Why no Sonic Boom from UFO's?

I was just thinking about this so decided to post it. Sorry if it's come up before but i havnt seen anything on it.
Why is it that we never hear of sonic booms when UFO's take off at high rates of speed? Is it possibly because they jump through a worm hole or something instead of actually traveling in a direct line from point a to be like we do in aircraft?

What are you thoughts?

Originally posted by ls1cameric
I was just thinking about this so decided to post it. Sorry if it's come up before but i havnt seen anything on it.
Why is it that we never hear of sonic booms when UFO's take off at high rates of speed? Is it possibly because they jump through a worm hole or something instead of actually traveling in a direct line from point a to be like we do in aircraft?

What are you thoughts?

Very good question!

But you have probably partially answered your question.

They are probably only paritaly in this dimension, or maybe if you go from 0 to a certain fast speed there is no sonic boom.

I am sure it has something to do with the gravitational pull, unlike the aircraft it is slow at first when it takes off in speed and once the burners go on to achieve mach speeds that's when we hear the sonic boom. The UFO's don't use Jet Fuel like us, its all gravity hence they disappear in a shine of light. It is very fascinating on how dumbed down our technology is and our way of thinking about it

It is theorized that UFOs distort the gravity around the craft, so they are effectively flying in a sort of vacuum. So that would mean the pressure waves that are compressed to create the sonic boom are absent in the case of a UFO.

In a conventional aircraft the waves are forced together, or compressed, because they cannot "get out of the way" of each other, eventually merging into a single shock wave at the speed of sound.

To answer that question, we must know exactly how they operate the propulsion in our atmosphere, to do that we would need to actually get our hands on one.
Anyone here done that?

Either way this is a good question, Im sure someone will have a great answer to it.

The type of propulsion the craft is using may have something to do with it? Just a guess. Proberly wrong.

Originally posted by Fastwalker81
It is theorized that UFOs distort the gravity around the craft, so they are effectively flying in a sort of vacuum. So that would mean the pressure waves that are compressed to create the sonic boom are absent in the case of a UFO.

If this were the case there still have to be some sort of "edge" to the vacuum. Even if the transition were gradual, the interface between the "bubble" and the air would produce shock waves when traveling faster than the speed of sound. Air would get pushed out of the way of the approaching vacuum.

[edit on 1/27/2009 by Phage]

Well we're not actually talking UFO here are we? What we mean is an alien manned craft.

I don't think all those weird flashing lights that we have taken for actual alien craft for years now, are actually alien craft. It seems implausible to think that they utilise a machine to 'fly' here just as we learnt to do a century ago. If they can traverse vast distances, and I mean dozens of light years then the technology they use cannot be of the 'get in, sit down, turn the ignition and point it at the destination' type of technology.

They must have mastered folding space or a similar means which is beyond our comprehension. Now that is assuming they have ever been to this planet.

Whatever these things are, as strange and bewildering as some of the cases maybe, I really don't believe UFO's are alien manned craft. There is NOT ONE shred of evidence to say otherwise - nothing at all. Doesn't mean I'm right of course - I just think that the physics of traversing light years within our life span, let alone for a day trip out to scare Earth farmers is incomprehensible to us and cannot rely on the use of a flying, manually steered 'vehicle'.

My two penneth anyway.

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reply to post by vonspurter
Good points, but conversely, there isn't a shred of evidence that all the lights we continue to see, are man made either. They can only be one of two things.

As I've stated numerous times, I believe the triangles are ours, but what about the saucer shaped craft? What about the enormous red glowing ball of light I saw out of my kitchen window, much less than a mile away? Damn, I wish I had grabbed my camera.

Sure would like it if the government would take this phenomenon seriously, they wouldn't even have to admit they have been lying to us for decades, if they have indeed, been lying. Think of how the technology we have now could help all of mankind, instead of just making a certain portion of the population rich beyond comprehension.

Let's assume they have an anti-gravity (AG) drive. As I read it, the process involves directing the AG 'beam' in whatever direction you want to go and the ship 'falls' towards/into the gravity well. If they are able to do that, why is the ship the only thing to 'fall'? Why don't things external to the ship fall too? If a ship had traversed intergalactic space by projecting the gravity well ahead of it, why isn't the ship coated with inter-galactic debris? It should be hidden under a thick layer of dust and debris which is subject to the same gravitational influence. This connundrum also applies to ships on or near the Earth's surface. Why do they not gavitationally disturb their surroundings? As with the theoretical sonic shock wave, the gravity well must have a boundary within which everything is subject to the laws of physics. I guess if you really believe a practical AG drive exists, it's easy the invent reasons why the inconvenient things don't happen.

WG3

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Phage, I believe your response to 'FastWalker' missed a point.

FastWalker used the term 'vacuum', which was unfortunate.

Thinking 'outside the box' here --- from what I've (barely) been able to glean, and 'understand' regarding this potential technology re: ET craft and their propulsion methods....is best described as something that defies what we consider as 'common' knowledge.

Most intelligent people understand the concept of an object that moves through air, when it becomes 'supersonic', will leave what is known as a 'sonic boom' in its wake.

However, in order to understand the ET craft, one must break away from common perceptions. It isn't always necessary to travel from 'Point A to Point B' in a linear fashion.

Take a sheet of paper, and mark 'Point A' and then mark 'Point B' somewhere differently....doesn't matter how far away it is. NOW, fold the paper so that both points touch each other. Get it?

OK....I used, in the last example, a two-dimensional example that we folded into three dimensions, in order to make a point.

Guess what? IF you could stand OUTSIDE of our world, and see it as a flat sheet of paper....could you envision that you might be able to 'fold' it in a way that would result in the same effect???

THIS is the concept....hard to wrap our brains around, I know. I don't understand it....have grappled with it for years.

Physicists are studying the possiblity of not just the three dimensions that we can conceive, but as many as eleven!

This concept came about because of the odd nature of gravity....one of the 'four forces', but gravity is strangely 'weak', compared to the other three.

The answer as to WHY gravity is comparitively weak is that it 'possibly' is only being experienced, by us, as it propagates through all of the other dimensions, that we cannot perceive, but mathematics are trying to be used in order to understand.

Circling back to the point: An object that moves through the atmosphere WILL make noise, including, as expected, if it exceeds Mach....a 'sonic boom'.

However....IF a sufficiently advanced technology can travel in a way that we do not yet understand....THEN there would be NO 'sonic boom', of course.

I realize this is difficult to understand, just hope it helps.

Good response Weedwhacker!

Theres no right or wrong answer to the question I posted as I'm very aware we dont yet fully understand ET technology but this gives me more ideas to think about.
I agree with your thought about the space jumping theory and have for years as I got the idea from a college professor of mine who is a retired NASA scientist/ airforce pilot. Somehow or another we got onto this topic one day after class and he went into explaining some things he knew about ET technology from first hand experience and expressed that they do have the ablity to leap from one place to another. He wouldnt ever go into a lot of detail though for obvious reasons and we just left it at the little bit that he told us about it.

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'Yup'!!!

Seems you're tapped in to a person who knows....don't leave that, cultivate it.

There is a point where we must realize that too much information, in the hands of children, will result in catastrophe.

Getting it?

Thanks for interesting question OP, there was a short thread about this on ATS;

Why don't UFOs produce a sonic boom
Physics of UFO travel
Thoughts on Exotic propulsion systems

And the other 2 I think relevant.

I won't bother with my own ideas on this concept, from knowledge of other cases I have noticed;

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Many of these spacecraft appear to glow very brightly, often times the brightness or colour of the glow precedes a maneuver. So I would think this is evidence of an effect of the propulsion system.

Bethune 1951 Encounter

In this case the crew and passengers of Flight 124 were intercepted by a 300ft flying disk over the Atlantic. At first the disk was observed near the surface, when it ascended to them witness Lt.Kingdon;

"I saw that it suddenly started ascending through the cloud layer and it then became quite bright"

Then Lt.Bethune;

"At this time its angle changed and the color changed"

The pilots drawing at that site also states the colour changed from yellow orange to white and bright in conjunction with a maneuver.
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JAL 1628 UFO

In this encounter of 1986 a pair of box like craft intercepted a 747 over Alaska, Captain Kerauchi described these craft as emmiting light in conjunction with maneuver - at one point feeling radiated heat upon his skin.

There are many more examples of radiated light changes out there btw.
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Another witnessed "remnant" of these vehicles is sometimes a smoke ring or some other vapour remnant, the Heflin Photos of 1965 show a disk;

Photo 4 shows a vapour ring artifact

And also see the Chicago O'Hare Disk sighting of 2006 Where a witness (no names so not as good but well known i suppose) described the disk punching a hole through the cloud layer.


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reply to post by weedwhacker

I have no good answer to the OP. It's a very good question and illustrates perfectly what a conundrum UFOs pose on so many levels. If there was an answer it would be an outcome of knowing the propulsion mechanics of whatever moves an unidentified flying object. As they are 'unidentified' the question is fairly broad. As most would agree the question must necessarily remain inconclusive.

I do, however look forward (mischievously) to a reply to your 'walk through' by Phage. Intellectually, he's armed to the teeth and clearly knowledgeable. I'm sure he'll appreciate the simple tone of your post

I think weedwhacker is probably the closest to the truth. We cant think in terms of our current technology because we can be pretty sure that those crafts dont go from A to B in a linear fashion. The distances in space are far too great for that. Maybe they have some kind of different propulsion system to go slow enough to move in our atmosphere, but its not the same used for space travel in my opinion.

There are more dimensions out there, and when we discover them and see how they work, we will take a giant leap forward as a species. Unfortunately I think this kind of technology will be kept from the public for as long as possible since it can be used as secret weapons we can kill eachother with in new ways.


[edit on 27-1-2009 by Copernicus]

Copernicus....yes, exactly.

If anyone cares to read back, you will see that I have posted this concept....the analogy I used was, tantamount to giving loaded guns to Kindergartners. (or, Kindergardners, if you use the American spelling)

OK....doesn't matter.....English has a German base, after all....

Back to the subject. I think that great posts have helped to add to this discussion....in fact, they added more than I could ever have hoped!!!

So, to continue....linear thinking stifles the imagination, when it comes to the possiblity of FTL travel....because the idea that such great distances are 'impossible' to navigate.

Well, of course....'FTL' is not possible, since Einstein told us via his exquisite equation E=MC2.

'Energy' = Mass times the speed of light, squared. THAT is what E=MC2 means.

It was an incredible revelation, considering that it happened in the very early 20th Century.

So, within our environment, the abilities, and the lack of capabilites, of not only what we see, but what we don't know....are incredibly important.

Originally posted by atsbeliever
To answer that question, we must know exactly how they operate the propulsion in our atmosphere, to do that we would need to actually get our hands on one.
Anyone here done that?

Yeah Bob Lazar

As to the sonic boom... create a plasma 'bubble' around the craft... and the effect is that the bubble moves through the air, and the craft moves trough the bubble... in essence you take away the surrounding air...

AFRL (Air Force Research Lab) is doing it on the B2's and other designs

Revolutionary Hypersonic Aerospace Vehicles
With Plasma Actuators That Require No Moving Parts
Air Force Research Laboratory


www.thelivingmoon.com...

B2 info has a thread here already
www.abovetopsecret.com...

NAVY is doing it... google supercavitation Same concept only underwater

Codename "Shkval-Torpedo": Supercavitation is a loop-hole in physics
Shkval is faster than Concorde. Underwater: Engineers have discovered a loophole in physics that is giving Marine soldiers the creeps. The USA and Russia are now working meticulously on classified military projects.

www.articlesextra.com...

I LOVE that one a LOOPHOLE in Physics

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Folding of spacetime...
When I was in second or third grade my teacher read A Wrinkle in Time to the class. I think that's what may have gotten me hooked on science fiction.

But I digress. Let's say it is possible to get from point A to point B without traveling the distance between them, by folding spacetime. If that mode of "travel" is being used the transit would not be visible from our limited perspective. The object would vanish at point A and reappear at point B. The OP is asking the question:

Why is it that we never hear of sonic booms when UFO's take off at high rates of speed

This implies that the motion is observed. The object is seen to move from point A to point B at a "high rate of speed" and, as you point out, anything moving through the atmosphere at transonic and higher speeds will create shockwaves.

[edit on 1/27/2009 by Phage]

reply to post by Phage


Phage....it is funny ( or more correctly odd ) that I WAS actually affected by the same book, 'A Wrinkle in Time'. So, I understand....

BACK to the point of WHY we read ATS....and WHY we like it.

Sonic Booms? Well, again, as I've mentioned, an object that moves through the air WILL, if it exceeds the speed of sound, leave a 'footprint' of sound, that will propagate downward, to the surface.

THIS is why, when the SST was still flying, it was only allowed to exceed Mach while over the Ocean.

Well, the SST is long-gone....shame, really. Regardless, there is potential solution to greater space abilities, so let's see what happens!

edit for spelling....last sentence, the word 'abilities'

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