Within 7 days - 6 died at Minot Air Force Base 07 - Commander now dead

Wow, this is some story, I feel bad for the families of those dead Airmen..some must be crapping their pants. I think. Actually this is one thread that has me really weirded out with so much information not being fully compiled as we generally would know it to be
It will always boggle my mind why a MSM journalist at a broadcasting station won't take an investigative task like this with a Good insurance package and really bite into such an incredible bunch of foul, blatant in your face events, that reek of 'See no evil, Hear no evil and Speak no evil", In the name of National Security, so help you God...or else.

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

Whoa wait a minute. 8 years?

In a previous thread you stated that you were in Med School for 8 years getting some kind of degree in Psychology.

So did you spend 8 years working with Military Aircraft, before or after your 8 years of schooling during which you majored in psychology?

What kind of military aircraft? Navy? Air Force? Army?

Your statement sounds like one merely attempting to generate a sense of authority on a subject that you feel convinced about.

If you can clear this up for me, then I'm gravely sorry. However, as a debunker I find it important to make sure that those who are representing themselves as authorities on a subject are indeed that.

Ok here we go again I guess.

Here is the time line of my life just for you, since you have an innate desire to try to humiliate me on every thread we cross on. I have tried being cordial to you, and even adding you to my friends list in an effort to make you stop attacking me; however, I know of nothing else to try. You are just determined to attack me no matter what.

August 3, 1964 (I believe it was around 7am) I was born.

January 1982, I graduated from High School

January 23 1983 I joined the US Navy (Aviation Hydraulics Mechanic)

January 22 1991 I got out of the Navy

January 1995 Bachelors degree in Psychology

May 1998 Masters Degree in Psychology

Last 10 years and 9 months working as a Psychologist.

Is that clear enough for you sir?

My life is an open book brother, you have my full name and now my birthday.

Please do some research with that information before you slander me. It will save me from having to explain myself to you, and save you the humility of looking like an idiot.

You know from the amount of times you have tried to make me look like a fool, I am starting to think that maybe I may be on to something in my life (although I have no idea what that may be) and you have been sent to try to make sure no-one else ever finds out. Either that or you just have some sort of personal agenda to try to make me look bad, I am wondering why you would continue to do this, it just makes no sense. I have seen on other threads where others have had similar problems with you. Is there some significance to these constant attacks or do you just hate me for some reason. Did I once sleep with your wife or something? No matter what it is, it is starting to get rather annoying. Please do some research before you open your mouth, it only makes you look stupid when you don't.

Now for my question to you.

Why do you continue to attack me? Because I disagreed with you on the first post we met on, surely you are more mature than to hold a grudge this long aren't you? I am kind of curious as to who would have starred your post without any information what so ever, or even reading my reply. That kind of makes no sense either, it's almost like blindly believing the media. Anyhow, PLEASE feel free to research my past for yourself. Here I will make it even easier for you. Here are the squadrons I was in: VT-7 at NAS (Naval Air Station)Meridian Ms. training command for new pilots stage 3, which is the first real jet, stage one is props, then stage 2 a t-2 training jet, then stage 3 which at the time was a ta-4j manufactured by Lockheed. Then to VQ-4 at NATC (Naval Air Test Center)Patuxent River Md. where I worked on the C-130Q TCAMO Hercules aircraft also manufactured by Lockheed. That should make your referencing much easier.

And for anyone else so inclined, after you find out what VQ-4 does, you might better understand why this man would wish to discredit anything I ever say. I am sure you all have seen what appeared to be a C-130 aircraft flying over the Pentagon on 9/11. That is 35 nautical miles from NATC Patuxent River Md. Do the math.

Also I need to edit this to add this, I am not, nor ever claimed to be an authority of any kind on any matter. I was merely trying to add to the discussion. I am sorry for that.

Also I was never in med school and never said such, so please be cordial enough to be honest.

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Originally posted by detachedindividual
I heard about this early last year I think. And there was a lot of discussion about the mysterious deaths of those involved.

What do I think?

I think an American governmental agency has an operation in the planning, and that this was a dry-run or a part of this plan that was leaked by one of those murdered.

I think that this agency is routinely eliminating each person as soon as their work is completed in finalizing the mechanics of their plan.

I won't go into what I think the plan is because that's just going to open a whole Pandora's box of dubious posts, plus I want to see if anyone else thinks the way I do.

I agree with at least one other poster here who stated that all the links don't work, and from the few that do, the 'one week' time-frame doesn't add up - it doesn't even look close.

I have been through the whole thread, and it seems there are more than a few very knowledgable individuals who've commented on this.

For the benefit of those of us who are concerned about the implications of this admittedly very alarming story, would one of the 'subject matter experts' here please provide a summary, possibly in the form of a list, indicating the name and date of the individual's demise, and hopefully their job-title, and location of death.

I've tried to look into this on my own and got nada, nothing, nowhere.

This would would be very helpful for those of us who would like to better understand the facts behind this story.

Thanks in advance, vv.

This story is TOXIC if you touch it you die..No Woodward & Bernstein to rescue the truth for future generations. The men behind the curtains have won they have it all and we are all at their mercy. My question to them is WHY? Is money enough ? Is power enough? Is control enough? Why this insatiable lust for death and destruction? To reshape society and the world to meet who's ideals? The American public sleeps now...but if they ever awake to the monstrous truth there will be no place to hide and men and women and children will once more arise and sacrifice their very lives to reach out and wrest their freedom and the truth from your crooked hands...until then I like others will watch and wait and remember.
Yippi Ki Yay #$%^%

Ah, these are the missing nukes that the 0bama era milcom mob will use to create a new 9/11.

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I find it kind of scary that you would in fact brush away all these deaths as "coincidental". That in my opinion borders on denial. I mean, what are the odds of all these guys who just happened to be involved in these nuclear incidents turning up dead suddenly ?? Sure, you can make an excuse for each of thier deaths, but come on...........it's a well known fact that governments are experts in the field of "accidental deaths". These deaths are about as "coincidental" as the United States having a "drill" of terrorists attacking us in airplanes on the EXACT same day that the terrorists decided to do JUST THAT !! Time to wake-up and smell the coffee my friends.

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Hearings Transcript

General Welch. We have specific recommendations for
addressing each of those three and I'll be pleased to address
those during questions. Thank you, sir.
Chairman Levin. Thank you, General.
There are only a few of us here, so we should have some
time. Let's try 6 minutes so we make sure we get in at least
one round before the first vote occurs in the Senate.
General, I'm a little taken aback by your statement that
there was never a safety issue and they were always under the
control of American pilots. Did the pilots know they had
nuclear weapons on board?
General Darnell. Sir, they did not.
Chairman Levin. So, when you say they were under the
control of the pilots, not knowing that you have nuclear
weapons on board makes a difference, doesn't it?
General Darnell. Yes, sir, it does. The intent behind that
statement is to make it clear that they never migrated off the
aircraft anywhere else.
Chairman Levin. In terms of safety, when nuclear weapons
are on a plane and those planes are on a flight line, are there
special precautions taken?
General Darnell. Yes, sir, it's increased security on the
flight line with security forces.
Chairman Levin. Was that increased security present here?
General Darnell. At Minot it was not, sir.
Chairman Levin. It was not. Why do we have increased
security when we have nuclear weapons on a plane on a flight
line? Why do we provide that additional security?
General Darnell. To ensure security of the weapon itself,
because of the gravity of, obviously, anyone taking control of
the weapon that should not have it.
Chairman Levin. The absence of that security at Minot
represents a significant shortfall, does it not?
General Darnell. It did in this case, sir, yes, sir.
Chairman Levin. Now, in terms of what happened here and the
failures that occurred, let's go through very quickly what
happened here: and stop me at any point here if what I'm saying
is not accurate. The mistake was putting a pylon, which has six
cruise missiles on it--and these cruise missiles were not
supposed to have nuclear weapons loaded in them; they were
supposed to have dummies, is that correct?
General Darnell. That's correct, sir.
Chairman Levin. So the pylon that was loaded in error had
nuclear weapons on it and these were the checks that failed us,
these were the actions that were supposed to be taken that
weren't taken. First, at Minot the payload checks were not
performed by the handling team. Second, there was a deputy
maintenance chief at Minot who noted the discrepancy and he
never reported back to his supervisor that discrepancy between
the pylon that was supposed to be on and the number of that
pylon and the one that was on there. So the second failure was
the deputy who noted the discrepancy not reporting it back to
his supervisor.
Then the deputy did not request verification of the
payload. The tow driver at Minot, who's supposed to perform
payload checks, did not do so. The munitions scheduling officer
or office at Minot failed to verify the status of the pylon as
required prior to giving permission to move the pylon. The air
crew is supposed to verify the missile status and the payload
on all missiles, and they did not do so. The aircraft commander
did not verify that each of the missiles had been checked and
did not, as required, make an entry in his pre-flight log.
Now, so far am I on target?
General Darnell. Senator Levin, I think that's pretty
accurate.
Chairman Levin. Okay. Now, that's a lot of mistakes, a lot
of checks and balances here that are supposed to work. None of
those worked in this case. I think you folks in the Air Force
would be the first to acknowledge the severity of not knowing
that you're dealing with nuclear weapons and not taking the
appropriate steps to secure them.

This is a link to the open hearing conducted before the public eye before the committee retired to a closed door session. No timeline and no names named.
When General Welch is asked a simple question about what would happen to the plutonium if the weapons were dropped from altitude..his answer is instructive in the art of political discourse..."I don't know" priceless...
We get the government we deserve.

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Anyone remember this:

au.youtube.com...


Biden: "Mark my words, it will not be 6 months before the world tests Barack Obama ...."

Could the warnings of Powell and Biden be linked to these strange events? I have been saying for a long time now, in many different threads that the world is heading towards war. But as anyone here would know, war always has some kind of event as a trigger. It don't get any worse than nukes does it?

I find this entire story beyond belief. This story SHOULD be headline news right across the globe. The fact that is isn't, makes me even more suspicious that something very sinister is going on here.

Right now the world finds itself in a situation the likes of which have not been seen since the beginning of 2 great wars. Economic crisis has always been a phase of this cycle, of which we now find ourselves in.

This story is terribly frightening considering the worlds current direction. I am shocked and scared to think what is behind the layers of this story, the truth of the matter and the mysterious deaths surrounding these military personal.

Originally posted by MischeviousElf
reply to post by Nichiren

 

Would you ask who could put out the fire on your scroll?

YOU know what I mean, or who orders, creates and moves the scroll?

It is no good Knowing where a Diamond comes from unless you know who dug it up,

to wear a diamond ring is not the same as the asking the jeweller what its like to make it?

Everyone else will probably be a bit lost about this, don't know poster, just using analogies I am sure he can understand, unless its just something he heard and took on as his own.

To the person you ask the question to, they state they are a fireman, have very few posts since joining in march... Firemen never touch these devices, handle them or sign them of in any way shape or form, unless of course something goes wrong, but then they would pull out till Nest got there.

Kind Regards,

Elf.

You're right Elf, we don't have any signing ability with these things. We do inspections on the facilities they are housed in, we do familiarization training with them and the procedures for transport and aircraft arming. We must be present at all times for upload/download (which actually must occur annually as part of readiness training. Yes, there is one point every year when every B-52 on the tarmac is loaded and "cocked" with their entire load of nukes. This is well known, and documented. The Russians are always present for it as well.

It is true that I don't post much on this forum. I lurk more than I probably should. I like to read what people have to say. I have taken more interest in this particular thread as it involves a base I know considerably well.

I must correct you on one point though. I have touched the devices. Many times. But they flat out refuse to allow anyone to get on one and ride it like Slim Pickins.

Originally posted by lingk007
reply to post by bpg131313

 

I find it kind of scary that you would in fact brush away all these deaths as "coincidental". That in my opinion borders on denial. I mean, what are the odds of all these guys who just happened to be involved in these nuclear incidents turning up dead suddenly ?? Sure, you can make an excuse for each of thier deaths, but come on...........it's a well known fact that governments are experts in the field of "accidental deaths". These deaths are about as "coincidental" as the United States having a "drill" of terrorists attacking us in airplanes on the EXACT same day that the terrorists decided to do JUST THAT !! Time to wake-up and smell the coffee my friends.

Perhaps I'm far more jaded about these things than others may be. I accept that. I've spent over two years in the Middle East, and well over a decade working for Uncle Sam. I have responded to hundreds of accidents on military bases. I've responded to hundreds of car crashes on and off bases. I've responded to natural disasters like Katrina (I was outside Mobile, Alabama). I admit I come at this from perhaps a slightly different perspective. I see the evidence presented and I shrug my shoulders. I'm not convinced. That's simply my opinion, just as you've looked at the evidence and arrived at your own conclusions. I've seen my share of death and destruction. I know what it's like up close and personal. As for what happened to these people, it's tragic for their families and it's something I wouldn't want to wish upon anyone. I was always in the business of helping people, not killing them.

Considering the evidence presented, I have to honestly say, it is my opinion that these tragedies are coincidence, though I respectfully encourage everyone to come to their own conclusions.

I have a question but being uninformed on the subject the answer might seem a little obvious to some so i apolagise in advance but i was just curious as to wether a nuke missing means just one warhead or a device that carries multiple warheads?

Thanks.

Honestly,this reminded me of The X-Files episode where the government was making soldiers vegetables after the Aurora Project

I have never bought the official story on the Nukes that were transported without knowledge. Always, this has seemed to me like somebody was trying to pull a fast one, and got caught, at least this time. The procedures in place should make this impossible. Taking Nukes out of their strogae facilities is very, very big deal. These things are scheduled, and observed by people in the right positions. Every step along the way is monitored, recorded, double and triple checked, at least where I was stationed.

Military bases have fairly high death rates. There are lots of young men, who tend to go for macho type competitive activities, there are never enough women around, the odds are always tipped heavily against the young men, so competition is high, and these factors add together to set up a an enviroment with a higher death rate.

Is this situation highly exceptional? It does seem to be very high. I also could not follow all the links. I found reports of four deaths, but maybe the original links would have given the other two. If there were six deaths associated with bases in a one year period, where the deaths were all seemingly disconnected, I think it would be an exceptionally high number. It is certainly something to take note of. If there was some incident that tied all of these people together, then I think there would be something going on.

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Touche HunkaHunka. I think that is what's known as a "definitive answer"!

Are you now going to apologise for you defamatory remarks?!?!

reply to post by SUNRAY06

Chairman Levin. So the pylon that was loaded in error had
nuclear weapons on it and these were the checks that failed us,
these were the actions that were supposed to be taken that
weren't taken. First, at Minot the payload checks were not
performed by the handling team. Second, there was a deputy
maintenance chief at Minot who noted the discrepancy and he
never reported back to his supervisor that discrepancy between
the pylon that was supposed to be on and the number of that
pylon and the one that was on there. So the second failure was
the deputy who noted the discrepancy not reporting it back to
his supervisor.
Then the deputy did not request verification of the
payload. The tow driver at Minot, who's supposed to perform
payload checks, did not do so. The munitions scheduling officer
or office at Minot failed to verify the status of the pylon as
required prior to giving permission to move the pylon. The air
crew is supposed to verify the missile status and the payload
on all missiles, and they did not do so. The aircraft commander
did not verify that each of the missiles had been checked and
did not, as required, make an entry in his pre-flight log.
Now, so far am I on target?
General Darnell. Senator Levin, I think that's pretty
accurate.
Chairman Levin. Okay. Now, that's a lot of mistakes, a lot
of checks and balances here that are supposed to work. None of
those worked in this case. I think you folks in the Air Force
would be the first to acknowledge the severity of not knowing
that you're dealing with nuclear weapons and not taking the
appropriate steps to secure them.

So we are to accept that all these mistakes were made and no one at ANY TIME noticed something was wrong, and in every department people failed to see all provisions and guidelines for working with nukes on that one flight?

It seems the media did make a stink about the nukes, but it died down pretty fast and in fact has not been brought up again.

I think there is a much bigger story out there, again I would also like to try and figure out if other people have had accidents at the "receiving end" of the nukes in Louisiana.

I admire the person who had noticed the various deaths of people who worked at Minot AFB.

Where is that 6th nuke and where is the detonation device that is "still" missing?
Why is Congress nor the Pentegon not pressing this issue and doing everything they can to account and find these items. Why is this not been a "bigger" issue for the MSM?

How on earth do you even get access to any nuke without it being signed off by a very senior power?
These guys shouldn't even be able to get into the hanger/depot/storage where these things are held without a clear statement of orders from above!

The security in these places is supposed to be immense, and yet we're expected to believe that a bunch of AF guys accidentally gained access to nuclear weapons, loaded them up, and flew across the country, and all simply through Human Error?

I know how complacency sets in and things can be missed, but this is a systemic failure by seemingly every department.

The first error is obviously taking real nukes from one secure location instead of dummy missiles from another. But this simply cannot happen.
Only specific people would have authority to access this area, and only specific people would have authority (under direct orders from above) to remove these weapons from that storage area. It's not like they're just kept in a cupboard and taken out for a bit of fresh air now and then, these guys can't just pop in and grab a nuke to re-enact a scene from Broken Arrow for the entertainment of their buddies!

Surely a person of high rank would have to have an order from above just to gain access these weapons, and then supervise their transport. And he didn't ask any questions? I find that hard to believe.
What, he suddenly forgot all of his training and experience in dealing with these weapons? He suddenly forgot that these are only supposed to be moved by land? He suddenly forgot that any flight involving nukes needed an escort and that this is only ever in wartime?
In an environment like this, an order is needed, and these guys would surely have been thinking that they are about to go into WW3 simply by accessing this area and loading up any nuclear weapon.

And the fact that not all discussion and investigation of this was done in a public forum makes it even more suspicious.

They'd already admitted that there had been massive failures, so what else is there to hide from the public if that is all it was, an error?

This whole scenario stinks of black-ops.

I stand by my assessment that a government agency is up to something, and they either tried to make a nuke "unaccounted for" (or perhaps succeeded), or it was a practice run for a leg of a plan.

I think these guys on the ground knew what they were doing under orders. And someone found it all a bit too suspicious, had a conscience, and blabbed about it in an effort to warn the public. The person who did this was probably the first unfortunate guy to die in mysterious circumstances.

I also think that these guys are systematically being bumped-off in order to maintain secrecy.

I think now we have to follow the trail. See if any others of note have died in mysterious circumstances.
I'll bet there's a few more.

Incidentally, anyone recall the story of the CIA agent killed by police while on a mission in the US?
I wonder how that relates to this story?

remember there are CIA like agencies im sure that are secret, perhaps people are joining a agency that requires your so called "death" in order to proceed?

To tie back in to the Jericho front, and hopefully not sidetrack this conversation all too much...

But on Jericho, like was mentioned, the division of the US took place and a private contractor army was put into effect (they were called Ravenwood) by the new administration, known as Jennings and Rall...

Here's a good synopsis of the show and how the country was split... en.wikipedia.org...

Personally, I thought Ravenwood was always very similar to Blackwater... I'm sure the creators meant for that to be...

Well then, relate that to the recent news that Blackwater will no longer have employment by the US government, this conspiracy about the military base workers and the nuke, the growing economic woes, and you just might have yourself something very real that almost mirrors what took place in two seasons of Jericho...

I'll be keeping a close eye on all of it, for sure...

Originally posted by Angus123
Dear God, this is some scary stuff. Please let this just be a bizarre coincidence.
But if the puppet masters that run government and the world are behind it all, I'd expect the next "terrorist attack" to be on a big city, but not a city that would totally cripple the country if it were wiped out. New York and LA are major communication hubs, so rule those out. Anyone have any guesses?

I believe Chicago will be the next target in all of this. Watch this space!