Is it time to ditch the bible?

Originally posted by TheAbstract
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So I'm God now......

Yeah. That's the truth.
I ask only that you understand Cause and Effect.
I use the metaphor "Father and Son".
Because,
"The universe" is the reversal of cause and effect.
It is upside down, backwards, inside out and scrambled.
It denies sonship and fatherhood.
Then replaces them with substitutes.
Then, it mocks and beats the hell into them.
It is done to Self.
Self cannot be harmed, so it is done to self-concepts in place of Self.
The self concepts are then called sons of god, and forthwith made to suffer.
A "man" is a self-concept, getting beat up in a fight between Christ and himself.
The universe, therefore, is "a house [mind] divided against itself".
And this is to prove that God can be killed.
It's all just a fantasy.
Own the fantasy, and own reality.
Deny the fantasy, and perpetuate the denial of reality.
Another name for reality is Christ.
Christ is equal to God.
There is no difference.
So,
Christ is God.
God is in Christ and Christ is in God.
God and Christ are therefore One.
They are co-creators.
Through co-creation, Christ is also Cause with Effect...creator and creation.
In this way, Christ is equal to *Our Father* in every way.
This is the true "Self".
Do not settle for less, or you will be confused.
"The universe" is a self-concept.
It breaks the One into *many*, destroying the Kingdom of God.
But that is impossible.
So,
The universe is a fantastic imaginative dream within an omnipotent mind.
It is not a true creation.
So it is temporary.
Salvation brings it to an end.
Believe me and be saved from it.
Don't believe me and remain in it.

Christ!




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You know what...in a sense you're right. We all are God and Satan because we control what happens in the world, pleasure and pain. But guess what....it's just US....no God....no Satan

For those who believe in the Bible and that Gods words are in the Bible you should know that God is supposed to answer the prayers of his people....if a mountain is to be moved HE will make it so...............so when the faithful little girl living on the streets asks God for world peace, should he not answer her prayers? Too bad for that little girl

Originally posted by TheAbstract
You know what...in a sense you're right. We all are God and Satan because we control what happens in the world, pleasure and pain. But guess what....it's just US....no God....no Satan

Right. There really is no gOd of this world.
If there was, it would qualify as "Satan".
But there is also no Satan.
There is only us, doing this to ourselves.
We have made the One into many.
Now there seems to be "us"...plural.
And this seems to be "the truth".
This is the effect of a split mind..."a house divided against itself".
Atonement is the process of rethinking the concept of separation.
Atonement brings our many minds and many wills back to one mind with one will.

Christ!

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Ok so there is no God of this world.....and we are all connected. So it's just US and the universe. We are essentially just energy that's part of the universe which means that the Bible, God and all that other stuff is irrelevant

Originally posted by TheAbstract
For those who believe in the Bible and that Gods words are in the Bible you should know that God is supposed to answer the prayers of his people....if a mountain is to be moved HE will make it so...............so when the faithful little girl living on the streets asks God for world peace, should he not answer her prayers? Too bad for that little girl

Look past the apparent, superficial "reality" of the situation.
To be a "little girl" is an answer to prayer already.
It is not the true God's will that his glorious Son be a "little girl".
But this is what the "prodigal son" has asked for and recieved,
transforming himself into "man, beast, and every creeping thing".
This includes every woman and "little girl".
As such, "flesh" is not natural to the Son's God-given mind.
"Flesh" is a mind trick...images in imagination...strange phenomenon.
"Flesh" is symbolic.
All actions of the "flesh" are imaginary thoughts...a thinking process.
Transformed into what is weak and vulnerable, pain and suffering is inflicted on symbols to prove that the truth is not true.
The truth is, there are no little girls, no men, no beasts, no creeping things.
In truth, there is no pain or suffering.
So,
in truth, there is no "the universe".

"The universe" is an answer to a prayer for separation, confusion, attack, pain and suffering.
Our Father knows nothing of these things.
This prayer is answered "through Christ"...our Self.
Christ enables any and all beliefs to manifest, as asked.
The universe is a manifestation of a multitude of belief stemming from one primal belief: Unbelief in Christ.
Understand that "the universe" is a product of belief [faith in things hoped for].
Thinking is asking.
Believing is asking.
So, the universe is an answer to prayer through Christ.
It is not God's will.
It is the free expression of another will, with many other wills seemingly within it.
A "little girl" is another will inside another will, besides the will of the true GoD.
The little girl's will seems autonomous, but it is not, except for the power to choose between true will and false will.
Till then, the false will that makes the world controls the will of the little girl.
In this way, the world is working as one mind, hurting itself, secretly confusing itself through deception.
All scenarios of pain and suffering are effects of the one wayward will that is expressed as another will besides the will of the true God.
To identify with that will is to attack oneself.
All within the world have identified with that one wild will.
The effect is many wild wills, all insane as their maker.

To escape, one must identify with Christ, who does not attack.
Identify with Christ, and you identify with the one will of the true God.
Identify with Christ and be saved.
Identify with Christ by giving up attack thoughts.

Christ!






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Originally posted by TheAbstract


Ok so there is no God of this world.....and we are all connected. So it's just US and the universe. We are essentially just energy that's part of the universe which means that the Bible, God and all that other stuff is irrelevant

Yes, most of the bible is irrelevant, the way information is stated. How many books...how many authors does it take to explain what I just explained? So, clearly, there is a campaign to confuse. Biblical genesis can be thought of as propaganda in a war. The first casualty of war is the truth. That is the truest "genesis" of the world. That is, the true genesis of the world is the "death" of truth [slain before the foundation of the world]. So, there is no truth in the world. That includes most of its books which try to explain its genesis, existence and future. The bible is one such collection of books. It is, for the most part, contributory to all that is anti-christ. It has one redeeming feature...the story of Jesus. Jesus understood the truth and escaped from a big lie AS THE TRUTH. This is clear from the text, regardless the filtered version handed down. Therefore, let us identify with the Truth as our One identity. The Truth is a perfect creation, infallable. Most the rest is lies about the Truth. Some of it is close enough to where it can be interpreted. Much of it cannot be interpreted to have any meaning, except that it means nothing, and expresses *many* as "the truth", mesmerizing the reader into believing that sin is actually happening, and deserves punishment. The key to interpreting any scripture is this; one, not separate. Understand that this is one mind doing this to itself and you will be able to interpret any scripture. Believe that there is a "gOd" above "us", and "people" and "nations" "out there"...and you will be confused and decieved. Most readers will be decieved by it, so it functions as a magical book of *spells* perpetuating ancient myths. Even if it were, as they say, "historical" in part, understand that history is still myth. Time is a vast illusion. The true gospel is for dispelling a spellbound mind. There was a culture that grew out of Jesus understanding and examples and demonstrations. It was called 'the way'. It was stoned, and robbed and left for dead. The NT presents a crucified version of 'the way'. It is up to the wise to see through it, and get the message.

Therefore, "Know thy Self".
This also means know thy power.
When we underestimate our power, we get confused.
When we accept our power, we get saved.
The question is, "what have we been doing with our power"?
Then, the question becomes, "what do we want to do with our power now"?


Christ!




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The only message sent to Mohammed came from a God not of Jesus.

Islam will be the next empire. The Antichrist wil rule along with a False Prophet (they will con you into really thinking it is Jesus).

Everyone is going to choose sides soon. You are either with Jesus(the true Lord that comes after Armageddon) or you choose evil.

Revelations 13 is not that far away.

Bless us all in our journey, in Jesus name.

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Wow....what your saying is nothing all. The brain you're using to put down these long texts isn't reality. Nothing we know is reality, therefore there is no reality in Christ.

Originally posted by TheAbstract
reply to post by Christ!

 

Wow....what your saying is nothing all. The brain you're using to put down these long texts isn't reality. Nothing we know is reality, therefore there is no reality in Christ.

No, there is no reality in what we think we "know" as self-concepts.
Knowledge would obliterate self-concepts, which are belief driven.
There is no reality in the mind that makes "the universe".
It is belief driven.
There is a reality about the mind that makes the mind that makes "the universe".
This is the mind that is being saved by the truth...
Not the mind that makes the universe, nor anything it imagines.
It is like a machine...a toy.

Christ!

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Matthew 5:18 Jesus says:

For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.

According to Jesus, the Old Testament is alive and well. According to Isaiah 40:8, "the word of our God stands forever." The notion that these old testament verses no longer apply is completely untrue according to the Bible. Christians imagine that they "no longer apply" as a way of rationalizing their religion.

If you except Christianity you except the whole book with all of its fallacies, not just certain parts. The WHOLE book is a huge contradiction and cannot be trusted....furthermore Jesus's story was stolen from MANY other Gods before him. So Christ himself is a fallacy.

I'm sorry, you can razzle dazzle your texts all you want, but facts are facts and the Bible has none what so ever. And if what we live in isn't reality than Christ and everything else you're talking about is doesn't exist. If you really believe what you're saying, then you should understand that you really don't know what you're saying because basically you're not supposed to understand it......you don't understand so you don't know....WE don't know, so your argument has no basis

Originally posted by TheAbstract
reply to post by Christ!

 

Matthew 5:18 Jesus says:

For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.

According to Jesus, the Old Testament is alive and well. According to Isaiah 40:8, "the word of our God stands forever." The notion that these old testament verses no longer apply is completely untrue according to the Bible. Christians imagine that they "no longer apply" as a way of rationalizing their religion.

If you except Christianity you except the whole book with all of its fallacies, not just certain parts. The WHOLE book is a huge contradiction and cannot be trusted....furthermore Jesus's story was stolen from MANY other Gods before him. So Christ himself is a fallacy.

I'm sorry, you can razzle dazzle your texts all you want, but facts are facts and the Bible has none what so ever. And if what we live in isn't reality than Christ and everything else you're talking about is doesn't exist. If you really believe what you're saying, then you should understand that you really don't know what you're saying because basically you're not supposed to understand it......you don't understand so you don't know....WE don't know, so your argument has no basis

I don't have a word for this so I'll just call it the *whole book fallacy*. It's like swallowing a big stinky camel with ease, and yet straining at a small morsel of truth. I am selecting, out of a "context" that would imprison the truth, what sets the truth free. The NT veritably crucifies the truth, taking words out of his mouth, putting words in, and hanging a sign over his head: King of the Jews.

People are always trying to put Jesus in their "context"...containing him within "text" which obliterates his message and meaning. I have absolutely no obligation to repeat the errors of the past, in which, because Jesus came from territory occupied by Hebrews and dominated by their scriptures, he must somehow be a door to door Tanakh salesman who encourages people to read their old testaments more often. Far from endorsing it, others force it on his shoulders, making his name carry their cherished fables. For example, that quote from Matthew comes from Matthew. You really have no clue if it came from Jesus, what it meant if it did, or whether it is shoved into his mouth to support a messianic bias. Of all the pop gospels, Matthew displays most overtly Jewish biases, forcing a stupid geneology upon a messenger who said things like, "call no man father", and calling their father the "devil" those who boasted upon human geneology!

Yes, Jesus story was stolen...from Jesus! Whatever fables are overlayed upon his legend...whatever Hebrew lore, or Egyptian lore, they are all part of the stealing of his story. Just because the true story of Jesus is buried under six feet of deception, doesn't mean the truth of it can't be dug up by open minded seekers with a "Sherlock Holmes" kind of approach.

Knowledge is total, or not at all. Meanwhile, the open minded are treated to a deep certainty, which acts as a guide. Certainty is from the realm of knowledge, and not less will guide anyone out of a maze of mad mutterings about matters mysterious.

When you read a "Sherlock Holmes" mystery novel, there are many loose ends up in the air as the story progresses. And at times, the reader may be convinced he knows who did it and why. But it is only as the puzzle is solved that the reader sees how he was mistaken and mislead...and how the solved puzzle fits all the evidence and exposes motive to the light and brings clarity to what was before extremely murky. This is where I'm at currently with the crime scene that is the battle for truth between the "old" and "new" testament.

Don't be fooled because I use the alias Christ! I do not accept what "Christianity" so-called proposes in the name of Christ Jesus. It is opposite, subversive, audacious and preposterous. But then, that is how the world begins, so what else is new under the sun?

Christ!







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Originally posted by Fromabove
Rather than ditch the Bible may I suggest reading the Gospel of John? Perhaps God can still save you. Perhaps... while there is still time for being saved.

May I suggest reading chapter 16 where there are three important distinctions to make.

A. Sin = unbelief in Christ
B. Righteousness = return to the Father.
C. The "prince of this world" has been "judged".

The judgement upon the "prince of this world" is the same as upon the "god of this world"...which is the proverbial "devil". And the judgement is:

non-existent
meaningless
belief driven
insane

Insanity is essentially the basis of sin, because sin is unbelief in Christ, which is sanity and reality. Unbelief in Christ is the "original sin", in which every man is "born". Christ is, was and always shall be. So Christ precedes what has a beginning: "the universe"..."the world"...time. And it is *before time* that unbelief in Christ *begins*...leading to a state in which "we have all fallen short of the glory of GoD".

Christ is sanity, being reality. Unbelief in Christ leads straight to insanity, and unreality. And this is fundamentally what sin is:

Belief in unreality.
Faith in lies.
Denial of Christ.
Seriously insane notions about Christ.
Acceptance of many and various manifestations of anti-christ.
Belief that separation is "the truth".
Belief that guilt is "the truth".
Belief that man is "real".

This qualifies the whole world as a kind of "sin".
The truth of Christ takes away the sins of the world by taking away the whole world. That is why the judgement of *non-existent* takes away the sins of the world...by taking away the whole world along with the "gOd" which makes it.

The good news that the world does not exist is not good news to those who love darkness. And handling the good news in their own way, men force it to support the darkness, which is confusion. Confusion rules the world, and continues as it is put forth as a creation of God, rather than a fantasy of all that is anti-christ.


Christ!





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"Insanity is essentially the basis of sin, because sin is unbelief in Christ, which is sanity and reality. Unbelief in Christ is the "original sin", in which every man is "born". Christ is, was and always shall be. So Christ precedes what has a beginning: "the universe"..."the world"...time. And it is *before time* that unbelief in Christ *begins*...leading to a state in which "we have all fallen short of the glory of GoD"."

come on dude, are you serious with this? Everything you just said makes no sense and has no evidence to back it up. You'll probably say that evidence is reality which is a sin because reality is untruth which is unbelief in the true God....LOL....like I said...irrelevant and very unimportant. Let's talk about something that pertains to us.

Originally posted by badmedia
No belief is a belief.

War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.

www.youtube.com...!!!!

Gday,

Originally posted by unity1
2 Thessalonians 2,3

A forgery.

Originally posted by unity1
1 Timothy 4:1

Another forgery.


How does citing forged books show the "validity" of the bible?


Kapyong

Gday,

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
you ditch the bible and you ditch all your conmmon law rights and your constitutions.....

Nonsense.
Neither Common law nor any Constitution is based explicitly on the Bible.

That's just another urban legend.


Kapyong

Originally posted by Grandma
Remember, we all have a chance to be saved and forgiven for our prideful ways up until our very last breath on this earth.

I believe that God through the Holy Spirit is always trying to help his children find their path that will lead them home to him.

We who profess the name of Christian need to be a beakon of light that shines in the darkness. I hope that my light shines so bright and clear that it will be shown all over this earth. That those who seek will see and the Lord willing I may be able to help them on their own spiritual journey with the Father.

It is not the Father's wish to lose any of his children to the darkness. He will keep reaching out to those who do not believe until he reach out no more. And who is to say when that moment may be.

The Father wants his children to come to him because they choose to out of love, not out of fear they they better do it or else. It must be of our own free will and a heart that is humbled by our Creator. One must really bow down to their knees when they come before the throne. Not because of fear but because of WHO his is and the love he wants to share with us.

Peace to you,
Grandma

Remember, we all have a chance to be saved and forgiven for our prideful ways up until our very last breath on this earth.

I believe that Allah through his prophet is always trying to help his children find their path that will lead them home to him.

We who profess the name of Islam need to be a beakon of light that shines in the darkness. I hope that my light shines so bright and clear that it will be shown all over this earth. That those who seek will see and Allah willing I may be able to help them on their own spiritual journey with the prophet.

It is not Allah's wish to lose any of his children to the darkness. He will keep reaching out to those who do not believe until he reach out no more. And who is to say when that moment may be.

The Allah wants his children to come to him because they choose to out of love, not out of fear they they better do it or else. It must be of our own free will and a heart that is humbled by our Creator. One must really bow down to their knees when they come before the throne. Not because of fear but because of WHO his is and the love he wants to share with us.

Peace to you.

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come on dude, are you serious with this? Everything you just said makes no sense and has no evidence to back it up. You'll probably say that evidence is reality which is a sin because reality is untruth which is unbelief in the true God. ...LOL. ...like I said. ..irrelevant and very unimportant. Let's talk about something that pertains to us.

First, anyone who names himself or herself CHRIST is OFF his or her rocker. Be wary of them. Do not allow yourself to be found alone with them. They may GO POSTAL at any time. To call oneself CHRIST takes a Pat Robertson type super duper EGO. Second, the person who thinks he or she is CHRIST must be flying on Timothy Leary Airlines using the only ticket '___' - lysergic acid diethylamide - which is a controlled substance by the way so I don't recommend it. This CHRIST like the LAST Christ, is OFF his rocker. He's from La La Land. Call me if he/she can walk across a river and keep his/her feet DRY! Then I'll read his gobly-gook rantings.