario, the F-16 is inferior, not because of technology, but because of the failures of the system that is required to support it.
If the scenario switched to say, Saudi Arabia vs pre-war Iraq (without US intervention), the Saudis could still use their hardened freeways as runways, similar to the US freeway system. Also, the logistics are on the Saudi side here. In this scenario, the F-16 would ultimately prevail.

Of course, I'm talking from theoretical point of view. I know there are aircraft carriers that can offer mobile runways, but again it is very rare that only one kind of aircraft goes on a sortie to be met by only one kind of enemy aircraft, unless you are flying F-117s over Iraq.