I am in prison and just need a little help to escape. Please hear me out...

What follows is a customer review from AmazonDotCom of a Rumpelstiltskin movie made in 1987.

I have not seen this movie, but I think this customer's review provides a graphic example of the product of the behavioral science that Phyberdragon has referred to extensively, as well as cited, chapter and verse.

I would imagine this movie was not very true to the original Grimm version of the tale, but maybe you should brace yourself for the shock of hearing this customer say, among other things, that Rumpelstiltskin should have been able to keep the baby!

I bought this movie for a pretty steep price for a used video, mainly because I remember my parents taking me to see it when I was 7 years old. Now that I have seen this movie again, I realize that it is actually a very SUPERFICIAL and unusually disturbing story.... By the way, What did Rumplestiltskin do that was so wrong? So what if the guy wanted a baby? He made a legally binding agreement with Katie and she should have stuck to it. Instead, with her newfound Princess status she seeks to destroy him and once again sneak her way out of a bad situation. Overall, I ended up feeling rather sad for Rumplestiltskin and think he should have gotten to keep the baby. Katie had a responsibility to that troll and she should have kept it! In fact, I would have rather seen the KING sucked into a firey pit in the floor than Rumplestiltskin... This is not a movie I would reccomend for kids to watch and hopefully it didn't effect my seven year old brain too much when I first saw it back in the 80's.

So you think death is a way out?
From the technology here and now it will not make one dot of a difference.
Each army had its secrets and its magicians who could convince the otherside they were defeated by their armies:
They could twist even their own leads thoughts.

Since the invention of tesla technology and on to our present day computers its now allowed low level magicians to get in on the act..
They can swap our minds form person to person. Take our spirit and place it in a bottle replace it with a more suberviant version that does not know what`s happening and is unlike to do anything...
You don`t need the microchip.

They in their nieve way think they can heal and control with the same technology as well as kill: So you think you can escape?

Hello there, long time lurker on ATS.
This is slightly off topic, for that i apologize, but its relevant anyway;

I make animations for a hobby, and just want to let you know that the opening post and some of the following responses on the first page really inspired me for an animation idea, especially "MischeviousElf" first reply, with the old yogi escaping through visualising part.

I want to make a short animation of the metaphorical concept which youve explained, and hope it is ok with "Rumpelstiltskin" and "MischeviousElf" that i "borrow" inspiration from your posts and myself, to create a short piece of 2d cartoony film describing this "situation" and sortof telling a story at the same time. If you`d like I`ll also credit you for the idea, or simply refer to Abovetopsecret.com in the credits, whatever you prefer.

I was thinking i could post up the animation in this thread when im done, (i have written down the entire story i want to tell) but it might take me some weeks to do all the animation.

U2U me for answers, questions or details and let the topic continue

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Thanks Peckle,

Glad to have inspired someone, Have returned your U2U.

I am sure all would like to see the animation. It's fine by me if you use the info I posted, refer it to my user name and you have to source it to this thread and ATS.

i would as well as I am not too sure on the Legal Aspects of this check with the ATS staff, SO or Crakuer or Simon Gray as to the legal aspects of this.

I know all of our work done here can be used by the ATS LLC as they deem fit with no reward to us, however I am not sure how that would fit into any further work you do, and the Creative Commons aspect of it. So to make sure it is referred to properly, to know your rights of any work you produce from this site and so forth give one of them a u2u for clarification.

Maybe one of them could explain here to us, if I wanted to draw on any of the work ive contributed to ATS as well, where does the creative Commons aspect lie? would it be mine or ATS stuff or joint commons as such?

Kind Regards,

Elf

Yes, thanks alot for pointing this out, I suppose this could be important in the future. However I want to adress that it is only yours and OPs post that I want to borrow material from, so aslong as I get an OK from you two, things should be cool right? (thats an uncertain "right"), I know this is a pretty huge site and there are certain rules and disclamers, so if any mod or overlord could confirm what i just said, that would be great!

Originally posted by MischeviousElf
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Thanks Peckle,

Glad to have inspired someone, Have returned your U2U.

I am sure all would like to see the animation. It's fine by me if you use the info I posted, refer it to my user name and you have to source it to this thread and ATS.

i would as well as I am not too sure on the Legal Aspects of this check with the ATS staff, SO or Crakuer or Simon Gray as to the legal aspects of this.

I know all of our work done here can be used by the ATS LLC as they deem fit with no reward to us, however I am not sure how that would fit into any further work you do, and the Creative Commons aspect of it. So to make sure it is referred to properly, to know your rights of any work you produce from this site and so forth give one of them a u2u for clarification.

Maybe one of them could explain here to us, if I wanted to draw on any of the work ive contributed to ATS as well, where does the creative Commons aspect lie? would it be mine or ATS stuff or joint commons as such?

Kind Regards,

Elf

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Should here something here by tomorrow Peckle, have asked the person needed for you, but not around at the moment.

Elf.

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You know, ME...

this has a nice tie in with the Avalon thread which I have been watching like a hawk.

Add to that your understanding of story elements as basic building blocks, and I think you have a classic here.

“Credit”

The “credit” that this post is concerned with is the credit that I think now would be a good time to give ATS owners and staff for creating a forum that a dialogue like this can occur, and then 'permitting' this website to be used for that dialogue. Some day, I hope we are all equal. But for now I think ATS administrators and staff deserve plenty of credit for the permission we receive from them.

There is another credit issue that I would like to mention now, just in case the credit-worthiness issue that I would like to raise here has been overlooked as completely as it would seem. I wonder why no “inspiration” seems to be drawn from the story of Phyberdragon. Has anyone read this pesron's story? Incidentally, I have no idea who this person is, but now Rumpelstiltskin wonders if this thread would have progressed beyond a prison riot without Phyberdragon.

[edit on 24-1-2009 by Rumpelstiltskin]

Out of the box? There is no box.

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And indeed you are (due where credit is due). We have no intention to steal your thunder.

I welcome you to join us if you so desire. Together we can make this prison break.

And of course PD too...

you have a false sense of hope, i know because of where i work. most black people are looking at obama as a brother and a saviour. he can't do much alone, he has to go through channels. sorry to burst your bubble

That was a wonderful piece of writing and I found no real need for the "read between the lines" pointer. So I was shocked to see just how many people didn't seem to understand where you were coming from.
Take it from an inmate, we are not alone. Peace

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that's only because you are looking at this differently and see a more intellual picture other than the one presented, now your going to give this guy another idea for a thread or he'll twist it to your way of thinking and act like he was the brains behind it

Just to inform those who have requested more information from me. I am preparing a U2U message that I will be sending (unless it's against the rules here) to all members who have posted positive replies in this thread. Thanks again for those positive replies. This thread would have been a disaster without them.

Originally posted by Matyas
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And indeed you are (due where credit is due). We have no intention to steal your thunder.

I welcome you to join us if you so desire. Together we can make this prison break.

And of course PD too...

Thank's. I don't really do credit well, that's why I avoid Dean's List's and Perfect Scores on anything. I'm really shy and reclusive, despite appearances. Use what you like, credit if you wish, but, I'd get the permission from my sources posted which I failed to obtain. One can't hijack a page which is intended for such use. I hear often that there are not enough sources to back up a claim, then, when you give an abundance, it's too much. Ah! Some people are never satisfied. Oh well, other's are.
As for this post triggering something. Yes. Maybe, it's my own life experiences, and those share experiences with other's I have interloped with. Maybe, it was the lies which got me Committed to the Hopkinsville KY Western State Hospital for the Mentally Insane. I saw first hand how these systems were used in the Mental Hospitals, to not only get you in there, but, to try and keep you there as well. And having served time in the STL, Mo. Jail, as well as, the Fort Madison Iowa Max. Security Prison system, and in the US Naval Special Forces Intelligence Community, and a host of other reasons, I can see where this thread is coming from and where it's going.
The abundance of information was so that those who seriously come to these threads can be informed. And, I respond to civility, so, those who ask genuine questions, I answer, and those who are just being obtrusive, I respond to for entertainment only. And for those that appeared so lost as to debate whether Rumpeltstilskin were actually in a physical confinement or one of his own conception could better understand that, his current condition has no bearing on the implicated scenario. As for quelling any riots, I understand the implications of that as well, both real and metaphorical.
For those who are just annoyed or irritated with my posts, I hear that the Ignore button works well. That or just use the scroll to leek past them, it work's well, too. Even on my old 56k dialup.
To bad, I'm not in another State, I have better comp's elsewhere. But, we make due with what we have.

BTW: The best solution to overcome the adverserial affects of any type of enginnering system is to, quite simply, reverse- engineer it and turn it back on the source.

The dance floor is yours, LOL. Unless, I get "triggered" again. Like now.
But, then aren't "triggers" part and parcel to what's being discussed here. Hmmm. I should be more mindful of mine. See, this thread has been a great resource for me already. I now know one of my own psychological triggers and can better overcome it. That's therapeautical, thanks!

[edit on 26-1-2009 by PhyberDragon]

Reading between the lines, this is how I've interpreted this post.

The author maybe be metaphorically explaining how everyone in this world is in prison. With so much propaganda, subliminal advertising, artificial wars being engineered (e.g. 9/11), we are being brainwashed. Constant television, false information, bent truth, pharmacy providing incorrect drugs for their profit, we live in a world where our lives are controlled. Sometimes we ignore the problems of this world and live on, like everybody else does, like our "inmates". If we voice our opinion humbly in all honesty, we are singled out because no one agrees, and in the environment we are surrounded in we tend to just do what everyone else does.

Are we free at all? "Unfortunately, it really do requires numbers". People need to wake up.

Haha, maybe I'm just thinking too hard. Enough movies for me tonight. Got to watch some T.V. need reassurance.

Here's an interesting application of Rumpeltstiltskin by Behavior Modifiers such as Psychiatrists and Psychotherapists to acknowledge that they can't actually name their hokey Mental Disorders which they try to impose and label people with, so, using Rumpeltstiltskin to justify their fishing expeditions on factions/ and cultures within society to label them Mentally Disordered without actually being able to have to justify why such claim is legitimate:
From: www.jsri.msu.edu...

Origins of Mental Illness

According to Western culture, the origin of mental illness can be attributed to two main sources, psychological/psychiatric trauma, and organic causes that lead to the manifestation of a disease, for example, the dopamine theory to schizophrenia or the serotonin theories of depression. Within the Mexican culture, however, there ar a multitude of causes for psychopathology and its related behavior. Torrey (1972) describes three etiological pathways:

1. Psychopathology that is influenced by natural causes. For example the curandero disorder empacho is usually caused by some food that has not digested properly.

2. Psychopathology that has been influenced by emotional causes. For example susto, which is often caused by a severe fright, or Envidia, which may be caused by a severe desire or jealousy.

3. Psychopathology that might be influenced by supernatural causes. For example those influenced by God as punishment for a particular behavior.

In attempting to explore the differences in curanderismo and psychiatry, one can begin with E.F. Torrey's A Shared Worldview The Principle of Rumpelstiltskin. In this important book, Torrey uses the story of Rumpelstiltskin to illustrate an important cultural assumption - that the therapist knows the right name to assign a disorder. But, according to Torrey, in order to know the proper name the therapist must share some of the patient's worldview concerning the disorder itself.

Torrey characterizes a shared worldview as a demonstrated awareness and an appreciation for the diversity of cultures, specifically the concept of a shared worldview between the therapist and patient. This concept implies that therapists will examine their own cultural perspective, and also familiarize with the cultures of patients.

Torrey recommends that therapists be flexible in their therapeutic approaches in order to develop a set of techniques that is consonant with the cultural belief system of their patients. Other cultures have alternative equivalents to psychotherapy, and although the means may differ, the fundamental ends of helping the patient feel better, remains the same.

Basic Clinical and Research Questions | Language and Acculturation | La Familia (The Family) | Origins of Mental Illness | El Curandero (The Healer) | Case Example: Esperanza | Case Example: Lorenzo | Cultural Stepping Stones and the DSM | Assessment Model | Summary and Conclusion | References

This enforces the concept that they don't want to be associated as agents of the institution so as to avoid an adversarial system with the target, I mean, patient. Just as undercover agents the world over pretend to be one of the group, doing the same activities they later convict those in the group they infiltrated for.
Psychology is a mother....

*** My initials are DSM and I'm the 4th member of my family to serve in a major conflict. That makes me DSM- IV, just like the Mental Disorder Manual DSM- IV, used to label people with Mental Disorders, what an eery coincidence. And they used it on me, too. Ironic.

[edit on 27-1-2009 by PhyberDragon]

I would like to start this post where Phyberdragon left off (in the post previous to his last), but only to include myself, as he did, in the number of people who must have learned something from this thread about their own “psychological triggers”. Probably the main trigger problem I now see more clearly in myself is that my working understanding of hatred is very weak. Both the hatred I feel and that which is often directed back toward me (...even here at ATS, which is the last place on earth I expected to be treated the same way as everywhere else.)

There is any early reply on the first page of this thread from a member who, after reading my opening post, apparently felt strongly moved to reply, but only to tell me how much she hated me. That hurt, but at least she softened the blow by rationalizing her hatred of me in terms of the conflict it would present to her desire to love the “powers that be”. As I read that particular reply, I could almost hear the sound of a marching band playing her favorite patriotic tune in the background. I don't think I could ever get through to someone like this person as long as my lone voice cannot be heard above the drums and cymbal crashes of her marching band. Same with the guy who expressed his desire to apply a golf club to my skull.

No wonder I prefer solitary confinement in this low-budget illusion of a free world.

Then there were those respondents who, instead of addressing any of the more important issues I tried to raise, seemed to prefer to share their speculation that the idea for my original post was plagiarized from books I've never heard of, let alone read before, famous though they may be. But I think the funniest question raised about my personal credibility (instead of the issues I tried to raise here) came from someone on page 8. This person clearly did not understand the original post but thought that a reply from someone who did would give me a brilliant idea that I would then seek to take credit for. Amazing!

But there is that word again. Did you see it?

“credit”

If credit is not one of the devil's many names, then perhaps it was intended as a gift that became corrupted, just like so many other possessions in our care.

This thread generated 156 responses, 43 flags, and was followed up by dozens of U2U messages sent out to thank members who said the slightest helpful thing to advance a dialogue or just replied to express appreciation for the thought. Included in my U2U was an invitation to anyone who wanted to share ideas and/or begin attempting to work on a solution together. I regret to report that favorable responses to my U2U were so small in number that it would not make sense to use ATS as a place to interact with so few people.

I would stay to entertain the lurkers, but I did not come here looking for a writing gig that pays in applause points. However, I would like to keep my ATS membership because there are many things a curious person can learn around here.

It might interest some of you to know that while the prison yard here at ATS turned out to be a dangerous place for the person behind the user-name of Rumpelstiltskin, I encountered no resistance whatsoever from ATS moderators (except for a civility warning) as I attempted to say what I honestly believe here. I must say, no other forum I have ever entered has allowed me as much freedom to speak as ATS, so I've really gotta give them credit... even if it is true, as it has been suggested to me, that certain interested parties outside of ATS will use what they can glean from my thoughts to improve the marketing of their lies.

(continued in next post...)

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One good thing to come of this experience, though, besides the very few people I met here who seem sincerely interested in some of the same issues as me, is an idea that all this seems to inspire for a new version of the Rumpelstiltskin story. I would have this version read exactly the same as the Grimm version, except that in mine everyone learns the name of Rumpelstiltskin at the end, but is just too afraid to say it! Not that I blame anyone who shrinks from dealing with an important issue out of fear. I have no problem understanding fear. That is why I am here and not standing out in the street with a megaphone. Fear I understand well. It's all the other reasons given for shrinking from these issues that seem like total b.s. to me.

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You want out? Well here is a start for you... It starts by being honest with yourself.. And then honest with others..


I hope this video will help shed some light on your issue.