Mars Rover's Unexpected Behavior Puzzles NASA

reply to post by alyosha1981

Do you have any concept of what a metaphor is - kept in simple terms so simple people can understand?... You're wasting my time! Now I'm getting annoyed! This isn't worth my energy! End of conversation!

IRM

[edit on 30/1/09 by InfaRedMan]

reply to post by RFBurns


It is breaking down picture a hard drive that ran 24 7 for 6 yrs this continually recorded video for broadcast for 6 years leave any electronics in your home running for 6 yrs and see if it makes it. As for hiding information NASA doesnt have to fake a breakdown they could simply fake video on just about any computer and you would have no clue it wasnt real. So there fore no need to fake a break down. My god does everything have to be a conspiracy?

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
reply to post by alyosha1981

 

...lol and yours are reasonable? *shakes head*

OK, let's agree to disagree. We will see what the wash-up is of all of this in about a week. If you're right, I'll apologise for my point of view. If I'm right, you will apologise - OK?

Done!

IRM

No apoligies nedded, honestly I believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion, including you no hard feelings really if your right then I'll commend your efforts and continue to not lose any sleep over this

How about this????

While that glitch can have any number of causes, such as Spirit not properly perceiving it was ready to drive, the rover's failure to record its daily work in its non-volatile computer memory is perplexing, they added.

NASA engineers believe Spirit's woes may be due to a transitory cause, such as a high-energy cosmic ray hitting the rover's electronics. On Tuesday, the rover's non-volatile memory appeared to be working fine, mission managers said.

This is what i call a convienient loss of time on NASA's part, whay didn't the memory store anything during that timeframe? or did it

As Carl Sagon would have said it

Well I say we got our "millions and millions" out of the poor thing

reply to post by SLAYER69


Oh no doubt! I'm not saying that the rovers wern't worth the money I'm just saying that something more is going on then they are letting on to.

So the thing has stopped working years after its planned lifespan.......and the puzzle is what exactly?

It's now broken DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!

reply to post by malcr


The rover's were supposed to last 90 days right? my argument is: why would NASA spend hundreds of million dollars to put these rovers on mars only to get 90 days out of them? to me it doesn't make sence. I believe NASA knew that these rovers had the capability to remain functional way past 90 days, and moreover they were sent to mars for reasons other then what the mission statment detailed IMO. Secondly the rovers were built with ground breaking technology, each one the same as the other, why has oppertunity no succomb to the same "glitches"?

I think spirit has found what it was really looking for and NASA is using the "glitch " excusse to distract the public.

I do not think the Mars Lander is really on Mars. I think its on some stage somewhere. Just look at these machines, they look like little toys. Yet, they cost hundreds of millions of dollars.

There are some websites that show some of the photos, and there are all kinds of anomalies in them.

Or if they really are on Mars, I agree with one of the other comments saying some Martian kid found a really cool toy to play with.

Originally posted by patent98310
oh noooo...It's taken on a mind of it's own!
It has learned...feelings, and does not want to send the information back demanding a pay raise and vacation time
NASA has commented that the request from the rover is still pending, due to the economy any pay raise will be very low.
in all reality it has been up there for 6 years. You can imagine what caused it to start glitching; it's on mars.

Qustion : How do the rovers survive at all in a supposedly freezing climate? How can the electronics function in such extreme cold temperatures? Wouldn't the electronics and mechanics on it freeze at such low temperatures. I have a feeling that the temp on mars is comparable to some shatty places on earth that people live in.

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
It will be a sad day when one of the rovers dies... kinda reminds me of that movie "Silent Running". *sniff* I've grown attached to those little guys!

IRM

Totally agree with you. Those two rovers are two of the most magnificent scientific achievements mankind has ever created. If you remember that their life expectancy was only supposed to be six months, the fact that they've lasted six years shows that they were built right.

Originally posted by dragonridr
reply to post by RFBurns

 

It is breaking down picture a hard drive that ran 24 7 for 6 yrs this continually recorded video for broadcast for 6 years leave any electronics in your home running for 6 yrs and see if it makes it. As for hiding information NASA doesnt have to fake a breakdown they could simply fake video on just about any computer and you would have no clue it wasnt real. So there fore no need to fake a break down. My god does everything have to be a conspiracy?

Actually...I do have a number of items that have been running for about 8 years now...a studio filled with audio gear and an on air transmitter for my radio station.

The downtime would be comparable to the rover's "sleep mode", tho alot less since it doesnt take 8 hours to do basic maitenance on the transmitter or studio gear.

I guess folks like to only read bits and pieces of what I write in my posts so they can nit pick and highlight certian parts to support their rant.

Go back and re-read ALL of what I wrote..you will find that I did say that the rover very well could be breaking down after its 6 year life span, and I do say that nothing lasts forever, and I do say that NASA could be telling the truth.

But I also say that after NASA"s well documented and very provable history of lying to the world, I do not just outright buy their excuses like some gullables do.

Oh ya some will gladly accept wild arse theories about NWO and FEMA concentration camps and government conspiracy but when it comes to NASA..oh those guys never lie, never cover up anything and are angels in the wind sprinkling truth powder on everything they say and do.

Ya....ok....whutever....be a sheeple...I dont mind...not my mind thats so gullable.




Cheers!!!!

reply to post by InfaRedMan


Ya Never A Straight Answer there IRM...typical NASA responses..."oh somethings wrong and somethings goofy but its all doing just fine..move along".

As I said above....be gullable....never suspect a thing out of an agency who has proven itself to not only lie, but outright hide data, do things in a way that cost the lives of 17 brave astronauts, and tell you that the public's interest is "not scientific" yet expect the public to be paying for their little adventures.

Do you btw help pay the bill? In fact, I pose that question for anyone who sits here and questions US taxpayer's inquery about NASA and OUR tax funds and OUR data we pay for. I quite frankly think anyone who does not pay US income tax has absolutely NO right to question us taxpayers who do pay taxes for these missions when we question NASA and what they do.

I have a right to doubt NASA, as does ANY taxpaying citizen of the USA. And I will continue to question NASA till they drop me 6 ft down into my final resting place. Is that ok? It will have to be.




Cheers!!!!

Originally posted by LucidDreamer85

Qustion : How do the rovers survive at all in a supposedly freezing climate? How can the electronics function in such extreme cold temperatures? Wouldn't the electronics and mechanics on it freeze at such low temperatures. I have a feeling that the temp on mars is comparable to some shatty places on earth that people live in.

The rovers have on board heating systems that run from the battery power. They keep the systems warm enough to prevent them from falling below their minimum operational temperature range.

The electronics btw are not off the shelf components. They are specially made electronic components designed with very wide temperature characteristics, which is why these rovers cost so much. Practically every single component, every single piece of hardware, electrical piece, wire, screw, nut, everything, is custom designed and manufactured for the Martian environment.



Cheers!!!!

Why is it going to record seeing something that doesn't want to be seen, or recording data that should not be recorded...

Sorry I had to say that....

Time for a new Rover...

Originally posted by Brainiac
Why is it going to record seeing something that doesn't want to be seen, or recording data that should not be recorded...

Sorry I had to say that....

Time for a new Rover...

It would not be a matter of data or something that "should not" be recorded, they will record that data, or take the image, and keep that data for their prosterity, their records. Us out here...well we get...the usual, rocks, rocks...some more rocks...a low angle shot of another rock...a wide angle, high resolution black and white shot of yet another rock.........oh look they took a picture of another rock! YAWN!!!!

Well they do give us some different stuff sometimes, like a nice evening horizon sunset image with rocks in the background.

And yes, they do have a new rover in the works slated to launch in 2011. The Mars Scientific Lab rover. (wow I wonder what strainious effort it took to come up with that name)

This new rover will have a really cool camera on it that will get some very very close up views of......should I say it?.....take a guess anyone......anyway, to see if they can find fossils within the......AHEMM.


Cheers!!!!

reply to post by RFBurns


Hey there RFBurns!

I agree that the plethera of photos depicting rocks on mars is a total yawner! let's just hope they decide to loosen up the ol belts and slowly releases some of the good stuff (not holding breath) I hope this new rover will provide some more entertaining views of the red planet! Hey nice new avie BTW

Originally posted by alyosha1981
reply to post by RFBurns

 

Hey there RFBurns!

I agree that the plethera of photos depicting rocks on mars is a total yawner! let's just hope they decide to loosen up the ol belts and slowly releases some of the good stuff (not holding breath) I hope this new rover will provide some more entertaining views of the red planet! Hey nice new avie BTW

Hi there alyosha! Thanks for the compliment on the avie. I might change it sooner tho because Ive got some others that are really neat!

Yes this new rover is really something else! Its huge compared to the others, carries a very sophisticated set of instruments for looking at more rocks, especially the MAHLI camera, which is the super zoom camera that is also a very high resolution camera, so we should be able to see these fossils within the rocks at impressive resolutions.

The mission was supposed to be launched this year but they ran into....(cough)...technical problems. (COUGH).

Actually I hope they take my email seriously and install the small wind generator I had suggested back in 2002 for Spirit and Opportunity, but those had already been finalized. Maybe this delay, they will put one on the new MSL rover so that it will be able to charge its batteries even when the dust accumilates on the solar pannels and can charge its systems and suplement battery power at night for the heating systems.


Cheers!!!!

[edit on 31-1-2009 by RFBurns]

Originally posted by RFBurns

we should be able to see these fossils within the rocks at impressive resolutions.

Don't you mean "they" should be able to see the fossils? LOL

The mission was supposed to be launched this year but they ran into....(cough)...technical problems. (COUGH).

Ya technical problems my (exploitive dleted)

Actually I hope they take my email seriously and install the small wind generator I had suggested back in 2002 for Spirit and Opportunity, but those had already been finalized. Maybe this delay, they will put one on the new MSL rover so that it will be able to charge its batteries even when the dust accumilates on the solar pannels and can charge its systems and suplement battery power at night for the heating systems.

Man great idea! I too hope they use this it will definatly help the rover utilize power more efficiently and help keep some of that pesky dust of the solar panels from the wind that NASA says theres none of. I hope it gets put on though!



[edit on 31-1-2009 by alyosha1981]

reply to post by alyosha1981


I have been emailing my contact at JPL and contact at the Houston Space Center for the last couple of months about it. I gave them the previous contact person's name and re-sent them the rough draft and blueprint for the wind generator. Its a really neat one I made back in 1998 and has very little back torque even when loaded. It can output up to 80 VAC in winds of 30mph and has an 8 inch tip to tip propeller.

The one I proposed this time has a turbine like propeller in a cone configuration, the wind can be compressed through the cone before it hits the turbine and spin it even faster for more juice from the generator. Works on the same principles of a jet engine except there is no burning of fuel. The larger end of the cone faces the wind, wind enters the cone, is compressed by the cone's reducing size for the first 5 inches, then that compressed air hits the turbine blade at an increased air pressure and spins the turbine to drive the generator with more torque ability.

I made a prototype of it and tested it about a month ago. Out here in Wyoming we got plenty of wind to test with.

Worked really well. It wont add very much weight to the rover, about 3 pounds at most, that doesnt include the weight of the mast they would put it on, and of course the mast would be retractable so it can be folded down for its journey to Mars and be unfolded or raised and locked into place.

Who knows what they have in mind. I have not heard form them. Im keepng my fingers crossed tho. I really think they should use a wind generator considering all the previous problems with the solar pannels and the dust.



Cheers!!!!