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Originally posted by Northern Raider
In New York as soon as news broke many gas stations closed, some chose to close, other were told to close by cops who feared war had broken out, but the effect was the same, people ran out of fuel trying to flee the area. Other gas stations were simply sucked dry in hours by the surge in demand.
Originally posted by kozmo
(1)This isn't realistic for severeal reasons... First and foremost, travel is going to be heavily restricted by military personnell and local safety forces. You wouldn't make it 10 miles before being stopped and possibly detained. Secondly, you will run out of fuel in a day and then wind up stranded... well, wherever you just ran out of fuel. . Bugging out via vehicle is dumb, dumb, dumb!!!
(2)The smarter person will shelter in place until the first wave of danger has passed and panic and chaos have somewhat tamed making travel a little safer.
(3)All of this talk of bugging out by vehicle is moronic in my opinion. You are basing your entire existence on a mechanical vehicle which requires fuel, has restricted travel options, could break down in an instant, has a highly visible profile (either by eye, AWAC ground radar, heat signature etc...)
No, planning for the use of a vehicle for your primary method of BO is a dead-end street. Better to utilize stragtegy and think ahead. Plan your routes through wooded areas or areas well-off the beaten path. These will be safer and will provide you with shelter and supply opportunities along the way. Your own two feet or a bicycle are the smartest ways to travel IMHO.
Originally posted by angryamerican
Northern Raider I mean no disrespect to your knowledge and ideas. They are more intelligent and level headed then most.
How ever for the record I am getting really sick and tired of you dissing the jeep because you don't like it. The jeep is really as useful as the claims make it sound.
You have made it very clear repeatedly you don't like or want a jeep of any sort. Good for you. You have made your choice but so have many of us myself included many of us have chosen the Jeep.
Remember there is no malice meant here at all As I said I respect you greatly.
Originally posted by angryamerican
Northern Raider I mean no disrespect to your knowledge and ideas. They are more intelligent and level headed then most.
The van you linked to would not go down many of the trails In my state but the jeep can and does very well. so what is the use of having a BOV if you cant bug out to your chosen location. A van sunk in door deep mud is useless
Originally posted by angryamerican
Short and sweet I was in a bad mood earlier and broke my own cardinal rule and hit the send button before I thought about it. Sorry about that!
As for the links they are sweet but My main worry is the weight. Have you ever seen the Chevy Suburban. Its a happy mix of a van and a truck. www.chevrolet.com... It in itself weighs way to much. Its still less then the full conversions like you like. Sure you cant stand in it but it will haul and sleep. So what do you think?
[edit on 25-1-2009 by angryamerican]
Originally posted by hotrodturbo7
Weighing in here with my setup:
2001 Ford F-250 3/4 ton 7.3 Diesel (last of the REAL 7.3's)
25 gal native fuel cap.=400 miles loaded range in adverse conditions
40 gal removable auxillary fuel for 600 miles additional range
80 degree tank heater with dedicted battery for cold weather conditions
(gelling problem solved)
Ability to run on alternative fuel (any vegetable oil). This is not sustainable due to filtration and coking issues, but can get you out of trouble. Biodiesel setup can be built from junk as long as you can get lye and methanol. (I have access to a small still already).
Sleeping gear is kept in the house, packed in tubs, along with cooking gear and the rest of the stuff needed for extended camping.
Small solar panel to maintain battery condition for long periods of sitting without burning fuel. This is an important addition for ANY BOV but especially if you have multiple batts.
Small wind generator with a mount for a locally sourced wooden mast. Pine tree most likely suspect.
Also shout out to nominate Raider for survival pimp of the year, despite the percieved Jeep bias! And to say everyone picking up the Guy Fawkes bit are pretenders and Raider is the original. just kidding all.
Originally posted by NuclearPaul
Well, I'm just glad I've got a diesel 4x4. Once you're out of town it would be a lot easier to "aquire" diesel, if necessary. And a 4x4 can carry more weight generally, too.