Barack Obama sworn in again, but without a Bible

More than likely there was a person in charge of the Lincoln Bible, I don't think they kept it out of safe keeping any longer than they needed to. A president is often ushered around to do this or do that, now do this. For an oversight to happen like this doesn't sound uncommon to me. Even if he turned around to everyone present and said, "Does anyone have a Bible?" I'm sure the answer would be "no". A shame though, maybe our leaders in Washington should be more prepared to help the president by carrying one. I don't like Obama's policies, he just okay'd destroying embryos and creating a market for them, he is facilitating overseas abortions now, so to me not having the book show up at a queued moment isn't my greatest cause for concern with the man. I'm more concerned with him knowing what's inside of it.

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Originally posted by TH3ON3
Why? Because they are generally of a much higher intelligence, and have some morals directing their decisions. Yes, I believe that Christians are the best leaders in any circumstance.

Disclaimer: You have the right to believe whatever you want. I have the right to believe whatever I want. That said, I will now sate my opinion.

I have a hard time believing that Christians are of a much higher intelligence. I do believe that there are a lot of Christians out there that think the world is only 6,000 years old. Every group of people has it's crazies, fanatics and extremists. There are stupid people everywhere. Every group also has it's level headed intelligent people.

Every person has their own set of morals. Morality is not some kind of mystical gift bestowed only on Christians. Every SINGLE person has their own sense of right and wrong.

I can't agree with you that Christians are the best leaders in every circumstance because I don't believe that religious standing should effect a political leaders decisions.

It's a good thing that we have a separation of church and state so that we don't HAVE to be under the constant leadership of Christians and Christians alone.

Originally posted by saint4God
he just okay'd destroying embryos and creating a market for them,

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Source please, because as far as I know they are using embyos that were going to be discarded in the first place. And marketing embyos?? Where did you get that?

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Originally posted by TasteTheMagick
I have a hard time believing that Christians are of a much higher intelligence.

Me too. I'm sure if you took a group of people and had them take I.Q. tests they would not be divided by whether they are Christian or not.

Originally posted by TasteTheMagick
There are stupid people everywhere. Every group also has it's level headed intelligent people.

So which one are you?

Originally posted by TasteTheMagick
It's a good thing that we have a separation of church and state so that we don't HAVE to be under the constant leadership of Christians and Christians alone.

There's no 'separation of church and state' because we have Christian politicians and non-politician Christians who are Republican/Democrat.

Originally posted by Uniceft17

Originally posted by saint4God
he just okay'd destroying embryos and creating a market for them,

[edit on 23-1-2009 by saint4God]

Source please, because as far as I know they are using embyos that were going to be discarded in the first place. And marketing embyos?? Where did you get that?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Please be sure to read through the thread where I've discussed the economic impact of embryos as commodities. Sorry for the off-topic interruption, just wanting to make the point that this 'no second Bible' incident is not what has me concerned about Barack.

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I already have been playing close attention to that thread and their is no market for it, it is opinion not fact, and shouldn't be stated as fact.

Like another user said I have more faith in humanity than that.

Originally posted by saint4God
There's no 'separation of church and state' because we have Christian politicians and non-politician Christians who are Republican/Democrat.

How is that evidence that there is no separation of church and state. You should be able to hold any position regardless of your religious standing. You can be a politician and a christian AND hold office at the same time. But that also stands for any other belief system someone might have.

As for the whole stem cell business. I think that if women are going to have abortions anyway, we might as well use the embryonic cells for research that could help people.

It really doesn't matter what religion someone has in a seat of power like the presidency(if you can call it a seat of power).

Who ever and what ever religious organization he/she is going to protect or serve there are always gonna be another set or group of people who are against their values.

He is to serve the people of the nation that elected him to do so. not to serve just 1 particular God, or Religion. if he fails to serve the people as he planned it's not God that will punish him(at least not right away if that's what you believe). it will be the people...

Swearing on a holy book of any kind in my opinion wont make him any better or worse of a president. it wont lend credibility to his ability to perform the office he was elected to perform.

Originally posted by SantaClaus
AND WELCOME BACK TO THE O'REILLY FACTOR!

Oh wait, this is ATS, got confused there for a sec, because like the MSM, you were all talking about s*** that doesn't matter.

He is the 4th president to have to do this. It is not a big deal. He is our president, bottom line.

And like another poster said, it was videotaped.

Oh by the way, families are losing their homes and 18 year olds are building debt they'll never be able to pay.. But you all keep arguing rhetoric!

Actually... it does matter. What if they messed up on purpose then redid it without a bible on purpose. So that now he never swore to God that he'd be faithful. Say the "Illuminati"(or whatever you want to call them) are really running everything. Say they are religious and do believe in God. But say they think they need to break the rules of the constitution to push their agenda. This way they can do that without that burden.

Yes he was the 4th president to redo the oath, but the first to do it without a Bible.

And NO it was not video taped... that was a still image with a voice over. But thats beyond the point I'm trying to make.

No snip families are losing their homes.. mine is one of them on the brink. But if this next president isn't going to follow the constitution it could get a lot worse. And if you want to talk about more important things.. homeless here in the US are way less important than the millions dying around the work from starvation.



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I saw in another thread somewhere that it was taped and they posted the video to prove it. Whatever you saw was not the ONLY source, obviously. Either way you look at it, he's taken the oath, something that doesn't require a silly little bible.

You men(and women) are brainwashed by Obama, stop it! The man's been president for 3 days now and your already kissing his feet. He hasn't even done anything yet, we can worship him when he brings some change, right now it still looks like the old United States Of America with a bunch of fanantics running amiss.

Originally posted by TasteTheMagick
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I saw in another thread somewhere that it was taped and they posted the video to prove it. Whatever you saw was not the ONLY source, obviously. Either way you look at it, he's taken the oath, something that doesn't require a silly little bible.

I've looked for it.. there is not.. Send me a link to that video.

If you read the article "Barack Obama sworn in again, but without a Bible"

"No TV camera crews or news photographers – although pictures were taken by a White House photographer"

But agian.. I dont care about that..

Originally posted by TasteTheMagick
Either way you look at it, he's taken the oath, something that doesn't require a silly little bible.

You must not understand what I'm trying to say... maybe "they"/him doooo believe in God and the fact that he did not swear on the Bible gets them off the hook to not follow the constitution. So what if you don't think the Bible is a big deal.. (actually I don't either... I have my own views, the Bible is mostly just a bunch of stories and has been changed over the years anyways.) buuuuttt.... we already know that they don't care about breaking human laws but what if they don't like breaking God's laws... this would be a way to get around it. Just don't swear to God, then all you are doing is breaking a human law.

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I'll try to find it again. I'm positive it's around because it was posted before. At any rate, I understand the point you're trying to make, but I still don't think it's a really VALID point.

It doesn't get him off the hook, breaking a law is breaking a law. Whether he/they think god is involved or not.

Sometimes the discussions concerning christianity in the US makes me think of what it was like in Europe a couple of hundred years ago.

It would have been kinda cool for him to have sworn on the Koran the second time around. That would have put the cat amongst the pigeons.

Does it really matter that much?

Assuming God exists, surely he will be judged by God regardless of whether he swears on a Bible or not... correct? So it really doesn't matter. If you're a Christian then your religion states that you're judged when you die irrespective of whether you swear on the Bible.

As for the messed up lines of the original oath of office... I think he just made a mistake. Clearly he was nervous (wouldn't you be with a couple of million people staring at you, with hundreds of millions more from across the world looking on too?) and both Obama and the Chief Justice seemed very self-concious about the mistake.

Originally posted by Ste2652
Assuming God exists, surely he will be judged by God regardless of whether he swears on a Bible or not... correct? So it really doesn't matter. If you're a Christian then your religion states that you're judged when you die irrespective of whether you swear on the Bible.

"Judge not, lest ye be judged"
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

I don't know what passages these are, I'm quoting from memory. Regardless of these lines, however, many Christians don't seem to keep this in mind and go on judging away.

As for the messed up lines of the original oath of office... I think he just made a mistake. Clearly he was nervous (wouldn't you be with a couple of million people staring at you, with hundreds of millions more from across the world looking on too?) and both Obama and the Chief Justice seemed very self-concious about the mistake.

I agree with you here. The Chief Justice should have probably just read it instead of trying to go off of memory alone.

"HEY CLEM... I heard OBAMA was sworn in on satans horn resting on a head of lettuce!"

"Oh ya KOOTER, well I heards Obama is a socialist, NWO, MUSLIN, ZIONIST..."



I'm gonna go and drowned my shock in a tub of cheezwiz.

Originally posted by danman23
we already know that they don't care about breaking human laws but what if they don't like breaking God's laws... this would be a way to get around it. Just don't swear to God, then all you are doing is breaking a human law.

This statement is assuming the bible is "God's laws". Humans wrote the bible, not God. Get it right. The Constitution has more of the 'breath of God' in it than the bible does, and at least it's not filled with slaughter, doom and gloom and at least the ones who wrote it aren't trying to dictate how you think and how you percieve life, consciousness and an afterlife if there even is an afterlife.