mexico open border

If 9-11 hadn�t happened would Mexico have become an open border like Canada?
I heard a rumor that the Mexican border would be opened and people could come and go like they do in Canada. Can you imagine what this would have done to the jobs and wages in the USA?

Well mexico is pretty much an open border, in a sense I suppose, illegal immigrants can no work freely in the United States, which only tells those in mexico that it is okay to cross the border illegaly. As for the jobs, by using companies of foreign origin, the United States is digging a hole for themselves, but hiring cheaper labor, and laying off jobs.

there is also the black market items perscription drugs arse the first thing to come to mind

A real simple solution.......Put up an electrified fence with motion detectors and machine guns. Any ILLEGAL will either get fried or blasted into millions of pieces. Problem Solved!!!!!!

From the stats given on the Homeland (In)Security site from 1992 to 2000 the average number of apprehensions on the US Mexico border was 1.2 million PER YEAR!

The guys on the border say that for each illegal caught another 5 to 6 get through.

Can you do the math? There aren't 8 - 10 million illegals here; the correct number is something around 40 million and climbing daily.

Just figure a jumbo jet per hour is landing and dumping its cargo in the US HOURLY. Oh, and don't forget the terrorist cells among those crossing under our noses - they're here too.

In Cochise county Arizona there's a smuggling trail named "the Arab Road" wanna guess why?

Originally posted by IKnowNothing
Well mexico is pretty much an open border, in a sense I suppose, illegal immigrants can no work freely in the United States, which only tells those in mexico that it is okay to cross the border illegaly. As for the jobs, by using companies of foreign origin, the United States is digging a hole for themselves, but hiring cheaper labor, and laying off jobs.

Pretty soon they can vote and get drivers licenses...and already they are entitled to govt aid w/o paying taxes...im beginning to fail to see why am I better off as a citizen....

Originally posted by wget
If 9-11 hadn�t happened would Mexico have become an open border like Canada?
I heard a rumor that the Mexican border would be opened and people could come and go like they do in Canada. Can you imagine what this would have done to the jobs and wages in the USA?

Please, tell me what the difference is. I live near the Canadian border--the Detroit/Windsor border. Even pre 9/11, you were asked where you were born, and could be asked to prove it.
You ALWAYS had to go past a checkpoint. How is that different from the US-Mexico border?

In the Mexican border they more frequently search your person/vehicle...just overall less strict on the people traveling through...on average a Canadian will visit the US...then go home eventually...Mexicans like staying...

You ALWAYS had to go past a checkpoint. How is that different from the US-Mexico border?

Here you just walk in. California has only 3 check points for its entire population; Arizona has 3; New Mexico 1; and Texas about 4 (I think). That's about a dozen for a 2000 mile long border.

Due to NAFTA the border checkpoints are choked with commercial traffic. Interstates 8 and 10 aren't far from the border and Interstates 15, 5, 17, and 19 provide illegals with easy access northward.

Its the transportation infrastructure that makes the Arizona / Mexico border so attractive.

Besides, the entire population of Central America is pressing against our Southern border - there's not many people pressing south from Canada. Add to that the economic differences and you have a recipe for demographic warfare - In case you haven't noticed, Mexico's international politics are at odds with those of the US.

Vincente Fox considers "North America" a "Region" consider his perspective as a motive for encouraging his peoople to migrate northward - to free social care and employment - things his government won't or can't provide.

In 1982 the Raza Unity Party (Racial Unity) held its first meeting with the PLO. In September 2001 only days following 9/11 a conference on "Homeland Creation" was held at the University of New Mexico with one of the featured speakers being the Finance Minister of the PA.

www.aztlan.net...

You have to see this hate site to believe it - problem is, they believe it therefore it will impact you.

nice to have an open border, and yet before long i will have to be scanned or whatever you may call it to fly on a plane to be sure i'm not a so called terrorist, that makes sense.

There is a simple solution to the "mexico" problem and its really easy.

Mexican person wants to come to America to work, live etc. Instead of crossing the border illegally they stop at the California - Welcome to America - Building. Once there they fill out some paperwork (for a background check with Mexican officals) and to register them in the US Foreign Nationals Database. Then they pay $500.00 to the State of Entry, if Texas then Texas gets the money, if California then California gets the money. The state then in turn must pay $100.00 to the Feds.

This $500.00 allows the Mexican National to apply for a US worker permit which costs $50.00 plus any local or county impound taxes, in the city the choose to "relocate" to.

If a Foreign National is caught in the US without having a registration number then they get fined Triple the registration fee ($1,500.00) plus a penalty for every year that they worked here without a valid work permit. The business employing the "illegal" would get a fine of $7,200.00 for each "illegal" worker they are found to have employed.

If the Foreign National can not pay the fines by their court date or if they skip their court date. Then when they are picked up again they will be sent to a either a State or Federal work program in which they will work on behalf of the State or Fed for free at the rate of 1/10 the going minium wage until their original fines and penalties have been paid. This could result in working the forest line, digging rock, picking up trash along the nations highways, dump re-cycling sorting or any other manually intensive labor task.

So lets say that for one year in California 5 million Mexican Nationals came to the border for entry into California and all paid the $500.00 entry fee. California would receive 2.5 Billion dollars and through a fee deferral program could delay paying the Fed its portion for up to 5 years on those funds. These monies could go into support all sorts of Goverment Agencies that are currently being burdend by the illegal alien population.

Plus as a work permited Mexican National they would have to be paid like a regular US worker with All State and Federal Taxes being taken out.

This my friends would end the "illegal Alien/ Mexico" problem.

And for you people that say oh $500.00 is too much, they would just sneak into the country anyways. Realize the fact that MANY, MANY people who come into this country from Mexico pay "coyotes" up to $3,000 a piece to get them into California. Thats USD my friends that the "US" does not see. So I think $500.00 is cheap to know that its well spent and that they would be entering the country legally.


[Edited on 20-4-2004 by robertfenix]

Your plan has a couple of things missing:

(1) that the miles of lonely open border is sealed either through technology or manpower. Otherwise why would they bother with a check-point?

(2) That upon entry, any employer pay a substantial "displaced American worker" fee

(3) That NO foreign registered worker can apply for or receive ANY form of social welfare benefit (other than emergency services). This applies to college tuition too.

(4) That their children born here are NOT US citizens! This includes NO bi-lingual education what-so-ever.

(5) That serious safeguards are taken to insure that they cannot participate in our political processes.

(6) That the laws which govern them are those of their home country - not US law. This includes home country criminal penalties too.

Add these few things to your plan and its complete - problem goes away through attrition.

[Edited on 4/21/2004 by Border Guy]

Our borders have become a regular blue light special!

Since the Bush Amnesty proposal last January, border crossings have risen 26% over the same period of time last year.

And now, not to be out-pandered - we have the Democratic Amnesty proposal on the table.

www.azconservative.org...

An endless supply of workers for all the un-skilled and semi-skilled jobs that are just begging for someone to do them - and at wages just as depressing too. Is the economy that good?

[Edited on 5/11/2004 by Border Guy]

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No no no...get this...the illegals....who are in my neighborhood working as "day laborers"....are now untouchable...they have a UNION....and the media is all for them....lemme get this straight...im allowed to have 100 mexicans standing on my block looking for work....drinking....fighting...and blocking traffic...and its ok????....let this same group go into downtown manhattan...or some ritzy Area of Queens and see how long it lasts!!!

Why is every one so anti-mexican? The world is no longer looked at in "countries" but in" regions". We are an international market. You can witness this by the creation of the European Union. A union which is growing larger and larger everyday with new countries asking to be let in. If you pay attention they are at a point where some time from now they will be able to rival American economy. Military wise they are way behind, but got us by the nuts with economic sanctions.Sooner or later the U.S. will have follow suit, thus NAFTA thus allowing business with open boarders and later having to creat a union with Latin American states and Canada. It's American intrest that Mexico be a success on way or another. Mexico being the "superpower" among Latin America has the pull that US will need in order to sustain itself. Think about a world super power with America Canda and Mexico. Looks much safer than one country againts a whole region.

"Why is every one so anti-mexican? The world is no longer looked at in "countries" but in" regions". We are an international market."

The world isn't capable nor ready for a one-global government.

HA! The European Union... being that Europe is being taken over by Muslims, the EU will begin appeasing them and sooner or later they will be running things. The war against the Caucasian race will spread and begin the ultimate destruction of the race.

Because folks, the "War on terror" is in reality a race/culture war.

[Edited on 12-5-2004 by RedOctober90]

First, we are a sovereign nation. NOT a "union" of whatever.

Second, the EU is having its share of problems. Read beyond the media hype. Prime is ... illegal immigration. Special interests will in short order pull the bonds of union apart over there.

Third, Mexico is NOT the superpower of South America - ever hear of Brazil (among others). They have their own space program - and a solid economy.

Fourth, not ALL Central and South American countries want to be part of a Union of the Americas.

Fifth, To achieve parity the United States will have to reduce it's level of education and development DOWN to a point that there isn't such a huge gap between US and Mexico - Does anyone want that???

Lastly - and most importantly - Mexicans only account for 47% of the illegal aliens crossing our borders. The other 53% come from everywhere else. China is #2 in the export of illegal aliens to this country.

By the way - last week they apprehended 60 "persons from countries of interest" ... translation = from states who sponsor terrorism. That means that another 100 got through into the US.

Even better Idea.

Employing illegal aliens will result in a fine to the employers of 100,000 US dolars per head per illegal they employ. Minimum fine, larger fines for extenuating circumstances. Plus, a minimum sentance of 5 years in jail for anyone involved in hiring them. No exceptions.

A reward to any citizen of 1000 dollars per head of any illegal they turn in succesfully. Just like rewards for information leading to the arrest of felons. The reward money would be a drop in the bucket compared the the amount of money saved nationally through jobs, taxes, benefits, ect.

Never would I even consider a union with Mexico and canada. This is the western hemisphere. I hardly see the European Union as something to gladly emulate, but something dire and self destructive in its own right.

On top of that, barricading the US-Mexican border. All those troops we have overseas could be returned home to patrol our borders and seize anyone they catch trying to cross in the middle of the night.