Muslim Population Rising 10 Times Faster Than Rest of the UK

It is not the every day muslim that is the problem it is and as always is the radical religious zealots that are stirring the pot and screwing things up for everyone else. The UK's problem is they let them stand on their soap boxes day in and day out screaming their radical views and infecting many with their distortions. They need to have a much firmer hand on some of these nut balls and arrest them and send them with a one way ticket back to the desert. I can tell you right now that is why you don't have to much of that here in the states. They are immediately picked up and dealt with in that fashion. It is not only the radical Muslims either...look at what happened in Waco as bad as that was handled. The UK needs to send a stern message of say what you want but don't step out of line or it's your arse!

The UK is not being taken over by force...it is being bread out.

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Originally posted by CaptGizmo
It is not the every day Muslim that is the problem it is and as always is the radical religious zealots that are stirring the pot and screwing things up for everyone else.

I would disagree, the "every day Muslim" is just as bad as the religious fanatic, the fact that the every day Muslim just buries their heads in the sand when the fanatic starts preaching that his brethren should be killing the white man will surely be seen as a sign by the Muslim youth that the fanatic is in the right, and until these people get their heads out of the sand they should be considered just as bad as the fanatic.

Originally posted by solidshot

Originally posted by CaptGizmo
It is not the every day Muslim that is the problem it is and as always is the radical religious zealots that are stirring the pot and screwing things up for everyone else.

I would disagree, the "every day Muslim" is just as bad as the religious fanatic, the fact that the every day Muslim just buries their heads in the sand when the fanatic starts preaching that his brethren should be killing the white man will surely be seen as a sign by the Muslim youth that the fanatic is in the right, and until these people get their heads out of the sand they should be considered just as bad as the fanatic.

Huh? I am sure if the Imams preached 'kill all white people' in every mosque there would be no muslims in UK AT ALL.Yes there are a few wahabi type mosques but they dont even make 1% of total mosques in UK.

Muslims are kinda cool, if it wasnt for them i wouldnt enjoy my curries and doner kebabs on regular bases.

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Is just a matter of time, and time is in their side, look at America the faster growing minority is Hispanic, and this just in the last 25 years of so.

Now America has a complete new generation (generations are of 25 years cycle) of American born Hispanics.

That is how this people will eventually be in majority enough to influence everything in the nation and the government.

This reminds me the silly movie about intelligent people vs dumb people while intelligent people put first their goals over their breeding, eventually the dump people took over as they were multiplying faster than the intelligent people did.

Just imagine in another generation where these breeders numbers will be.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Western civilization does not see it. If that does not change your final choice will be conversion or death.

You are right they don't see it until it will come hitting them in the face.

The whole intention of religion any religion is to spread and convert, is not doubt about the intentions of the muslim world, they are to spread their winds over the entire world you like it or not.

we have a culture in the west that we say is based on freedom and acceptance, the only way we can possibly keep this is to continue to be accepting of, and to protect the freedoms of, muslim's.

as soon as we try to tell people which religion is acceptable and how many children it is acceptable to have there we have lost the culture we're supposed to be protecting.

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That is nice and dandy until that protection becomes the down of others religious believes.

When a minority group becomes the vocal majority in any society the losers are always the ones that lose their voice.

That means been forced to accept whatever influences that other group will impose due to be the loudest vocal majority in government, politics and social stance.

When that happens is not longer freedom of anything but what the vocal minority wants.

I have a mosque in a converted storefront right next to where I live. On days when they have their events, their parking lot is 99% full of SUV's and mini-vans with a pile of kids in each one -- you only see 1 or 2 sedans.
So .. I would confirm that they are having lots and lots of kids.
Except that they (middle-eastern/Arab) don't seem to know the concept of picking up garbage I haven't really had any problems, so far.
Like someone else said, I love the food in the grocery stores and restaurants.

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I disagree when do gooders want things stopped because it may offend Muslims.Because thats who it usually is who start such things,do gooders,not Muslims.

It seems to me that Muslims who have moved into the country in the last 10yrs are the ones who are least intergrated.There are many Muslims families that go back several generations and live happily with everyone else.

Yes,as some others have posted,it can be annoying to see areas 'taken over' by them.But this is what people do.Go to parts of Spain and France and there are English communities who speak English only,eat English food only,send their kids to English speaking schools only.They don't make any attempt to intergrate.I disagree with it,but for some it is human nature.

And Muslims make up less than 3% of the population.Plus,they are not the only group to have grown.

I would also suggest that further research may be needed as your article says that in 2004 the Muslims population was 1,087,000.Yet the UK Census states that,in 2001,the Muslim population was 1,591,000.Looking at it like that,there's an obvious decrease of over half a million.


Related link.
www.equalityhumanrights.com...

Originally posted by merkava
Yes there are a few wahabi type mosques but they dont even make 1% of total mosques in UK.

I think mosques run by hardline fanatics in Britain number a little more than one percent -whether it be wahabi or Deobandi.

More like fifty percent.

Times article:

Almost half of Britain’s mosques are under the control of a hardline Islamic sect whose leading preacher loathes Western values and has called on Muslims to “shed blood” for Allah, an investigation by The Times has found.

Riyadh ul Haq, who supports armed jihad and preaches contempt for Jews, Christians and Hindus, is in line to become the spiritual leader of the Deobandi sect in Britain. The ultra-conservative movement, which gave birth to the Taleban in Afghanistan, now runs more than 600 of Britain’s 1,350 mosques, according to a police report seen by The Times.

Seventeen of Britain’s 26 Islamic seminaries are run by Deobandis and they produce 80 per cent of home-trained Muslim clerics. Many had their studies funded by local education authority grants. The sect, which has significant representation on the Muslim Council of Britain, is at its strongest in the towns and cities of the Midlands and northern England.

Figures supplied to The Times by the Lancashire Council of Mosques reveal that 59 of the 75 mosques in five towns – Blackburn, Bolton, Preston, Oldham and Burnley – are Deobandi-run.

A commentator on religious radicalism in Pakistan, where Deobandis wield significant political influence, told The Times that “blind ignorance” on the part of the Government in Britain had allowed the Deobandis to become the dominant voice of Islam in Britain’s mosques.

Khaled Ahmed said: “The UK has been ruined by the puritanism of the Deobandis. You’ve allowed the takeover of the mosques. You can’t run multiculturalism like that, because that’s a way of destroying yourself. In Britain, the Deobandi message has become even more extreme than it is in Pakistan. It’s mind-boggling.”

www.timesonline.co.uk...


Also ,if you've not seen it before, the documentary Undercover Mosque is
worth a watch:

Google Video Link

video.google.com...

Originally posted by DantesLost
It seems to me that Muslims who have moved into the country in the last 10yrs are the ones who are least intergrated.There are many Muslims families that go back several generations and live happily with everyone else.

Living happily doesn't make you integrated. I know enough Muslims who have been living here for over 40 years and live their lives happily but can only speak 25 words of Dutch. I might have a wrong perception, but often I have the idea that many just came because they see us a social-benefit state where you can live comfortably without having to do much for it.

Originally posted by merkava
Muslims are kinda cool, if it wasnt for them i wouldnt enjoy my curries and doner kebabs on regular bases.

*shakes head and thinks perhaps we Europeans deserve our fate*

Originally posted by pieman
we have a culture in the west that we say is based on freedom and acceptance, the only way we can possibly keep this is to continue to be accepting of, and to protect the freedoms of, muslim's.

as soon as we try to tell people which religion is acceptable and how many children it is acceptable to have there we have lost the culture we're supposed to be protecting.

the quandry is that which has made us great (freedom and acceptance) could also destroy us as we take it to extremes and lose our moral and cultural compass.

There will be a line crossed somewhere in the future and some big decisions to be made

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Hi, can you please provide links to newsreports or research material on the topic you posted?

If you cannot or are not willing to provide reasoned commentary to your statement, I will chalk it of to lies and incitement and report it to the moderators as baseless opinions - violations of terms and conditions for starting a thread.

Incidentally, what happens if the Muslim is a white Brit? Does he top himself in the frenzy of fanaticism with the urge to get whitey?

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Living happily doesn't make you integrated. I know enough Muslims who have been living here for over 40 years and live their lives happily but can only speak 25 words of Dutch. I might have a wrong perception, but often I have the idea that many just came because they see us a social-benefit state where you can live comfortably without having to do much for it.

Heck Mdv2 on my travels in Europe and Africa I have meet Englishmen living in Spain for 20 years or more and unable to speak the local lingo. Same thing all over Africa.

What is even weirder, I have met plenty of English people who can't even string a coherent sentence in English and I am not joking. They can't speak the language of the land.

In contrast, bigots and racist point at Asians and refugees who came to the UK from refugee camps and Asian worker invited to work in factories in the 50's and 60's and are pensioners now. Do you expect these people to be fluent in a language the indigenous people sport a 35% illiteracy rate?

Originally posted by masonwatcher
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Hi, can you please provide links to newsreports or research material on the topic you posted?

If you cannot or are not willing to provide reasoned commentary to your statement, I will chalk it of to lies and incitement and report it to the moderators as baseless opinions - violations of terms and conditions for starting a thread.

Incidentally, what happens if the Muslim is a white Brit? Does he top himself in the frenzy of fanaticism with the urge to get whitey?

Not sure what your problem with me is other than you don't like what I said.I am not the OP. In any event I gave one example in my post stating that religious fanatics are dealt with such as WACO. I don't agree with the handling of the situation but that's what happened.Go right ahead and tell a MOD if you feel the need to as I have done nothing wrong other than apparently say something you personally don't agree with and seem to be reacting childishly about it.

Besides I am talking about the religious fanatics and not the everyday Muslim people ...try re-reading my post.

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Originally posted by merkava

Ahh man you don't wana go there...Remember how the black muslim youths in France created chaos and havoc across the country when the cops killed one of theirs..

doesn't matter what i want, the pieces are in place, when subsidies (monetary or indirect) to these minorites dry up, they will be stuck between debt and starvation and the result will make the Paris, Kopenhagen & Malmoe riots look like a picknick.

i'm not talking about burning cars, i'm talking about shooting, looting and pillage, with police in between making things even less predictable. appeasement does not work and all who are responsible will have to be dealt with when the dust settles. this includes but is in no way limited the political class.

who coined the term 'mallable point in history' again, or am i misquoting?

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Living happily doesn't make you integrated.

But that is what I meant by it.Sorry for not making that clear.

I agree that some people will move to another country because they see it as a place for easy living.It happens here in England.But there are more non-Muslims on benefits than there are Muslims.

There are failings on both sides.
Governments need to do more to help immigrants intergrate and immigrants have to do the same to help themselves.

I'd say the biggest problem we have in this country is not the Muslims but the 1000's who come from the Eastern block countries.I have nothing against them,they can come and live and work here if they follow the correct process.What I object to is the fact that the money they make doesn't go back into our economy,it goes back to their native countries.This in turn creates a false economy and this will have a greater effect on the UK than the Muslims having children and building mosques will.



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Are you talking about Entropa? LOL, honestly, I thought the work was funny. I had read an article on it in the Irish Times when it went on display, and the many people that where mad at the Czechs for displaying it.

# Austria, a known opponent of atomic energy, is a green field dominated by nuclear power plant cooling towers;[7] vapour comes out of them at intervals
# Belgium is presented as a half-full box of half-eaten Praline chocolates
# Bulgaria is depicted by a series of connected "Turkish" squat toilets;[8] neon-like lights connect and illuminate them (later hidden with fabric)[9]
# Cyprus is jigsawed (cut) in half
# The Czech Republic's own piece is an LED display, which flashes controversial quotations by Czech President Václav Klaus
# Denmark is built of Lego bricks, and some claim to see in the depiction a face reminiscent of the cartoon controversy,[10] though any resemblance has been denied by the artist[11]
# Estonia is presented with a hammer and sickle-styled power tools, the country has considered a ban on Communist symbols[12]
# Finland is depicted as a wooden floor and a male with a rifle lying down, imagining an elephant and a hippo.[13]
# France is draped in a "GRÈVE!" ("STRIKE!") banner[8]
# Germany is a series of interlocking autobahns, described as "somewhat resembling a swastika",[8][14][15] though that is not universally accepted;[16] some Czech military historians also suggest that the autobahns resemble the number "18", which some Neonazi groups use as code for A.H. initials.[17] Cars move along the roads.
# Greece is depicted as a forest that is entirely burned, possibly representing the 2007 Greek forest fires and the 2008 civil unrest in Greece.[18]
# Hungary features an Atomium made of its common agricultural products melons and Hungarian sausages, based on a floor of peppers
# Ireland is depicted as a brown bog with bagpipes protruding from Northern Ireland; the bagpipes play music every five minutes[citation needed]
# Italy is depicted as a football pitch[8] with several players who appear to be masturbating[15] with the footballs they each hold.
# Latvia is shown as covered with mountains, in contrast to its actual flat landscape
# Lithuania a series of dressed Manneken Pis-style figures urinating; the streams of urine are presented by a yellow lighting glass fibers
# Luxembourg is displayed as a gold nugget with "For Sale" tag[8]
# Malta is a tiny island with its prehistoric dwarf elephant as its only decoration; there's a magnifying glass in front of the elephant
# The Netherlands has disappeared under the sea with only several minarets still visible;[8] the piece is supposed to emit the singing of muezzins
# Poland has a piece with priests erecting the rainbow flag of the Gay rights movement, in the style of the U.S. Marines raising the Stars and Stripes at Iwo Jima.[19]
# Portugal is shown as a wooden cutting board with three pieces of meat in the shape of its former colonies of Brazil, Angola, and Mozambique
# Romania is a Dracula-style theme park,[8] which is set up to blink and emit ghostly sounds at intervals.
# Slovakia is depicted as a Hungarian sausage (or a human body tightened by Hungarian tricolour)
# Slovenia is shown as a rock engraved with the words first tourists came here 1213
# Spain is covered entirely in concrete,[20] with a concrete mixer situated in the northeast
# Sweden does not have an outline, but is represented as a large Ikea-style self-assembly furniture box, containing Gripen fighter planes[21] (as supplied to the Czech Air Force)
# The United Kingdom, known for its Euroscepticism and relative isolation from the Continent, is "included" as missing piece (an empty space) at the top-left of the work

en.wikipedia.org...

Irelands plays music every 5 mins lol..

Granted.. some where really mean. Like Bulgaria's. Turkish toilets. Ahem.. and uh, I don't really get Italy's ..

The real issue is muslims don't want to integrate into the culture they immigrate to. They expect the culture to change for them. If it doesn't they stomp their feet and cry foul to the present point where everyone just kind of sits around and lets them have their way, weakening the host nation.

If they do only make up only 3% of the populace, that should be scary in its own right. How can 3% make such a negative impact on the vast majority?

As for the Mexicans in America. Completely different issue, thats comparing apples and hand grenades. America is rich in hispanic culture, they settled the American Southwest at the same time the Americans did and our borders are largely political, and not as cultural.