Economy broken to bring about military enlistment.

I was talking to a former member of the House of Representatives 10 years removed. (we sometimes play in the same poker game) He stated that the economy was brought to its knees to increase enlistment in the military for a planned WW. That things will get so bad that several million will be forced to join just to survive. At this time many of those troops will be used on US soil to keep order here at home. They expect things to get really bad in the summer (09) when millions more lose their homes. Crime becomes much worse with people just trying to feed their families. This new war will be against Russia,Iran and Venezuela. He said the US is so advanced militarily that shooting down anything Russia has will be easily down (star wars). That everything has been delayed due to a current lack of troops needed

The US (nwo guys) plans to control all the oil/energy in the world. Taking Iran down will cut them out of their percentage of the Caspian profits. How this will come about will most likely be a false flag op. with a Baltic states ally. (Georgia maybe?) Apparently when Russia defended the peace keepers in Georgia against the Georgian army this created a serious riff in relations and prevented the Caspian sea pipeline from going through. He also stated that the nuke missing from Barksdale AFB is a really big deal.

His words not mine... I'm sure he still has friends in Washington but decide for yourself.

I don't know about the WW aspect of it, but the thought crossed my mind the other day that America's most stable employment opportunity, and likely last employees to ever be handed IOUs is in fact, the military.

So it doesn't sound impossible.

[edit on 1/28/2009 by eNumbra]

I think if the Military really needed more enlistees then they would do away with the Re-enlistment BS for the former enlisted to get back in if they wanted to. It takes about a year for anyone out of IRR to get the aproval to re-enlist even when they got out Honorably with rank. I'm sure the recruiters would love that too. Also if they wanted new recruits they would waive most of the "older" folks from joining, i.e. the 30 and mid 40 year olds who never served before.

Plus wouldn't a letter sent to the former soldier or airman or Marine ASKING if they would consider to reenlist be worth it if they really need folks?

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Baltic means Lithiuania estonia ETC, you mean Balakan, Crimea and kaukasus ? dont you. Georgia is in Kaukasus region of the world.

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. . a former member of the House of Representatives 10 years removed . . stated that the economy was brought to its knees to increase enlistment in the military for a planned WW. Things will get so bad that several million will be forced to join just to survive. At this time many of those troops will be used on US soil to keep order here at home. They expect things to get really bad in the summer (09) when millions more lose their homes. Crime becomes much worse with people just trying to feed their families.

The potentials for this bad case scenario are out there. I hold out hope that the recent election gives us a second chance to avoid that kind of domestic disaster which could surely be as bad as the 1861-1865 Civil War was in its time.

The only place in the Federal budget that can be cut enough to make it meaningful is the DoD budget. I don’t know this year’s budget. Last year was $545 b. plus extras for Iraq and Afghan. The VA budget was $34 b. and the critics say it needs to be $54 b. Because Social Security and Medicare are both running in the black - maybe not for long but are now - and always have, I allot 80% of the National Debt to DoD spending. About $275 b. The real cost of WAR is about $850 b. per year. And don’t forget the annual supplementals for Iraq and Afghan. Say around $1 t. a year. For WAR. And not a decent enemy to fight!

I suggest we begin to scale back on this WAR budget to get it down to HALF by 2012. We can begin by halting work on the two supercarriers being built. We can stop building more nuclear submarines. We can cut the replacement rate of airplanes in half by extending the time out 10 more years.

This new war will be against Russia, Iran and Venezuela. He said the US is so advanced militarily that shooting down anything Russia has will be easily down (star wars). That everything has been delayed due to a current lack of troops needed . .

I agree that the RF is about as much a threat to world peace as say, Germany or Singapore. The Russians want to play a role in the councils of the world. But the dam place is TOO far north! Half of its 6 million square miles is frozen Siberian tundra. A fast train ride across Siberia takes 6 days! Moscow - Beijing via Mongolia: leaves Moscow for Beijing every Tuesday. The 7,621 km (4,735 mile) journey takes 6 days. Moscow - Vladivostok: leaves Moscow on its 7-day journey to Vladivostok . . almost the longest train ride of them all, 9,258 km or 6,152 miles. www.convertunits.com...

The closest trip in America would be NYC to LA. 2809 miles. 2 days drive time. (A hard drive, too. I’d allow 3 days). Or better yet, about 5 hours non-stop via American Airlines. wiki.answers.com...

The US (nwo guys) plans to control all the oil/energy in the world. Taking Iran down will cut them out of their percentage of the Caspian profits. How this will come about will most likely be a false flag op. with a Baltic states ally.

While it is a sure bet that none of the Baltics, Lithuania, Estonia or Latvia, share any great affection for Russians, none of those states are able to breathe deeply without asking the Great Bear for room to exhale! I’d bet there are enough old retired KGB agents living in those countries to keep any radicalism under close watch if not control. Those countries can only look West if they continue to be of greater value to the RF. One glance west to 2 glances east.

(Georgia maybe?) Apparently when Russia defended the peace keepers in Georgia against the Georgian army this created a serious riff in relations and prevented the Caspian sea pipeline from going through.

Don’t overlook that Georgia was a province of the Tsar’s Empire for 200 years. It is not as if the Ruskie’s jut took it yesterday. The US inspired the Georgian faux pas, but it tuned out like most of what Bush43 touched, to be a pile of dung! We’ll have to back off of any bi-lateral ambitions for the US and Georgia.

He also stated that the nuke missing from Barksdale AFB is a really big deal. His words not mine. I'm sure he still has friends in Washington but decide for yourself.

Do you think he was hinting the US might use that “missing” nuke to either blow up say, New Orleans 9th Ward and blame it on the Russians, or smuggle it into St. Petersburg and maybe blow up the Winter Palace blaming it on who? al Qaeda? That sounds like a Bush and Cheney concoction. They missed their last chance on January 20 and now will pass into the trash bin of history.

I would steal from a supermarket farrrrr before I'd even THINK about joining the military, and I'm pretty sure most people feel the same way. These idiots didn't think their plan through very well.

Given that Russia seems to be crashing also, wouldn't surprise me if they used each other to pump up their respective government spending and power by running a neo cold war operation, of course they don't want to kill loads of people but if they happen to die fighting proxy wars, most of the citizens will go along with it so long as they don't have to suffer massive loss of lives of civilians.

Russian stability threatened by anger over economy - Telegraph

Russia defence spending soars - Telegraph

Plus it takes people's minds off the government stealing from their citizens and nationalizing business will be seen as needed to fight the battle otherwise the Russians might overtake us, etc.

Russian military a 'paper tiger' despite symbolic comeback, says IISS - Times Online

Russia 'stops missile deployment in Europe because of Obama' - Times Online

Millions of Chinese set to lose jobs as New Year celebrations end - Telegraph

3 Russian warships visit Cold War ally Cuba - International Herald Tribune

Bailout This!

Global Military Bloc: NATO's Drive Into Asia - BlackListed News

Air Force Spending $1B On Surveillance Planes - BlackListed News

Obama's Vietnam by Justin Raimondo

Obama administration warns public to expect rise in US casualties | World news | guardian.co.uk


Russia: Journalist and Human Rights Lawyer Slain in Double Murder - Boing Boing

ABC News: Russia lashes out at US national strategy

The Associated Press: US, Russia trade diplomatic expulsions

Congressional Report Says Saddam's Aides Acknowledge Using Oil to Reward Russians - from TBO.com

Report: Sharon to Tell Putin of Israeli Objections to Russian Military Sales to Palestinians - from TBO.com

Two U.S. Senators Held at Russian Airport for Several Hours, Released - from TBO.com

Russia's Isomer Bomb, Funded by Your Taxes | Danger Room from Wired.com

Power supergrid plan to protect Europe from Russian threat to choke off energy - Times Online

RIA Novosti - Russia - Russia vying with U.S. in third world arms market

Psychedelic drug, '___'-25, likely to be legalized in Russian medicine - PRAVDA.Ru

RIA Novosti - Russia - Russia must double uranium output by 2020 - TVEL

Former Soviet Union republics owe $2 trillion to Russia - PRAVDA.Ru

People's Daily Online -- China, Russia issue joint statement on new world order

Russia, China May Cooperate in Lunar Probe

Russian Media Warn of New Cold War

Slashdot | Evidence of Russian Cyberwarfare Against Georgia

Russian cows get new feed: marijuana - Peculiar Postings - MSNBC.com

Rahm Emanuel heads North American Mossad + PROMIS + laundered profits to Israel/Russian : NOLA Indymedia

BBC NEWS | Americas | Russia warns of new Iron Curtain

Russian police: 'Our hackers are the best' | CNET News.com

Pentagon says Russia aided Iraq during US-led invasion

Slashdot | Anti-Government Webmaster Shot Dead By Russian Police

Chinese, Russian Troops Join War Games - Yahoo! News

Venezuela to build nuclear technology with Russia - Yahoo! News

As if Things Weren't Bad Enough, Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S. - WSJ.com

Iran says Russia and China will not back sanctions

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I would steal from a supermarket farrrrr before I'd even THINK about joining the military, and I'm pretty sure most people feel the same way. These idiots didn't think their plan through very well.

Actually it is you, that hasn't thought your plan out very well.

How stocked full of food do you think those shelves in the grocery store are going to be when half of them are closed down and the other half can't get goods on a regular basis, if at all?

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I don't know about the WW aspect of it, but the thought crossed my mind the other day that America's most stable employment opportunity, and likely last employees to ever be handed IOUs is in fact, the military. So it doesn't sound impossible.

Actually, the AFUS - Armed Forces of the United States - has reduced its size many times in the past. So often it has a name. RIF. Reduction in Force.

I have 5 years active duty in the AF, 3 years in the AF Reserve and 2 years in the Army National Guard. Although I am a peace-nik, anti-war, and etc., I am not anti military as relates to the guys on the bottom of the pole. As Alfred Lord Tennyson said about those brave men at Sevastopol, “Our’s is not to reason why, our’s is but to do or die.” Unfortunately that happens in war. But no one ever enlists thinking it will happen to him.

A story. The closest I ever came to getting killed was at Kimpo AB in South Korea. The famous 4th Fighter was on one side of the runway and my unit, the not so famous 67th Tactical Recon Wing, was on the other side. I was a radio and radar repairman in a squadron that flew 2 daily weather missions. In the Quonset hut next to my communications hut, was an A&E - aircraft and engine - office.

Australians shared the 4th Fighter side. One of their planes had a problem that required raising and lowering the landing gear. To accomplish that, a 55 gal drum was placed under each wing. Although all pilots are supposed to discharge any unspent rounds from their guns before landing, this time the pilot did not. A safety device renders the guns inoperable when the wheels are down.

Unfortunately, when the wheels came up, 4 rounds of 20 mm ammo was discharged! One round passed through the hut next door and struck a man. He was killed instantly. We never even heard the guns fire. The guy was standing there, talking, then a loud noise as the round passed through the wall, and he fell to the floor dead. Eerie.

Wrong place, wrong time.

[edit on 1/28/2009 by donwhite]

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I would steal from a supermarket farrrrr before I'd even THINK about joining the military, and I'm pretty sure most people feel the same way. These idiots didn't think their plan through very well.

I disagree. The military service is a very honorable institution and has a long tradition of service to our country. It is true the military is better suited for single men and women. For example, tours of duty overseas for singles are usually 2 years, for marrieds, 3 years if their family accompanies them.

You get to see places very few other people can. You have friends and companions that will last a lifetime. Camaraderie. And you learn to take orders and to do things you don’t like or want to do.

I choose the AF because I knew how to walk and I had no desire to sleep on the ground. I wanted to learn something. The military has the BEST tech schools in the world! You could do far worse than trying a 4 year tour in the AF or Navy.

[edit on 1/28/2009 by donwhite]

I took it that the missing nuke is what will be used for the false flag. Either here in the US or abroad (Georgia, Ukraine or Baltic). That it was maybe stolen in order to hold the Democrat controlled Congress at bay from stopping all the military spending. I would think that if they were eager to start a war that Israel would say, here's a nuke blow it up somewhere.

There was also news today about all the Bush Govt employees taking illegal big dollar gifts from the oil industry. Corruption was out of control the last 8 years.

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I think the military is honorable too. However, it's honor is based on the higher ups, from talking to soldiers, most decisions they make are not their own. As for me, I would sooner be a deserter than join the military for a war I don't believe in.

i don't buy it

there's to much catastrophe,,,,just to get some soldiers????

if true,,, they cut off their nose to spite their face so to speak

wouldn't a draft have been easier???

and how many were hurt,,,that have no chance of serving???

the 18-30 crowd,,,and then have those are uneligible through either health reasons or background

so ruin a country for some troops???

maybe we know why your buddy wasn't re-elected

I'm not saying it's not true, but why would he tell someone else such a plan of world domination?
I'm totally open to things, that's why I'm here.. But if things like NWO and stuff existed, wouldn't they do a better job keeping it covered up?
I don't know. I'm just here for answers too