H. R. 45 equals start of total gun control

frwebgate.access.gpo.gov...:h45ih.txt.pdf

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the finer points:

You will have to carry a photo ID firearms license.
A training class is required to be licensed.
Disclosure of your storage method is required for license.
A thumb print is required for license.
Every sale recorded by the federal government.
If you move, and don’t tell the Attorney General within 60 days, you are a criminal.
If a firearm is stolen and you don’t report it, you are a criminal.
There will be no grandfathered firearms. If you do not obtain a license and report every firearm you currently own, you are a criminal.
There will be a license fee and a fee for the “services” provided at purchase time.
Licenses must be renewed every 5 years.


[edit on 1/30/2009 by Jessicamsa]

Sorry, but none of this seems crazy to me. Guns are extremely dangerous and there's too many plain STUPID people out there to not have strict gun laws.

Deal with it. There are other ways to compensate for whatever you're trying to with guns. Try collecting really fast cars. Or just buy some Viagra.

Already an 18 page thread on this subject here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I suggest you read through it.

The first step to disarming law abiding citizens is to have a detailed list of all firearms, and who is in possession of them.

This bill won't get far.


Peace

[edit on 30-1-2009 by lernmore]

Originally posted by lernmore
Already an 18 page thread on this subject here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I suggest you read through it.

The first step to disarming law abiding citizens is to have a detailed list of all firearms, and who is in possession of them.

This bill won't get far.


Peace

[edit on 30-1-2009 by lernmore]

I guess I'm last to find out again lol oh well. I did a search and didn't see it, but ty for the link. Guess I need to catch up on reading again.

reply to post by ModernDystopia


So, what is your favorite flavor, cherry?

Originally posted by ModernDystopia
Sorry, but none of this seems crazy to me. Guns are extremely dangerous and there's too many plain STUPID people out there to not have strict gun laws.

Deal with it. There are other ways to compensate for whatever you're trying to with guns. Try collecting really fast cars. Or just buy some Viagra.

The only STUPID thing I see is someone who is so quick to allow the government to regulate individual rights. If this can be done with firearms, it can be done with every other right you have. How would you "deal" with that?

reply to post by ModernDystopia


Fast cars are more dangerous then firearms in many cases then guns, but we still let felons drive them. I say we ban them too.

Originally posted by ModernDystopia
Sorry, but none of this seems crazy to me. Guns are extremely dangerous and there's too many plain STUPID people out there to not have strict gun laws.

Deal with it. There are other ways to compensate for whatever you're trying to with guns. Try collecting really fast cars. Or just buy some Viagra.

Wanna unzip and compare? Thats what I thought. I will just embarass you this time with your ill informed method of thinking. Anyways I have guns and alot of them and a fast car, both of wich are of no concern when it comes to gun laws. The most violent places in the USA are the areas with the more intense gun laws. Look it up on the brady website. You can't refute facts unless you just like looking ignorant. Oklahoma is one of the least violent states in the Union but yet it has the most lax gun laws. In fact it was the #2 worst state for having relaxed gun laws. So please bless us with your insight into how guns need more regulation. Back it up with facts not assumptions. Didn't think you could. Go troll elsewhere.

reply to post by ModernDystopia


Hey, while you're busy declaring that the right to bare arms should be taxed, licensed, and regulated nearly into non-existence (and make no mistake, that's the purpose of this bill,) why don't you make the same arguments for our other rights?

Maybe we can pass laws that state we need a special permit to be safe from unlawful searches and seizures. After all, there should be no reason a law-abiding citizen can't apply for, and be granted, such a permit, right? All they would have to do when facing a police search is present their permit. "Sorry, officer, I have obtained permission to be protected by the Constitution!" Without such a licensing system, the cops might have a hard time knowing who they can get away with harassing!

We should probably have similar laws for freedom of speech. After all, talking without a license is dangerous to society. Without proper monitoring by the police, you can say all kinds of things that can stir up trouble. Without a strict "Free Speech Registration," anybody could express any opinion they wanted to - there would be no way of stopping bad people from disagreeing with the government!

Let's get religion into this, also. You never know when some "religion" might actually be a crazy cult, teaching its members that the word of the religion's founder supersedes that of the government. So let's make sure that you can't be caught anywhere near a church unless that church is approved and licensed by the government to preach its beliefs to others. And just to make sure nobody is supporting an evil terrorist church, we'll make everyone report to the government annually on what religion they practice.

How about abolition of slavery? That's a dangerous thing there. Thanks to abolition, there's all kinds of black people running around, possibly doing horrible things, just like gun owners! We better round up every American, and make sure they obtain a special photo ID exempting them from slavery. Anyone with a criminal record gets turned down! Without such an ID, criminals can be removed from the streets by anyone seeking workers - employers will be capturing bad guys and putting them to work! Free cheap labor, and violent people off the streets! Where can we go wrong?!

I'm sure, your almighty huge penisness, that you don't believe my comparisons are legitimate. I'm sure you think the Second Amendment is a special case, because of the "danger" of guns. However, all the things we have the right to bear can be dangerous. Speech can incite rebellion. Religion can preach intolerance. Privacy can hide ill-intent. Even freeing the slaves had its backlash. Should we then limit all of these rights only to pre-approved license holders?

And I'm sure, as you sit in your special little chair in your avant garde little home, marveling at the incredibly humorous humor that you've humored us with (AKA, sitting in mom's basement making penis jokes,) you will remain unconvinced that a Right is important if it's not one that you personally exercise. How incredibly self-righteous of you.

No, we should not submit to such blatantly inhumane laws - our license and registration to practice our rights is inherent with U.S. Citizenship.

One more time, in bold, just in case you were too busy Googling more Viagra jokes to read it the first time: Our license and registration to practice our rights is inherent with U.S. Citizenship.

reply to post by mattifikation


You my friend, have earned a hell of alot of respect from me for this post. Man am I glad people like you still exist.

The only way this happens if the NRA gun control lobby is behind it, like any other gun control legislation put forward. IMO they'll be behind it.

reply to post by ModernDystopia


I hope you will have had remembered to take your viagra when you have to 'compensate for' someone busting your door in with intentions of harming you and your family. You can then fend them off with your 'biological weapon'.

Funny, if TSHTF, it's these same anti gun folks who will be expecting to be protected by those who were smart enough to prepare for themselves.