Congress Seeks To Authorize & Legalize FEMA Camp Facilities

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I'm with you. Grow your own food and bandage your own wounds. Americans did it before and we can do it again! My grandparents raised me and it won't be the first veggie garden I'v helped plant. Lord, this is scary! But maybe we need to have the you know what scared out of us.
Maybe then we will beging to open our eyes and see it is not the other countries we need to keep an eye on it is our own! What happened to America?

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Operation Angel Thunder - international drill on us soil
Operation Angel Thunder - international drill on us soil

Some practice runs are classified by DoD; few details are being released 15 Nov 2008 Personnel from around the globe will converge at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base from Dec. 1 to Dec. 12 for the largest rescue exercise of its kind. The effort, dubbed Angel Thunder 08, will involve the U.S. Army and Air Force, troops from Germany, Chile, Colombia and observers from Canada, Mexico, Brazil and Pakistan. Several non-military U.S. agencies such as the State and Justice departments, the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency and the National Reconnaissance Office, also will take part in the drills, which aim to smooth interaction between military branches, allied nations and civilian agencies.
www.legitgov.org... And discussed here on ats www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com... Singapore military aiming for Idaho air space

FBI & Homeland Security behind martial law exercises in Indianapolis www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.msnbc.msn.com... Since then, the government bought out more than 9,000 homeowners, turning much of the land into parks and undeveloped areas that can be allowed to flood with less risk. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has moved or flood-proofed about 30,000 properties. And discussed here www.abovetopsecret.com...

Bush pushes biometrics for national security discussed here www.abovetopsecret.com... Agencies are required by the directive to make available for sharing with other agencies... all biometric and associated biographical information for individuals about whom authorities have an "articulable and reasonable suspicion that they pose a threat to national security."

Executive Branch 'Runs' Government From Outside D.C. as Mock Crises Mount www.abovetopsecret.com...

there are some many threads that indicate emergence upon us it's not funny. and i don't like that word "emergence"

In philosophy, systems theory and science, emergence is the way complex systems and patterns arise out of a multiplicity of relatively simple interactions. Emergence is central to the theories of integrative levels and of complex systems.

en.wikipedia.org...

it certainly should be the word for today!

Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
The EVIDENCE, would be that they would be a piss poor and wasteful way to provide relief. Like I said, for the same money you could have tents trucked in to house a lot more people. You can't KNOW where an emergency is going to be, so you'd need a lot of fricken' camps.

Well, supposedly, according to this, FEMA was planning on creating temporary tent cities for disaster use. I don't know what became of that plan. I started to wonder if that's what this bill is talking about, until I noticed that it's specifying they be on "military installations." That ruins my theory right there. Here's a piece of the article:

FEMA officials have told these firms they already have tents and trailers ordered. The tents and trailers would provide shelter for displaced populations.

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Originally posted by wintermarches

Originally posted by questioningall

There are the trains - a pic

FEMA ordered 107,200 'AutoMax' prison cars from Gunderson Steel modified from original FEMA design to carry automobiles. They apparently wanted people to become accustomed to seeing these railcars so they would just think they were hauling autos.

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All the above is from link: www.libertyforlife.com...

Thanks for the information, but I've seen that picture and read that page. I am not sure I believe it based on that, though I suspect there may be something to it. Until I find more reliable information, I have to stay skeptical on the boxcars. I'm not saying that site doesn't have any reliable info (I've found great stuff on there, if it's indeed authentic), but I personally need something more to prove it to myself. Something official would help, not to echo the hardcore naysayers on here. I do try to hear a lot of it from the horse's mouth, though, and connect the dots from there, if possible.

Now, the camps - I have enough on that and have little question left that they are potentially sinister.

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You are right, that is just a stock photo I inserted above...right?

Ok, well how bout this one, which someone took and posted - he has a youtube vid up too, but I am not posting it, due to the fact it was taken at night, and you can not really see the rail cars.

but here is the link:www.halturnershow.blogspot.com...

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Why do you think we have UN troops in the U.S., and why is there an agreement with the UN? Also it is stated in some paperwork, that the UN would handle situations here in the U.S. I will try and find that and post it.

link to agreement with Canada for use of each others troops:

www.globalresearch.ca...

Below from link:

Canada and the U.S. have signed an agreement that paves the way for the militaries from either nation to send troops across each other's borders during an emergency, but some are questioning why the Harper government has kept silent on the deal.


Neither the Canadian government nor the Canadian Forces announced the new agreement, which was signed Feb. 14 in Texas.



The U.S. military's Northern Command, however, publicized the agreement with a statement outlining how its top officer, Gen. Gene Renuart, and Canadian Lt.-Gen. Marc Dumais, head of Canada Command, signed the plan, which allows the military from one nation to support the armed forces of the other nation during a civil emergency.

Ok, I've been going along with the fear and detention camp suspicions so far on this thread, but now I read some things about the author of the bill, Rep. Alcee Hastings, that have me giving him the benefit of a doubt.

First, there is this bit from AmericaWeakly.com (never heard of it):

Rep. Hastings Said The "Expansion Of Intelligence Gathering Powers" Raised "Serious Questions." Rep. Hastings: "The dramatic expansion of intelligence gathering powers facilitated by the passage of the Patriot Act and the other policies of the Justice Department, under the Director of U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft, have raised serious questions about government infringement of the right to privacy." (Rep. Hastings' Website, alceehastings.house.gov..., Accessed 9/5/06)

This seems promising. So I went to his website. It turns out he's continually calling for aid for hurricane victims. In Florida, where they have hurricanes, of course.

April 6, 2007
"U.S. Representative Alcee L. Hastings Calls for Extension of FEMA Emergency Housing Assistance for Hurricane Wilma Victims"

August 22, 2007
"U.S. Representatives Hastings and Mahoney probe FEMA over temporary housing solutions"

February 28, 2008
"U.S. Representative Alcee L. Hastings’ Statement on Resignation of Scott Morris, Director of FEMA’s Florida Long-Term Recovery Office"

June 27, 2008
"U.S. Representatives Alcee L. Hastings and Tim Mahoney Express Concern over FEMA’s 2008 Disaster Housing Plan"

August 21, 2008
"U.S. Representative Alcee L. Hastings Affirms Tropical Storm Fay Damage Necessitates Federal Disaster Aid"

(I broke format slightly because it would've been really messy with 5 consecutive external quotes for just topic titles from the site. Super-long blue links seemed hard on the eyes, too.)

From what I read, he seems to keep bringing up concerns over the formaldehyde in the FEMA trailers, in addition to asking for more help with housing for hurricane victims.

Maybe Rep. Hastings is trying to do something good here. I wonder if it's possible we've become so skeptical after the Bush administration, that it's hard for some of us (myself included) to step back and be a little more objective at times. I think the debunkers on here can have problems with objectivity, too, of course. And I got so drawn into trying to prove to them the conspiracies did have merit, that it took me a while to to consider getting more background information on this bill.

In any case, even if the NWO still comes, maybe this particular bill isn't necessarily part of it. I say we, on both sides of this issue, should continue to gather information before we come to any definite conclusions about this. I can see both sides, myself, though I generally would rather err on the side of skepticism.

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For a slightly more concise and thorough article, check this out. It's got the full bill as well as an interesting analysis.

Cheers.

Originally posted by questioningall
You are right, that is just a stock photo I inserted above...right?

Ok, well how bout this one, which someone took and posted - he has a youtube vid up too, but I am not posting it, due to the fact it was taken at night, and you can not really see the rail cars.

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That was nice of you to post another photo. I mean, I saw the railcars fine in the photo, and in your new photo. I think what I'm unsure of is more the conclusion that they are for bringing people to the camps. It's just something that in time I may have to figure out via other means besides photos. That is, unless there are some otherwise-compelling photos that appear. I wasn't trying to push you for more evidence, but I'm open to any good stuff you have to show me.

Like following company links from one to another and their subsidiaries, what kind of business are they in, how much money did they get from the govt in contracts when and for what, how that fits in with framework being set up by Presidents and Congress (including Continuity of Government plans), etc.. I think you or someone already brought up some of the budget information. Overall, though, I don't think the trains are of huge importance (besides the fact that it would be good to know what not to get on), just because if they want to get us there they may use several ways to do it. I did read the part about most of the camps being accessible by plane or train or only one of the two.

Ideally, I'd like to get my research ducks more in a row, but it'd take a substantial effort which I'm not prepared to do at the moment. It is still taking me too long to produce evidence for statements I make on here, and I don't like that. :/

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Originally posted by misterfreeman
For a slightly more concise and thorough article, check this out. It's got the full bill as well as an interesting analysis.

Cheers.

Thank goodness! Good article, sums up a lot of what's been dug up to put into this thread.

Um, did anyone notice the 6 centers correspond to 6 regions? (Back to the rollercoaster of suspicion..........) That reminds me of the stuff I've read that the United States would be split up into regions, as part of either the NAU or the NWO (I forget which!). So, yeah, I don't think they're just gonna up and split the country into regions out of thin air, but in time of emergency this is exactly what could happen. And could emergency extend into permanency? .... I need to find where I read about the regions....

How did Rep. Hastings go from hurricane aid to this? And why isn't this on his website home page under Lesgislation? He has a post from after the date this was introduced. Maybe he hasn't updated the site yet....

Well, as usual when I go back and forth, I'm sticking to my more paranoid side. It makes too much sense!

Originally posted by wintermarches

Originally posted by misterfreeman
For a slightly more concise and thorough article, check this out. It's got the full bill as well as an interesting analysis.

Cheers.

Thank goodness! Good article, sums up a lot of what's been dug up to put into this thread.

Um, did anyone notice the 6 centers correspond to 6 regions? (Back to the rollercoaster of suspicion..........) That reminds me of the stuff I've read that the United States would be split up into regions, as part of either the NAU or the NWO (I forget which!). So, yeah, I don't think they're just gonna up and split the country into regions out of thin air, but in time of emergency this is exactly what could happen. And could emergency extend into permanency? .... I need to find where I read about the regions....

How did Rep. Hastings go from hurricane aid to this? And why isn't this on his website home page under Lesgislation? He has a post from after the date this was introduced. Maybe he hasn't updated the site yet....

Well, as usual when I go back and forth, I'm sticking to my more paranoid side.

It makes too much sense!

I agree... Superficially it seems like it makes so much sense -- but that's the absurdity of it.

Originally posted by misterfreeman

Originally posted by wintermarches
It makes too much sense!

I agree... Superficially it seems like it makes so much sense -- but that's the absurdity of it.

I meant it as in, "the dots are connecting too neatly to ignore the conspiracy theory here," but your interpretation of it making too much sense on the surface to not be suspicious seems to apply, as well.

Originally posted by Alpha_Magnum
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Our military is off in the world guarding oil wells and mines.

My point exactly so the government wouldn't be using them to enslave an entire population.

The USA is so divided that people who are becoming more and more socialistic (some think this is a Democracy) will simply throw each other to the wolves.

Yeah, I don't see that happening.
Neighbors take care of each other. At least where I live.
And where my parents live.
And where my sisters live.
And where my brothers live.
And where my other relatives live.
And where my friends live.
Well you get the idea.

If needed the Mexican Army and other NATO armies will be brought in to add that military touch.

And why would the mexican miltary do something like this?
Even if SOMEHOW, they could be convinced this was a good idea (DOUBTFUL), what is the size of the mexican military?
Currently, Mexico's armed forces number some 620,400, including the reserves. So if mexico emptied their ENTIRE country of military personnel, they could muster 620,400 personnel versus 320,000,000 US residents. They would be outnumbered approx. 516 to 1. They would be demolished.

Did you stop to realize that if the police come to your house for any reason that they now always ask, "Do you have any weapons?" Think about the WHY.

Because cops get shot and they don't want to.
Police ask if you have weapons because they can easily be shot during a domestic dispute or other call.
When they pull over a speeder, they also ask you to keep you hands on your steering wheel. Do you think it's because they want to see your new manicure? No, they don't want to die, pulling over someone.

People who lost their jobs, lost their homes who are starving in the streets will simply go to any place that remotely offers food and shelter. Desperate people are ready made slaves they just need that little push like getting evicted or not being able to find a new job. The social engineering needed to beg the welfare state for help is already in motion.

(4) to meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security.

haha...thats the kicker right there.

Originally posted by questioningall
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Why do you think we have UN troops in the U.S., and why is there an agreement with the UN? Also it is stated in some paperwork, that the UN would handle situations here in the U.S. I will try and find that and post it.

OK are you saying that the entire UN including all member countries and all the peacekeeper troops are now in on the conspiracy to put Americans into FEMA camps?

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I don't see why you are having trouble with this. The USA is already divided and a divided house will fall. I mean honestly this post I'm replying to is extremely optimistic on your part. Americans are not going to resist except for the few and they will be "extincted" and the minister of propaganda will simply say, "The TERRORIST fired on police and they had no choice but to PROTECT themselves and the PUBLIC.

Go on and follow the Yellow Brick Road if you like but the people are sheep even you. If they did come for your neighbor in the night you would pull the covers over your head and slip deeper in denial.

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He is simply letting you know what assets can be brought to bear. It's odd that you don't realize more than 7 MILLION Americans starved to death STARVED TO DEATH during the Great Depression. With no money, work, food or shelter you take your chances in the camps. It's not like you can play wilderness survival family while squatting on someone else's property and hunting with out a license out of season. What wood would you burn with all of the other American have not losers running around the woods?
Dude we are in a DEPRESSION! We had one already and in this case there will be NO CALIFORNIA to run to!







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This is definitely startling. How long does it normally take for the committee to research the bill and deliberate on it?

Second, anyone have any idea what will be the disaster that allows them to use these facilities? Will they just wait for a disaster to happen normally (they're fairly common, after all) or will it be engineered?

Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by Alpha_Magnum
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Our military is off in the world guarding oil wells and mines.

My point exactly so the government wouldn't be using them to enslave an entire population.

I lost track of which of you on this thread keeps implying/claiming there are no troops with which to subdue Americans. Surely you know about NorthCom. The government brought 4,700 soldiers back from Iraq already for dedicated homeland duty last year. 20,000 soon is the goal.


Originally posted by jfj123" target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">Washington Post article

The U.S. military expects to have 20,000 uniformed troops inside the United States by 2011 trained to help state and local officials respond to a nuclear terrorist attack or other domestic catastrophe, according to Pentagon officials.

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