Sir Evelyn de Rothschild says you are lazy and greedy!

He needs the debate to be open, whether it is "us" that are lazy, or "them" that are corrupt and leeching us. The truth, of course, is a little bit of both, every people deserves it's own government, it's own exploitation. Be the change you wish to see and all that...

All this said though, nobody needs the debate more than the Rothschild, because if the people fall into a "eat the rich" mindset, his family will be the main course.

As for me, my personal comment is, whatever these guys, and others like them (Rockefellers, Morgans, Vanderbilts, Fords, etc) have done to hurt mankind, and I believe they have done a lot, the solution is not demonising them, it is thinking positive, going for more loving generous solutions, not feeding the monster with revenge and violence, which will only sow the ground for tomorrow's dictators.

And yes, he is right on some points, he knows the weakness of the people well, since he and his have been exploiting them for at least 3 centuries, so, in an ironic sense, he is the right person to say it. You go Evelyn. Almost said girl there, honest mystake!



[edit on 31-1-2009 by Zepherian]

Originally posted by caitlinfae
Perhaps is doesn't matter who says it...just that it gets said...it's about the only aspect of this whole mess that no-one is looking at. No-one else has said it so publically. I don't particularly care who he is.

Other people have been saying it.

I do particularly care who he is -
I think it is very telling - and yes it is good -
because he holds the purse strings and the big boys will likely have to listen.

From a personal point of view, I'm inclined to say that there is no point in going over and over what has happened before and who did what, and how it all started...all that matters is now, and how we get out of this.

Working our way out of it is healthier, no matter how you look at it, and no-one has mentioned that De Rothschild also used the example of New York's situation 10 years ago as an illustration of what he means. Borrowing and bailouts are not healthy.

The scale of this is what is so incredibly frightening...I saw a thread here earlier today that compares the crisis of today with all the others of the last hundred years in graph form, and it's truly terrifying. I will try and find the thread and link it here if no-one else does it first. Please look at it, and take it on board. Loans and bailouts are not going to fix it.


Edit to add link...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 31-1-2009 by caitlinfae]

reply to post by Master Shen long


Not him, he spend his childhood years during that war in the USA before going to Cambridge.

I know, wiki isn't the best source, how ever I've noticed it is fairly reliable.
That is what I meant by a "do a search", but [url=here is the search I did. Some thing in the back of my mind, recalled this not sounding right.

The Rothschilds, from what I've read, have a very intriguing history.

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reply to post by caitlinfae


The only thing that would "fix" this financial crisis is if the people in charge, the ones accounting the debt, simply wiped out a lot of the derivatives off the books and rebooted the damn computers. Short of that the math simply will not work.

This is the crux of the matter, no matter how many people can be painted as responsible, untill someone actually figures out they need to abolish the system engineered debt so that money can have actual value for a change, then we are just in a downward spiral.

And De Rothschild can be sure of one thing, this debt will not be paid, not to his family, or to anyone else's, with the level of exposure the core cause of the problem has now countries will collapse, people will die, but this debt will not be paid to the people who baited for it, who engineered it, and who are trying to turn it into permataxes. This scam *might* have worked in the 1900's, in the 21st century I just don't see it happening. Already we have greek students with banners "let the plutocrats pay for the crisis".

His criticism is spot on, but his overview incomplete and biased, as the urgent action he is talking about to "solve" the problem, would have to be done by the likes of him. The financiers will have to abolish the derivative component of the debt, or this monster will eat them too, in the form of violence and simple civil disobedience. I will not pay taxes all my life to inflate his bubble, I would rather paddle a canoo up the amazon and blitz out on ayauasca (sp?) for the rest of my days.

Usury is a tough buck to ride, huh?

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Sorry i should of been more direct..... His family i meant (in conjunction with the Rockefeller lot).
The link you supplied is dead but i take your word for it as you are an upstanding mod here at ATS

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Is your link broken, Advisor? It didn't work for me.

I'll read the article but I have a very jaded opinion of any Rothschild. They never operate in a straight line.

Someone needs to say it? Where have you people been? People have been saying it for YEARS now. Just because the persons name wasn't Rothschild and because that person didn't get attention for it is besides the point.

Having him say such things is about like Jeffery Dahmer telling someone who ran a red light they are evil and shouldn't do that.

It's like a man standing in a mud puddle pointing out a smug on your shoes.

The people who are lazy and greedy are the people who run scams like the federal reserve and fractional banking with interest that makes it guarenteed that the people can never possible get out of debt, and will forever be paying the greedy and lazy.





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reply to post by Zepherian


I won't pretend that I can understand the complexities of this, because I don't. I imagine that there are very few who do, actually. However we argue it back and forth, perhaps his comments can be used as yet another wake up call to produce a workable solution, considering who he is. We must face facts...we allowed this to happen. We didn't question enough. Until now, we let them get away with it.

And I must respond to Bad Media also...of course I know that people have been talking about this for a long time. It has affected me personally more than once in the last few years. Perhaps...what Rothschild has done is to open the conversation up....that's all. We must also question the solution, and not accept what we are being offered by the same people who created the mess, even if we did sanction it with our behaviour.

reply to post by Master Shen long


Well, that’s rich coming from a greedy Illuminati (insert expletive here), who has sucked all of the wealth out of the global economy for centuries, and stored it in their Swiss bank accounts; who is the problem and not the solution. We have been kept poor whilst he and his followers have got rich beyond mankind’s wildest dreams.

Every side in every war for centuries, right up into 2009 in Gaza, has been financed by him and his kind. The USA economy and the current global financial crisis have been caused by the Illuminati of which he is a prime bloodline member. These are the men who financed the Holocaust and the sooner the world at large see them prosecuted for their crimes against mankind, the better.

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But he isn't even talking about a solution. He is blaming the people who are constantly stolen from as the problem, rather than the people who do the stealing as the problem. Which is him and his family.

If he had been talking about actual solutions, then he would have been attacking central banks. He would have been attacking the centralization of power. He would have been attacking fractional banking, and interest money that is expected to be paid but is never created.

Don't you get it? This is designed to happen. This is the system doing what it was designed to do. The entire economic system is design to steal from the poor and give it to the rich. It's all a constant transfer of wealth.

Lets say I own the entire worlds economy. I have $100 and that $100 is all the money there is. If I loan that money out @ interest, then that person has to pay me back $105. But the $5 is NEVER created and it is actually IMPOSSIBLE to pay back. As a result, the person who gains the loan will end up losing their real assets to me. Of course, this simplistic in the explanation, it is actually loaned out among a number of people, and thus the game of musical chairs starts up, as those who I loaned the money to are forced to compete with the others and try to take the other persons money in order to pay back their portion of the interest. Somewhere down the line, someone comes up short.

And this is only the tip of the iceberg, I could write a topic upon topic about it. But does he ever mention the true causes of things? No, just like status quo he mentions the symptoms and tries to find treatment for the symptoms while hiding the actual causes away.

All he is doing is whipping the horses who carry his carriage.

It's an insult is all it is.


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They play psychological warfare theres truth and lies in everything we are lazy and irresponsible but they influenced our society to be this way, 'sure you can have a house without having money sign here'.
because if someone destorys themselves who has pity for them?

Nobody and thats the game you find ways to make people destroy themselves and blame it on them, we few here see the hypocracy.
But they know that humans being human will be like that anyway without their influence but they do all they can to make us like that and in doing so they actually convinced themselves thats what people are like.

complete madness

One of the things I read about the Rothschild's is that they have roughly half of the worlds assets and wealth tied up in their family, so anything they say, other than giving their last words after an International Tribunal sentences them to death for their crimes against humanity is something I'm not prepared to even listen to. These guys are the ugliest, most psychotic creatures on earth. They set up Stalin from Georgian Zionist stock and played the cold war for their benefit. All wars, oil and the worlds bleak misery is in their hands, and their minions: the DuPont's, the Rockefeller, the Nazis. Not interested. I will continue to pray for justice for this world.

reply to post by caitlinfae


The complexity is a myth. Fractional reserve banking is very easy to understand, which is why it's not talked about. Derivatives are easy to spot as a scam, which is why they were not audited. See a pattern?

Economics is the simplest of sciences, either you have or you don't. Anything else is just sand thrown up into a storm so you can't see where you're going.

The complexity of it all is also a false meme. It's stunningly simple. There is more debt than the ability to pay for. Solution: reduce the debt to keep the system going. It's easier for the Rothschilds, or whoever holds credit on the faux debt, to lose a few trillion than it is for you or me to lose our house, our cars, our food. They will still have trillions left, we will be out on the street.

Who's greedy now?

Originally posted by badmedia
reply to post by caitlinfae

 

But he isn't even talking about a solution. He is blaming the people who are constantly stolen from as the problem, rather than the people who do the stealing as the problem. Which is him and his family.




[edit on 31-1-2009 by badmedia]

EXCELLENT observation!!!

My point was, and I do apologise for not making it very well, perhaps, is that the conversation about how we fix it needs to be opened up. We cannot accept the solutions being offered to us simply because they are being offered. There is no point at all in looking at who did what, at least not just now. When we've recovered and need to avoid it, sure, but we need alternative on the table now. That's why I think what de Rothschild said *might* be valuable. It doesn't matter that he hasn't provided a perfect solution...only that the discussion has begun. and I really don't care who they are...they will always be who they are, whether we like it or not. My issue is with those of us who have lost out because of them, and how WE can repair it. (And I DO absolutely know what I'm talking about here, so please don't accuse me of talking from a place of safety.) The whole problem, as already stated, is usury...we allowed them to sell us money, and a way of life, because we were greedy and lazy.

Maybe this isn't the correct place to have this conversation.

Nite all.

Cait

This headline is so hilarious and downright ironic...

Just imagine, this dude's net worth alone could bail us out of this mess.
Well, they say that you can not get to the top of the food chain without taking many people down on your way up there.

reply to post by caitlinfae


I did not agree to anything, I was born into the system. If anything the system has cost me jobs, has prevented me from working in a stable environment, from contributing to the greater wealth of society, as well as to my own wellbeing. But I got by, fortunately.

From a financial p.o.v the solution is simple, I have outlined it. In this context it is important to know where the source of the problem is, because it will show us who needs to be prodded to fix it. Enter the Rothschilds, and probably a few others. They need to address the debt issue, because if the debt is maintained the problem is maintained. And our debt it their credit. We can't ignore this.

A long term solution would sideline the whole money as debt paradigm of course, but even here we need to know who owns the debt, so they could be told "sorry, we're done here". Enter Rothschilds, and probably a few others.

See how this works? We can debate the issue, but to solve it these people need to sit at the table, not comment on it as if they have nothing to do with it, which is known to not be the case. Otherwise it will blow up sooner or later and big masses of people, rather than butting heads with riot police, will be searching for rich elitist, as the internet has given people focus that was not available the last few iterations of money as debt crisis.

I don't see it happening though, as people like Sir Evelyn simply look down on us as if we were cattle, and I suspect they are more interested in the slaughter than in sending us out to greener pastures, financially speaking.

Its not people that are lazy, its the corporations that are lazy, irresponsible, greedy and LAZY!

If corporations would simply spend more of their profits in salary for quality staff and stop paying peanuts to salary subscribers, if corporations would actually care for the environment and spend more on eco-friendly solutions and I could go on and on...the corporate environment is simply poisoned and needs a total revision.

Rothschild is simply cleaning his name with this as it was his family among others that created the corporate environment.

I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say that the Rothschild's and Rockefeller's of the world are all about to get slammed back to reality. Read my post and give me a second to explain where this is going.

The banks really screwed it up big this time. I noticed that somebody said that he didn't offer a solution to problem but he did, he said we all have to work to get out of this mess.

The truth of the matter is, which nobody wants to acknowledge, is that this banking scam is far beyond the depths and reaches that they can control. It seems like a lot of people on this board are all caught up on doom and gloom and fail to realize that the people running the show are only human and can make mistakes too, and like to preach the message that there is nothing we can do.

The fact is that the derivatives market is somewhere in the range of 50 and 60 trillion dollars. Every currency in the world is suffering, and losing value.

The plan of this crash was to crash the US economy and keep the Euro a vital asset so the PTB could continue the shell game which is along the lines of the US dollar is no longer relevant but the Euro is doing good we need to do that over here so we can stay solvent and keep up with the rest of the world.

Well as I mentioned early the bankers screwed up on this one totally and spread the debt so far and wide that not one currency is safe.

What Rothschild is simply mentioning here is that we all need to work to keep the funny money solvent so he retains his wealth. Eventually somebody prominent in the government is going to have to come forth and explain that central planning is the problem and fiat money doesn't work.

That won't happen though because the backlash will be unbelievable and there would be world wide fallout.

Rothschild is simply trying to save his own butt. The US, Europe, etc. are all trying to keep the status quo going and move to a socialist global governance even though the money(think control structure) isn't going to hold up.

Think of it this way:

The Rothschilds planned and executed the plans. The keepers they hired to see the plan though got too greedy and screwed everything up. The keepers dumbed the people down so much that most of them have an entitlement mentality. Which means the people they wanted to be workers don't want to work, they expect everything to be given to them.

The plan got screwed up and the world is up for the taking. The people that are in control are losing control and instead of setting their plans back a few decades they are so close to the goal that they don't want to concede to defeat because they are drunk with power and they want to have the power and not pass it on.

We are only human and we make mistakes. Rothschild has realized that conquering the world is an impossible feat, and now to maintain his wealth he is complaining and loudly, but the keepers don't want none of it.