Obama to Bush: I Can Release Your Records. Don't Like It? Sue.

smoke and mirrors....

Apparently, you guys still fall for it.

He closes Guantanamo Bay - Great PR Stunt, like they don't have at least 20 more the prisoners will be relocated to.

He threatens to release records - Makes the public want to trust him more, because he is the first president in 8 years to 'work for the people'.

Yeah they might release records, but it will be nothing to incriminate Bush, because in the long run they both are working for a common goal.


Deny Ignorance

Personally I believe that the Americans have a lot to benefit from having Barrack Oboma as their leader. Its about time George Dubya get what is deserved. I hope this guy reveals all the truth about 9/11, Area51 and ET contact, and exposes the NWO for trying to orchestrate some of the most heinous crimes committed on the planet!

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yep, you're over 40. With a statement like that you demonstrate some wisdom with time behind it. Well done!

If Obama wants to make it thru his term, I hope he knows who to, and who not to Piss Off. The last thing we need is an assassination right now. I sure hope this isn't the January 21-22 Crises Cheney was talking about. Hmmm?

Well, I for one think this is a good start. I have been on this website for awhile now, but only recently became a member. Through my gut and this website I have learned to sit back and watch for a bit before jumping on any subject, especially those that involve politics. Having said that.....
I think he started off with a bang, let's hope he doesn't end that way. The last President that tried to make waves in the White House was put on a slab. But no one does anything without something to gain, which begs the question, what does Obama and the democrats have to gain from disclosing former Presidents records? I would bet that it isn't just to give the American people access. Of course my cynical thinking could be from past administrations (Clintons). I didn't vote for Obama mainly because, just like another poster stated, he seems more like a magician. Check out what I'm doing over here, while I make this disappear. I'll watch a little more than one day before I make that call.
Many on this website claim to stand for the constitution, and the bill of rights. I say a lot of you moreso believe in this to your convenience. Bush hasn't been convicted of anything, and in my opinion a former President, current President whatever has just as much right to "Innocent until proven guilty". Obama would not in my opinion again, release incriminating documents against Bush or Cheney because not only the backlash of Americans that would be screaming for his head, but all the extra workload that would be put upon him while he needs to be focusing on other things like running the country.
Whether you want to be blind to it, ignore it or whatever the case may be, Bush has done a lot of good for the country. He has also made a lot of mistakes. I think he stood tall in a lot of cases where others wouldn't, which would have made us look weak. I would rather a strong physical presence, than a weak looking country. We had that under Clinton. I do not agree with the way Bush went about a lot of things. I do believe there was more to 9/11, Iraq, the oncoming depression. But that will all be discussed in another topic.
Bottom line is this. Let's give the new administration longer than 1 day to sing their praises. I do love what has happened the first day, but let's see what it all means for us in the long run instead of the right now. For a conspiracy theory forum, a lot of you are sure quick to jump on the bandwagon.

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I think the nay sayers should SHUT UP and find something else to bi****h about. I guess whatever good Obama does will be pooped on by these type of people.

Whhooooo Hoooo, He just signed the Order to close Gitmo!!!!!!!!!

This man is taking leadership of this nation by the horns. The US is finally becoming a nation that is adhering to the values of freedom and rights. No more giving up our ideals, we can and will win this fight and keep our humanity intact.

I am so proud that I supported and voted for the 44th POTUS.

Originally posted by jam321
If Obama goes after Bush, he is in for a war with the Republicans in Congress. They will scrutinized his every move and will try to impeach him for the smallest of things. Politics will be at an all time low. I got a feeling a lot of this is just wishful thinking.

the republicans are going to war against obama no matter what he does. sorry, but impeachment is out of the question, they need a majority to bring impeachment proceedings, and republicans in washington are non-gratis and impotent. they have sealed their minority status for along time. they have simply become the small yapping annoying chihuahua (i hope thats how you spell it) of the congress. the GOP had it's chance and they stomped this country into the ground. people will have a long memory of republicans in power and what they did.

[edit on 22-1-2009 by jimmyx]

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I agree 100%

As has been asked before "WHO is this Obama guy?".
Transparency in government sounds all well and good, but exposing previous presidential misgivings is a bit much... Let's start with Bush and work back to the beginning, or at least far enough back that the next regime says " Oh NO, we will NOT expose my father for what he was."

Lay bare the records that have been requested by many here on ATS, Mr. O,
then I will start to listen to what you may have to say. Otherwise, transparency
has a new meaning. I ain't ready for that type of CHANGE.

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Sorry, but the democrat-led congress has done far worse than the republicans have ever done. On top of that congresses approval rating keeps going lower and lower.

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They will do that anyway, I assure you. Don't you remember Clinton? Remember an impeachment over a lie about an extramarital affair? Pathetic, totally partisan.

The difference now is Obama doesn't have anything to hide (open government) whereas Bush hid everything. He had to, he was raking in a fortune at the expense of the nation.

Originally posted by redhead57
Whhooooo Hoooo, He just signed the Order to close Gitmo!!!!!!!!!

This man is taking leadership of this nation by the horns. The US is finally becoming a nation that is adhering to the values of freedom and rights. No more giving up our ideals, we can and will win this fight and keep our humanity intact.

I am so proud that I supported and voted for the 44th POTUS.

Couldn't it be possible it was closed because too many people know about it? Why not move them to another location? He never said he was pardoning all of them, and only the prison in Guantanamo is closing, not the whole base.

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The difference now is Obama doesn't have anything to hide (open government) whereas Bush hid everything.

Nothing to hide YET. It is still early in the ball game my friend. Many scandals to come.

Originally posted by damwel
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They will do that anyway, I assure you. Don't you remember Clinton? Remember an impeachment over a lie about an extramarital affair? Pathetic, totally partisan.

It had a little bit more to do than one lie about an affair. And had the affair continued outside the oval office, that wouldn't have been an issue.

The difference now is Obama doesn't have anything to hide (open government) whereas Bush hid everything. He had to, he was raking in a fortune at the expense of the nation.

Proof? Do you have one shred of evidence, or is this your opinion? Do you normally jump up and slander an individual because you don't believe in their politics?

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people will have a long memory of republicans in power and what they did.

It is a shame that they forget about the Democrats who went along with the Republicans and what they did.

republicans in washington are non-gratis and impotent.

I am sure they have some viagra stashed away some where. Just waiting for the right moment to use it.

Originally posted by damwel
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The difference now is Obama doesn't have anything to hide (open government) whereas Bush hid everything.

Bush never paid 3 law firms to hide his birth certificate. How about finally releasing that in this era of transparency?

So far I've been proven wrong about this fella.

But the term is young,

let's see what else he can pull off...

Just remember that presidential records are basically sealed for 12 years. Obama's order will not cause a flood of Bush's records to come out. What it does do is release a lot of the records of Reagan and Bush Sr.. Both of which should have been opened during Bush's term.

Originally posted by kyred
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Well, what goes around comes around I have heard. Great, when the next president takes over he can expose Obama's secret files, too.

You mean like his birth certificate?

nenothtu out

As a British citizen , obviously policy decisions made by the US head of state, are for the most part not going to affect me one iota. However as Obama is the leader of the moment, I hope that my own government see the sense in inspiring trust in its people, by discontinuing the general march toward secrecy and opaque governing.
Currently there is a battle in the Houses Of Parliment , to decide finaly the law on disclosure of expense accounts. Gordon Brown wants them exempt from the freedom of information act, and everyone else wants him to take a flying leap off Big Ben...
It will be interesting to see exactly how Obamas transparent goverment style , effects the British Government , and the way they decide what to tell us , the citizens about what happens in government.