This is overwhelming. This is it folks.

Went in the army in 90 to learn how to fight when the time comes, bought plenty of guns to shoot perps in the shtf futurama. I still have a job, but the feeling is there that we will lose it all one piece at a time. I actually have felt like turning the barrel to my own head and saying to hell with it, is it worth it anymore. we know its the end dont we? imagine if only twenty percent of us work the other eighty percent will kill us, or the people we work for will work us to death and shove so much crap down our throats knowing without doubt we will not quit for any reason.
Its true folks end time watchman , the one thats typing doesn't get it anymore, see some people that are into survival lust for the day when they can wear that shotgun on a three point sling and have their shootouts like at the ok corral. but listen here, people are just going to be souless without all that shopping, its going to grind to a stop any damn day, the world is writing pink slips for all of us, use to be our biggest worry was whether or not someone would steal our pensions away or screw us out of our due social security when we are old and crapping our pants, now its about everyone losing there jobs and no jobs being there to take, even crappy ones. I can tell you one thing, kick those bastard illegals out once and for all, we americans are going to need those ditch digging jobs now. The good times are gone, its crashing folks, guns aint gonna help, question now is how do we pay the bills and whos moving into our house when the foreclosure is final. I could kick the past leaders of our usa in the ass for this, but its our own fault, we like laser sites from china, and clothes from malaysia. No one knows how to even make clothing here anymore, what is a sewing machine do anyway? Yea im taking a zanex or two just to be able to sleep so when i wake up i can puke from a nervous stomache cause everytime i see my five year old call me daddy, im worried about what we all did to there freaking future by shopping at walmart and shopping on ebay. I guess once the money is gone, no one will buy from china anymore, this will be part of its annex.

anyone else out there freaked out of there mind, and by the way it wont be a civil war retards, it will be absolute chaos and anarchy, it takes organization to fight wars, and provisions that are all just going to fade away as we become a fourth world country in the next two months.

look in a mirror, we did it, now what do we do about it, is there anything to do besides wait like the condemned on death row in texas?

Well i have been staying up way to late because i know that this pretty much seems like the end , not much left for us,

chaos it is, full of delusion and desperation. Keeping my gun next to me, its my new security blanket.

Im sorry youre so disillusioned, just dont take things to far with that gun.
I sleep with mine next to me so Im right there with you on security blanket.

why does it feel so good, its heavy cold metal, but it feels as warm as any blanket you could ever snuggle with

I hear you. I think we need a massive realignment of priorites, where people's sense of self-worth is not defined by materialism or socio-economic status. People are going to have to find something else to live for: family, spirituality, intellect, art, whatever. Because the bling-bling shuffle has brought us to this used-up, souleless condition. It will be a very hard transition for most people to make. But we all need to make that leap. Its the only way we can salvage anything from this ordeal. Trial by fire. The fire burns with intense pain but it also has the potential to purify, sanctify, and clense.

can someone whos been through a recession please write and talk about some solutions for us in our everyday life that will help us get through this...

I have not been in a recession, but Ive read alot and Argentina collapsed in 2001, theres alot on it on youtube. Try george4title, he gives a good summary from teh same post I read, cant link it, sorry. Anyway, the most important thing is to change your mentality. You have to start thinking like a survivor. You have to stop buying things to decorate your house, and start stocking up on essentials. Buy a gun while you still can. BO is gonna raise the tax on guns and ammo 300%.

From the UK here, and I can agree with the OP ( all in one post mind and with hardly any breaks).

Anyways back to the plot.
To all the Americans, scratch that ...

TO ALL CITIZENS of ANY nationality. GET YOURSELF A WEAPON of any sort.

I'm thinking about going to the black market and getting some ironmongery for me and my families protection.

Screw the law, in chaos and anarchy, it's the law of the strong.

I think the world should be tooled up, theres too many knives out there and people are ready to stick it in you for your mobile phone, your wallet and even because you come from a different part of town or simply because your eyes strayed in their direction.
How much crime can be stopped simply by pointing the gun at some little toerag with a knife?
You'll have to resist the urge to plug them though, be superior to them, know to not pull the trigger unless you have NO OTHER CHOICE.

Sooner or later the world will erupt into chaos , either by design or by chance, we are living in the most uncertain times ever, even WW2 was more linear than today.
The world can change in an instant and we , the ordinary citizenry need to be ready anyway we can.

Dont be held down by the must have line of the media " You Must Buy This New Mobile Phone, Or New Gadget" .
Dont be materialistic , there's no real need, just have enough to clear your debts, and be content.
Do NOT be a slave to need or desire or to credit cards , Loans , or the banks or government.


Stock up on food , on water, keep the foodstock rotating, use the older stuff first , keep the newer stuff near the back and use and restock as and when. buuy a generator to supply your home with power and heat, buy tents, a bugout bag incase.
Buy the necessaries, keep your vehicle fueled , refill at halfway and never let it go below that and have spare gas for when the prices become uinaffordable or supplies limited.

Have a plan.
Know your rights.
Expect the worst.
Plan for the worst.
Hope for the best.

BE STRONG not only for YOURSELF but for YOUR LOVED ONES.

Originally posted by DataWraith
Dont be held down by the must have line of the media " You Must Buy This New Mobile Phone, Or New Gadget" .
Dont be materialistic , there's no real need, just have enough to clear your debts, and be content.
Do NOT be a slave to need or desire or to credit cards , Loans , or the banks or government.

I had that kind of thinking since birth. Looks like it's paying off in difficult times.

But if all people have been thinking like that ever since, we won't be in this mess in the first place. There are no tyrants if there are no slaves, it's that simple. Freedom is a choice but not an easy one to make.

You really don't have that much to worry about. There will be a certain level of chaos for a certain period of time. But after that it will be better. It won't be the level that middle class citizens enjoy now but it won't be anarchy. Follow me here and I'll explain.

We are currently in the "reaction" phase of a very large "problem-reaction-solution" scenario. This thing has been in the works since the 1800's. The key players are organizations like the Central Banks and the IMF. The goal has been to bankrupt all nations. Then they will step in, buy all debt and implement the world government. Several political figures over the past few weeks have mentioned a "new world order" due to the global meltdown. It's all part of the plan.

After getting all these nations in debt they planned on crashing the economy and then coming in to save everyone. I read about this years and years ago. And now the final step is happening.

Think about this. The housing bubble in the U.S. was what started this whole thing. But the bubble was fine for many years. What happened to just suddenly pop the bubble? They popped it. Then they started flooding the news stations with the doom and gloom. Then they started talking about the trillion dollar derivative market. That in turn was the signal for the banks to stop lending. Then credit dried up. Businesses had to cut staff. Those unemployed people can't buy much. Less money for business. And the downward spiral was started. It's just a snowball that they started back in July of 2008 when the currency exchange markets turned in the opposite direction that they had been going in for many years.

They aren't going to let it get to the point of anarchy. They aren't going to let it get out of their control. It will get bad for many people but they will step in at some point. The UK is talking about the bankruptcy of the entire country. Iceland is already there. They need enough chaos where people will want the one world socialist government to come in and save them.

All you have to do is survive for a little while longer. If you become homeless do some research on squatting laws and find you a home. Plant some food if possible. If not then buy in bulk to save money. I don't know when they will step in but they will. They have been planning this for way too long to let it get out of their control.

I agree that IF all people had thought like this then we wouldn't be in the pickle we are now, but unfortunatley people are being told lazy is good, get what you want for little or no effort.
All you have to do is sign the dotted line and you can get your just desserts.

People , generations before us had to work for a living and work hard to support their families, technology and devices HAVE made our lives easier but with it came the desire to let someone else do all the work, let a machine take the brunt of the workload.

"I'll still get paid the same amount to do less work, easier and easier."

There will come a time when man doesn't have to work , just push buttons and the work is done ( computers are helping that along right now as we speak) soon we won't even have to touch the keypad, we'll talk all our work. then we'll think our work, our bodies will become fat and unmovable.

Then mankind will be in the downward spiral of defeat and despression , we are already being bombarded by the media thin is beautiful, fat is bad. But in the same ad break , New bigger burger now with extra lard.
We are in a world of conflicting information, we don't know where to turn, who to listen to. We then head to the easier option, because we don't want to think for ourselves - someone else can do it for us.

We must do what is best for ourselves, each of us is our own universe, we are the most important person in the world, listgen to your bodies needs, not what your told you must have, your only lining someone elses pocket and why should you do that?

Think of life like I have - - - WHO do you work for ?

is it you? your family? or the tax man and credit card banks?

Pay off your debts but spending as little as you can on frivoless items, stop wasting food ( we in the UK throw away a third of the food we buy each week apparently) use the extra money to pay off a debt quicker. Get out of their pockets .

Be your own person , but if you want to let someone else control your world and your life then go claim benefits and then you'll be their willing slave....
Just don't come to my door begging when your food runs out and your water is poisoned , Mind you, you won't be able to get off your fat lardy asses will you?
And my phones numbers ex-directory so you won't be able to call me for help either HAHAHA...

Calm down, one door close's another opens. People will survive and you will too
anxiety is normal..look at all the stimulus you are getting to make you feel this way. Believe in the goodness of people because or the most part we are..we will share and survive. Your post will get you on a watch list somewhere.
I feel your pain but I have to tell you be of good cheer..nothing is as it seems..you will be ok. You are not alone..we all have to walk the same path.
Guns are not the answer to your problems..nor the solution to that which we face. I agree a weapon like the forefathers said are necessary but they are not the answer..not our only option. This is 2009 not 1929...be the change you want to see in the world...
Take care
Stan

I don't deny that we are all being controlled and used in the NWO agenda but you really need to stop looking at your propaganda TV there in the US. I suggest you get yourself a flight to a country where there is real poverty (no not Mexico) and then you'll be in a better position to see that you and your country isn't in the grip of ANYTHING other than the usual media hyped fear mongering.

So rather than feeling sorry for yourself (I know its easy from personal experience) but get a grip of yourself. Control what you can and resist what you can't and comply where it leads to unnecessary stress in your life. I don't think people look at themselves and take responsibility for their own actions that they are certainly in control of but take the easy blame way out. Debt or most of it is self-inflicted and can be reduced if you take the necessary steps over a period of time. You will find that its the lack of money (when you look wrongly at what you think you need) that makes you unhappy and gives a feeling of loss of personal control and choice.

Why do you think people buy Lotto tickets, over-eat, drink to much, watch to much TV and avoid looking for the truth? Because it’s easier than being responsible for your own actions and the results of this.

You people REALLY worry me.

If you can't solve anything with dialogue then you shouldn't have a gun.

Makes me wonder if you really want to protect yourselves OR do you want the chance to shoot somebody in the chaos, whilst nobody is watching?

You certainly live up to your stereotypes eh? Gun under the pillow etc.

Originally posted by NOTANWOFOLLOWER
look in a mirror, we did it, now what do we do about it

Look through the mirror. They did it.

All went to plan, and they've done an excellent job.

Now what do we do about it?

I'd forgotten about the lotto tickets ( or as I call it , the stupidity tax).

YOU GOTTA BE IN IT TO WIN IT.....

Yeah right, more like :

YOU GIVE US YOUR MONEY YOU STUPID FAT LAZY SHEEPLE.

a vain hope that maybe fate will throw you a bone and help you live a life of luxury and excess because your too fat and lazy to actually go and sort yourself out...

Besides has anyone ever won the UK Euro lottery in the UK?

Never seen it, a 'foreign' winner gets it everytime its a big jackpot...
Nobody except the lotto company wins, I bet they keep the money because people don't ask " Who won it?".

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Just curious as a fellow UK 'suffer', do you actually see a future here in the UK or are you like me seeking to get away to somewhere less expensive, warmer and less stressful? I know its different where ever you go but I do see a bad trend in the attitude of people and the 'get out of my way', 'take what you can get', and the rise of the class that depend on state support as a way of life and not even aware of the price for this?

I think I understand your weapon stance but don’t agree as I think this is what they want to further divide and conquer?

I'm here by necessity not choice and if I could move I would/will in a couple of years, hopefully?????

Wow! - People are overthinking this whole thing!

And you know - if you let them get to you now - you've already let them win.

Just as the Apostles joyfully suffered for Christ so can we endure such trivial hardships as we are facing with a smile on our face.

If there is one thing darkness cannot stand and cannot triumph over is the light - so simply be a becone of wisdom and strength in your community and you will transform the culture around you.

And I heartily agree with Infinite Paradox that they are not interested in bringing enough hardship so that people start waking up en masse.

Remember - life is good - it's amazing - they can never ever take your sense of wonder and awe from you - they have no power whatsover over your soul.

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

- Matthew 10:28

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I saw a bumper sticker: "Lottery: taxes for people that can't do math"

We need to get our feet under ourselves. Some of you may say freedom starts with a gun but I say freedom starts in your mind. Freedom is being free from that which holds you down. So then the question is what are you being held down from? From achieving a certain career title, amount of wealth, neighborhood? To me Freedom is me being able to live my life without being bothered by other people telling me how I should be living my life.

I don't have worldwide freedom. I can't just pack a bag and walk south to Patagonia. I would get stopped at borders and mugged by drug gangs and criminals so both the govt and non got oppress me there. What I can do at the moment is be free in my house and pretty much on my property. I have freedom to drive pretty much anywhere in the USA lower 48 and with a passport a freedom to drive through all Canada too.

I do have debt and have to repay it but I am not taking on additional debt as my wife and I have finally seen the light in regards to wants and needs. A dog, a cat, a garden, a wood stove, clean drinking water, lots of farmers around -many of them my friends so life is good. I don't have a working TV, microwave, second car, digital picture frame, and the majority of my clothes are older than 5 years. I don't eat out more than a couple times a year but have learned to cook excellent food and brew tasty beer.

It's more productive to work towards something than against something.

I have a gun, but its 800 miles away at my pops house. DOH!

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Good advice, DataWraith. Just yesterday I downloaded and watched a video from the UK on what people thought about giving up their guns, it was about an old man whose home was invaded and he shot one of them dead, only to go to prison for murder, and then get sued for killing someone who tried to kill him! Here in America we still have our guns, I sleep with a loaded .44 under my pillow every night. I often hear rumors about the big shot leaders will take them away with totalitarian laws, but they cannot have mine, only the bullets. The Militias are locked and loaded, and people are angry...waiting for somebody to start it, I reckon. I don't know what will happen, but I try to be ready, just in case.