Refinery strikes spread across UK

The Italian company even had the cheek to say there would be no British redundancies...

Of course there won't be, they don't employ Brits...

It's truly a shame what's going on, so many people out of work and yet companies are allowed to boat in their own people. We really are the laughing stock of the world when it comes to immigration and looking after the British people of all creeds and colours.

And for Brown to criticize these striking workers is insane considering his pledge re jobs.

Don't blame the one's trying it out, blame the ultra PC fools who allowed this to happen, most likely the same fools who would be up in arms if any of these people moved near their quaint villages!

And now our government is telling us that although this company shipped in ~400 Italian workers without giving the UK workers an opportunity to apply for any of the job's the Uk workforce wasn't discriminated against

The whole EU project is there purely as a gravy train for Euro MP's and legislators, nothing more.

Peter Mandelson, that reprehensible little t**d says that UK workers can go and work in other EU countries if they are not happy here! Well he did, but of course he was riding that EU gravy train and was well recompensed for doing so.
All the talk about protectionism from the pro EU brigade is nonsense, it is simply the rule of fair play that applies here.
Yes, many British companies do business in Europe but do not exclude the local workforces and ship in only British workers. If we did that we'd see other Europeans complaining and taking to the streets, and rightly so.

Originally posted by solidshot

There you have it Ted heath signed away our rights in the 70's and now it is coming back to haunt us, and it will be made worse with this government standing by and doing nothing to help

well said- when the dust inevitably settles and we do save our nation at some point in the future, one of the biggest British criminals and traitors will undoutedly be Heath

Brown has described the strikes as 'indefensible'.

www.guardian.co.uk...

What is indefensible is Brown's stance.
These are genuine concerns being expressed by British people which he seems to have a complete disregard for due to his allegiance to his European overlords.
Europe's wishes are taking precedence over British concerns.
British workers are being discriminated against and Brown does nothing, yet again.

Time and again I have tried to defend Brown, why I don't know, but enough is enough, the man is a bungling buffoon incapable of independant thought and his government is riddled with inertia and inactivity.

This could just be the tip of the iceberg.
I have spoken to several friends who walked out on Friday and several who intend to stage a 1 day strike later in the week.
The widespread support for these strikes id unprecedented in recent times and could spread very, very quickly.

What would Brown's response be to a General Strike?

Originally posted by Freeborn
Brown has described the strikes as 'indefensible'.

www.guardian.co.uk...

What is indefensible is Brown's stance.
These are genuine concerns being expressed by British people which he seems to have a complete disregard for due to his allegiance to his European overlords.
Europe's wishes are taking precedence over British concerns.
British workers are being discriminated against and Brown does nothing, yet again.

Time and again I have tried to defend Brown, why I don't know, but enough is enough, the man is a bungling buffoon incapable of independant thought and his government is riddled with inertia and inactivity.

This could just be the tip of the iceberg.
I have spoken to several friends who walked out on Friday and several who intend to stage a 1 day strike later in the week.
The widespread support for these strikes id unprecedented in recent times and could spread very, very quickly.

What would Brown's response be to a General Strike?

This shows the inherent shallowness of Labour when it attempts to be

"tough on crime"
"Crackdown on immigration"
"PRO BRITISH"

it has no intention of doing any of these things, so when their public tabloid utterings come back to haunt them they disassociate themselves with it.

The liberal establishment is bringing us to a rather nasty s**tstorm

reply to post by blueorder


Whilst I agree, unfortunately Cameron would be little, if any, better than Brown.
The man is so wishy-washy and instill's no confidence whatsoever.
He is also pro-European.
Sorry, but I suspect it would be more of the same.

No current politician seems to have the balls and strength of conviction to stand up to our European masters.
The shame of it!

Originally posted by Freeborn

Whilst I agree, unfortunately Cameron would be little, if any, better than Brown.
The man is so wishy-washy and instill's no confidence whatsoever.
He is also pro-European.
Sorry, but I suspect it would be more of the same.

No current politician seems to have the balls and strength of conviction to stand up to our European masters.
The shame of it!

sorry, I should have caveated Labour/TOry, both the same

I support these guys, especially given the chilly weather they are currently having. If it came to a General Strike, I would join in.

At the end of the day, anyone running a business in the UK should have to employ any British person ahead of any foreign worker, providing they are equally qualified for the job.

I couldn't give a rats arse what any EU legislation says (actually the EU worker protection laws have been undermined by the unlelected European Court rulings), that's what needs to be done.

I don't care if some call it protectionism, it is what is needed to safe guard our jobs and our economy.

reply to post by Freedom ERP


Sheesh! White supremacism again... like in the good old pre-1933 days, eh? Ah yeah... "the problem's not with capitalism but with immigrants ripping us off and companies hiring them to do so"... SO we have to accuse all these jewish-backed companies and expose them for their crimes against the Great white British race.

...bullocks for low lives.



Bring on the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" back to the menu again... we need more neo-nazi persecution complex here! And what about ATS adding some "Sieg Heil" smileys to punctuate your posts?

[edit on 2/2/09 by Echtelion]

I don't know but..............................

This combined with a previous post of 150K foreign workers in UK.

Well, if the highly paid British worker strike, they may find they are replaced by lower paid "other" workers.

Originally posted by Echtelion
reply to post by Freedom ERP

 

Sheesh! White supremacism again... like in the good old pre-1933 days, eh? Ah yeah... "the problem's not with capitalism but with immigrants ripping us off and companies hiring them to do so"... SO we have to accuse all these jewish-backed companies and expose them for their crimes against the Great white British race.

...bullocks for low lives.

Bring on the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" back to the menu again... we need more neo-nazi persecution complex here! And what about ATS adding some "Sieg Heil" smileys to punctuate your posts?

[edit on 2/2/09 by Echtelion]

utterly insane post, nothing worse than someone trying to debate surpress with their medievel style witch hunt cries of "racism"- in fact such actions and attempts at repression, make extremism and racism more likely, kudos to you

reply to post by Mclaneinc



I support them 100%. Refinery's are not only ticking time bombs and a danger to live near, they smell awful too, contribute to Asthma and the fallout leaves soot on your windows, cars and washing. Too right the locals should have first opportunity for jobs. To undercut for cheaper foreign labour/skills is just wrong! What happened to equal opportunities. In effect they are treating the labour force like they are there are utility bills, if they find someone cheaper they go with them!!! I have no objection to foreign labour, providing they do not undercut UK citizens in the process. Foreign or UK based, the jobs should go to localites first to offsett the environmental and danger impact. I remember when they had a small explosion a few years back, that was enough to worry the local communities.

www.hse.gov.uk...

www.answers.com...

www.guardian.co.uk...

archives.tcm.ie...



I'd be angry if i was a local and my job was given to foreign workers to save money. They must think we have short memories!!!

link for you for current situation:

www.thisisgrimsby.co.uk...

The problem isn't the foreign workers, it is the legislation, the truth is we can also work abroad, they are only using the oportnities presented to them. I think in light of the current the economic climate this legisltion needs reviewing and i think also companies that make an impact on the health and environment of the communties that they situate there selves in should offset this by giving locals first refusal of job opportunities.

Hey, remember were northerners, we stand firmly by our principles. If we play by the rules we expect our employers to do the same, however these employers are using rules to their own advantage regardless of the effects upon its workforce or community.






[edit on 2-2-2009 by MCoG1980]

reply to post by Echtelion


What a load of tosh!

Where, in that or any other post in this thread, has anyone espoused a "white supremacist" or "anti-Jew" comment?

Typical left wing, PC soaked drivel, based on nothing of substance and designed solely to put down a dissenting point of view by labelling the view-holder as something unpallatable, without actually addressing any of the valid points or concerns raised by said person.

You aren't a Labour Minister, are you?

Where do these people come with the old racist card...Jesus wept.

Did it not occur to him that we have British who actually are other than white?

And those same people are being ignored for jobs too..

Of course his twee Canadian town probably isn't suffering the same fate as us so it's easy to throw stones from afar.

reply to post by Echtelion


WTF are you talking about!
No-one here has uttered anything racist at all.
I really couldn't give a toss if a person is black, brown, yellow, white or whatever, if they are British they are British.
And if they are British then they are being discriminated against in their own country!
Your PC drivel is driven by political dogma and has no basis in fact.
Please provide one quote from this thread where anyone has posted anything racist!

reply to post by Freeborn


Well first Pa Broon has been meeting with the Chinese Premier - ironically Britain has a long history of democracy and innovation where as China has a long history of social unrest and an industry based on producing inexpensive copies of established foreign products - in other words 'copywright piracy'

"Piracy has also cost the United States an estimated 150,000 jobs and $1 billion in lost tax revenue, said Sen. Joseph Biden (now VP) , a Delaware Democrat and member of the group." RedOrbit 5th April 2006 www.redorbit.com...

Although it is being under-reported, possibly due to the bad weather, the unofficial wildcat strikes are spreading, at an alarming rate; so much so that the official media disinformation teams have been rolled out in anticipation of 'trouble-at-mill'.

The 'spin' is that our workers are discriminating against Italian workers, they are being xenophobic, no doubt we can expect to see the term 'unsociable', ala George Orwell, to be 'promoted'; truth is the workers are worried about contracts being assigned to foreign multinationals who then 'parachute' in a ready made work force. Total has been uncharacteristically 'reticent' apart from a meeting with Lord Mandelson (no yachts please by request). Unfortunately Lord Mandelson seemed to be much better at articulating the French company's position than defending British workers actions.

Back to Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao, who stated that "concerted efforts" were needed to "address the common challenges that we face". Pa Broon was talking about the economic downturn, Mr Wen may well have also been refering obliquely to China's most recent episode of 'social upheaval'
Remember Tiananmen Square 1989 or Mr Xu Wanping jailed for 'subverting state power' by staging an anti-Japanese protest. Mr Wen got 14 years in prison.

Premier Wen could easily have recieved a signed copy of have Mrs Thatcher's tome 'The Road to Power' with the pages related to the miners strike grubby and underlined.

One way of holding on to power when you are facing election obliteration is to provoke a crisis requiring strong governance/leadership - usually civil or military, the desired result is to provoke citizens into sanctioning the 'temporary' suspension of 'habeous corpus' in the interest of 'National Security'.

It's been done before, former Canadian PM Pierre Elliott Trudeau 1970, a country where the Queen remains Head of State - recently Mr Harper's minority govt. has had parliament suspended when facing the real challenge of a vote of no confidence PM Harper was being accussed of not doing enough to protect Canadian interests during the economic crisis, at home and abroad.

De ja vu? Couldn't happen here? Remember you read it here first

Returning to Pa Broon and China, Britain could benefit from a potential £4 billion in future exports, but what he didn't say was exactly what do we manufacture here that China is not be able to simply copy on an unimaginable scale. Our balace of trade deficit with China will not be balanced by undefined 'fuzzy exports' that may come to nothing.

All of the above is my humble opinion, much of it informed via a BA in Political Economy, the rest is years spent as a union shop steward then business owner. I accept that my views may well be misinformed, mistaken or just plain wrong ... they are theoretical exploration and self-informed speculation, not gospel testament.

'Be seeing you' (the late Patrick McGoohan's 'Number 6')

reply to post by colec156

Sir: If you are looking for reasons, there is one and only place to find them: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, no matter how many times
those that call it a libel, since 1896, the time it was unveiled, everything
you can read in the 24 protocols has happened or about to happen.
America is being used as a tool to the programmed ends of the hellish
people that has written such a devilish plot to globalise, own and control
world affairs. If your answer is that is all about conspiracy theories, the
simple answer is to confront the Protocols with recent times facts, in
particular, banks. money,media, and wars and then you´ll know about
the CAUSE OF THE CALAMITOUS PRESENT DAYS.-

reply to post by Echtelion


I see that other members have jumped on some of your comments regarding my post and like them I am hard pressed to see the basis for them.

The whole point of my post and I think this thread was to give us the opportunity to talk about an issue that with the current spate of announced job losses in the UK, is much more to the fore.

And I will be happy to stand up and be counted as putting Britain and its people first, and if they means people want to call me a racist, bring it on.

It is my contention that Western Allies the US, Britain and Canada are being targeted for economic collapse by the Bilderberger Group to consolidate their banking interests and Oil and Gas interests. Queen Beatrice of Royal Dutch Shell has enough money to drive Oil prices down at the expense of other small Oil and gas companies across the planet who will eventually fold due to exploration and production costs outstripping sales income and once they fold the bitch and her Bilderberger Elite will reap the spoils thus consolidating there control over World Banking and Energy.

The US is being attacked to weaken their military, Britain is being attacked due to there support of the US and some degree their military abilities, Canada is being attacked so the Bilderbergers can consolidate ther control of our natural resources, they have already captured control over many large land areas throughout the World under the guise of UN World Heritage Sites these edicts remove jurisdictional control from the country of their location over to the UN.

The EU has consolidated control of the European continent under UN direction. North America is being targeted for the proposed North American Union of the US, Mexico and Canada possibly Central and South America under the guise of Free Trade Agreements. For example now we in Canada have so called free trade with the US but as an individual I still pay import tax and duties on any goods from the US, but the large corporations are free from levies. And our borders are being pushed open to freer movement of goods and services and labour much like has happened in Europe.

ie. Nafta Superhighways

video.google.com...

So called Ecological groups under UN auspices are asking Joe Public to donate to their causes so they buy up land to protect the land from Ecological damage from big corporations. Bull# they are using are money to buy up huge tracts of land in strategic locations to tie up and control resources and they have already forgotten who donated to their causes.

www.ngws.org...

We must wake up before we are all marching the Goose step heading to Concentration camps, because this is what the World Elite are preparing for the reduction of the Worlds population by 80% and absolute control over the unfortunate people that remain.

May God stop this evil in its tracks, but he will only intervene when we as people wake up to the truth and work together to break the backs of the World Elite.