What Happens When the Rich Have the Money & Own Everything?

I think few people could argue that there is not a trend operating where the rich get richer, gather up more money, and own more and more land and corporations, and thereby have greater influence and control over government.

Once they've gathered up everything, where does it leave the ordinary worker? Right now we have to plead to a company or person to get a job - someone or some thing that has access to money, infrastructure, machines, materials so that we can make a living. What if the people who own these things reach the point that they own so much of the world that there is nothing more to acquire?

If the motivator of business is profit, but there are no more profits to be had, where does it leave the billions of workers in the world?

Where do we go? Are we killed or discarded like so many useless cattle or obsolete machines?

If profit is the reason for human effort, then then the measure of success is greed and the result is suffering and catastrophe.

I submit that the only way to remedy this situation is to redefine the purpose of commerce and business as not one of ever-increasing profit, but to declare that it exists to serve human needs. Sustainable, efficient movement and organization of materials to facilitate and enhance human life, not acquisition of wealth to impoverish and make desperate the masses under your control. This control is an illusion.

What Happens When the Rich Have the Money & Own Everything?

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Originally posted by username371
Once they've gathered up everything, where does it leave the ordinary worker? Right now we have to plead to a company or person to get a job - someone or some thing that has access to money, infrastructure, machines, materials so that we can make a living.

I think this answers your own question.

Except there won't be pleading or begging, it will simply be "do as you are told", or die.

The other solution of course is to get together in communities and explore alternative economies, such as moneyless resource societies, and survival groups, and simply redefine politics. Walk away from it all. Group up and support each other, share. Refuse to allow any of them their rights. Treat them all like the psycho criminals they are. Give them no more money, and consider the entire world yours and your childrens. Thats what I propose.

Robin Hoods start coming out of the woods and stealing from them.

The kind of wealth redistribution we will soon start seeing.

Originally posted by mystiq
The other solution of course is to get together in communities and explore alternative economies, such as moneyless resource societies, and survival groups, and simply redefine politics. Walk away from it all. Group up and support each other, share. Refuse to allow any of them their rights. Treat them all like the psycho criminals they are. Give them no more money, and consider the entire world yours and your childrens. Thats what I propose.

i flag this one good point there mystiq only way forward

reply to post by jam321


but that is communism ,,

isn't it wrong to steal from others illegally ...

so how come you support communism

A time will come when the greed of the very few will cost them more than just their trinkets.
Nevertheless, I think we sort of deserve our fate. Honestly, we've been paying functionally illiterate athletes millions for the sheer entertainment of watching them play a dumb game.
Meanwhile, those that teach our children, care for our sick, and dream up the trinkets we all hold so dear (scientists for those to thick to get the inference) struggle to simply make ends meet.
Yes, we deserve it indeed!

Give me some bling playa, I wanna take my bass boat to the lake and spend the weekend with my trophy MILF!

Well, I guess if only a handful of families have all the money, none of them will need to work and it will sort of be like the days of kings and peasants.

You will have the royal families and the rest of us at the bottom.

Even so, I can't imagine why they would go through so much trouble just to achieve this unless they truly feel that they are entitled.

They lose it on the stock market in a New York minute

www.newser.com...

5. Warren Buffet Loss: $13.6 billion. Though he’s bought when others wouldn’t and come to the rescue of many (Goldman and GE, to start), losses dropped the famed investor’s liquid wealth to a paltry $48.1 billion.

4. Mukesh Ambani Loss: $28.2 billion. Ambani controls Reliance Industries, the world’s largest polyester producer. Though he overtook Lakshmi Mittal as India’s richest individual this year, his investments still took a hit.

3. Sheldon Adelson Loss: $30 billion. The downturn has left many Americans soured on gambling, and this casino mogul may have the largest paper loss in US history, adjusted for inflation. Put another way, Adelson lost $1,000 a second this year.

2. Lakshmi Mittal Loss: $30.5 billion. Stocks drops and production cuts at steel titan ArcelorMittal downgraded him from being India’s richest man in 2007.

1. Anil Ambani Loss: $32.5 billion. Ambani’s Reliance Communications has thrown his money at Hollywood this year, investing $500 million in DreamWorks alone, but losses have hit him harder than anyone in the world.

You wanna subsidize 40% of that loss? No... you just want to take 40% when they make the money.

Originally posted by sadchild01
reply to post by jam321

 

but that is communism ,,

isn't it wrong to steal from others illegally ...

so how come you support communism

when the rich don't pay their workers fairly, that is stealing the labor of a worker to enrich themselves. i think the french have it right...when the workers there feel that they are being used by big business, they simply walk off the job, and i mean all of them. french people won't take the kind of crap that americans do from their employers. the majority of the people tell the government what they will and will not except. they have been through revolutions where the rich have taken advantage of the regular people and they simply won't tolorate it. people in france understand the phrase "work to live, not live to only work".

[edit on 29-1-2009 by jimmyx]

Originally posted by traderjack
A time will come when the greed of the very few will cost them more than just their trinkets.

You got that sh** right, Jack!!
There will come a time for torches and pitchforks...

And yes, the people , in America anyway, have no-one to blame but themselves....but they were purposefully led astray by powerful forces of greed, lust and comfort..

I've said it before and I will repeat it now for the benefit fo this thread. It is very simple, really. When the wealthy acquire all of the wealth, their wealth will mean nothing. Why? Because people will begin to ignore fiat currency and will begin trading in services and bartering goods. The wealthy have neither any valuable skills nor goods considered indespensible for survival. They will be left on the outside of a system that they created and it will ultimately cost them.

Think about it... what good is $200 Billion when currency has collapsed and the average man or woman no longer has need nor use for it? A yaught, a Bentley, a Mansion which can neither be heated nor cared for - what good are these things? Who would want them when the average person is trading eggs for bread or doctors care for construction services?

The problem that we are facing now, which will require a massive paradigm shift, is that we have worshipped at the alter of greed for far too long. We have coveted the wealth that others have wrongly acquired and sold out our morals and values to join the race for wealth. We have allowed those "Haves" to dictate how we act and live so that we may also acquire wealth. The time has come to tell them to shove it where the sun don't shine!

Mankind will continue, societies will continue but they will be very dependent upon cooperative effort by all participants - everyone pulling their weight equally. The rich have simply relied on making money off of other people's hard work for far too long. I am excited by the prospect that this may all be coming to an end.

reply to post by jimmyx


you are talking about communism again ?? you americans love capitalism like the wild west , like that of the 18-19 century .... ''

so how come you support communism ??

rs fairly, that is stealing the labor of a worker to enrich themselves. i think the french have it right...when the workers there feel that they are being used by big business, they simply walk off the job, and i mean all of them.

so , they can shift their jobs to mexico/china do you want that??

[edit on 29-1-2009 by sadchild01]

Originally posted by kozmo

Mankind will continue, societies will continue but they will be very dependent upon cooperative effort by all participants - everyone pulling their weight equally. The rich have simply relied on making money off of other people's hard work for far too long. I am excited by the prospect that this may all be coming to an end.

Very well said...

As long as mankind exists, we will have greed and envy, but the new reality will necessitate a sustainable cooperation that will help mute these evils in the name of simple survival...

I am looking forward to this change as well..but it will not be won without considerable sacrifice and pain..

reply to post by sadchild01


I don't think you get it... We DO NOT support Communism. We support freedom, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Communism, as we all know, does not work. We already have a form of communism here where the oligarchs own and control everything and the government (Owned by the oligarchs) give minimally for the survival of the people - Social Security, Welfare, Food Stamps, Medicare, Medicaid etc...

No we support freedom of individuals to choose their fate and destiny without the shackles of some made up currency.

username371:

I give you a star!

\I submit that the only way to remedy this situation is to redefine the purpose of commerce and business as not one of ever-increasing profit, but to declare that it exists to serve human needs. Sustainable, efficient movement and organization of materials to facilitate and enhance human life, not acquisition of wealth to impoverish and make desperate the masses under your control. This control is an illusion.\

Exactly! And its exactly what Stalin did when rejected marxism and communism and raised wild country from ruins in 10 years only.

\I've said it before and I will repeat it now for the benefit fo this thread. It is very simple, really. When the wealthy acquire all of the wealth, their wealth will mean nothing. Why? Because people will begin to ignore fiat currency and will begin trading in services and bartering goods. The wealthy have neither any valuable skills nor goods considered indespensible for survival. They will be left on the outside of a system that they created and it will ultimately cost them.\

Not true!
There will be the same as in russia before the revolution: 90% ignorant and illiterate peasants or white slaves and 10 % of aristocracy which amasses wealth and lives on the labour of the rest 90%...
you woouldnt be able to barter any goods because you wont have access to it, you wont be able to receive any education since you wont be able to pay for it and your services will be bought for cents!

And forget about communism: the redistribution of wealth goes only one way!



[edit on 29-1-2009 by Russi]

reply to post by kozmo


your system is corporate capitalism ...

and capitalism is survival of the fittest , aka darwin theory

you are in favour of communism ,not capitalism

Communism, as we all know, does not work.

Communism works very well ,particularly, the Stalinist and Brezhnevist models ..
Stalinist models for rapid industraliztion and development ....
brezhnev's ways for mature communist model , when communist society becomes stable



[edit on 29-1-2009 by sadchild01]

\Communism works very well ,particularly, the Stalinist and Brezhnevist models .. \

Please dont mix the absolutely different models and systems!
the only system that worked and produced grandiose results was Stalins!
All the next leaders just wasted away all these results....the next 40 years they all lived on the basis that Stalin left...
check all the economic figures and stats! Its amazing...
and Stalins criticism of marxism!

\Stalinist models for rapid industraliztion and development .... \

All the system was based on the Moral code that was abolished in 1953, the year of his murder. The ruin of the USSR started right after his death!
Not on communism or marxism ideology (it was only a screen!)!

\brezhnev's ways for mature communist model , when communist society becomes stable..\

the Brezhnev rule was a total disaster... when people learned what crisis, deficit and bureaucracy is...and stratification of society started...



[edit on 29-1-2009 by Russi]

Originally posted by jam321
Robin Hoods start coming out of the woods and stealing from them.

The kind of wealth redistribution we will soon start seeing.

Oh gooooooooody, I get to use some of them boooooollets that I've been stocking up on too. For a while there I was beginning to wonder if I had wasted my money on any of that. Lock and load, here come the self-proclaimed socialists to pick everyone else's pockets, har. Yeah, come and take it. A pile of thieve can keep the doooooooggies well fed too.