Hudson River Plane Crash Suspicious

I fail to see any benefactors of a conspiracy. What was gained by it? Who benefits? As far as I can see, nobody. The best that could be said is that it was a diversion, but even that doesn't hold water there aren't any hints of something which was diverted.

They haven't found the left engine yet because they have only been able to search for it about one day out of the last four or five. They can't have the side scan sonar in the water with ice, and the river has had a lot of ice on it since Friday night. Ice can damage the sonar. Divers can only stay in the water a few minutes before they'd freeze, which is why they had to raise the plane to get the recorders out.

As for the birds, they have them on a primary radar screen, as well as both pilots on the CVR talking about the birds flying above and ahead of them.

A UFO ripped it off and ate it!

Ko3

Originally posted by kid_of_3NKi
A UFO ripped it off and ate it!

Ko3

I demand that you name your sources!

Being an old conspiracy nutter I might have bought into this if the plane had smashed to pieces and everyone on board died and bodies floated down the Hudson river for hours on end.

That didn't happen though. It was a happy ending with everyone surviving, people dancing with joy and proclaiming heroes.

If this was a conspiracy it was the lousiest conspiracy I've ever seen. If they conspired to make everyone believe in miracles and be happy, then I guess they succeeded.

As for the engines, they were there at take off, they were there when the plane hit the water, so.....are you suggesting they sent some divers down to secretly sneak away the massively heavy monster?

I see no conspiracy here, unless like I said, someone conspired to make people believe in miracles.

I am quite sure that there are many way's to find things on a river bottom, even under the ice if needed.

Some examples:

1989 — The Russian Academy of Sciences use the two Mir research subs—launched from their mother ship the Akademik Keldysh—to recover geological samples from King’s Trough, a 5,000-meter deep canyon in the Atlantic Ocean north of the Azores.

1988 — The Canadian Navy uses the Pisces sub to survey the wreck of HMS Breadalbane under the ice of the Northwest Passage.

1987 — France’s Institute of Marine Research (IFREMER) uses the research sub Nautile—launched from the mother ship Nadir—to make 32 dives to the Titanic, recover 1800 artifacts and produce a television special. (See Dr. MacInnis’ book Titanic Dreams)

www.drjoemacinnis.com...

I just has a thought-What if the plane had on board some kind of airborne virus that is triggered by contact with water.

Just imagine, it's a miricle landing, they can't find the engines, and there is more and more talk of some plague a ravish our world and kill millions. Well, it landed in the hudson river which is too close to New York and tons of people travel back and forth between New Jersey and New York. New York would be a prime location because it is a populated city with subways and one of the biggest airports in the U.S.

IT wouldn't suprise me if people started getting sick in that area in a couple weeks

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And all three of those examples were talking about seriously deep water. The Hudson is something like 50 feet deep. That's too shallow to operate a mini sub in, and an ROV would suffer the same problems as the side scan sonar.

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One of the engines was still attached when they raised the plane. They're only missing one of them. And there is no virus I've heard of that could withstand the extremely high temps of an engine, or that could be stored somewhere in the engine without someone noticing at some point. And even if they did, the odds of the plane pulling off a ditching successfully are very very slim. Prior to this the most successful ditching was in 1968 when a Japan Airlines DC-10 ditched in San Fransisco harbor with 105 people onboard, and all survived. Almost every other ditching resulted in the plane being destroyed. In a scenario like that, the odds are that your virus would be destroyed too.

also,,passengers talked off smoke in the cabin area,,or at least the guy interviewed on cnn live right after it did
he said,,,i believe,,, he had trouble seeing because of smoke

also,,,this is scary stuff,,,,with cutting costs and outsourcing of airplane repair

[edit on 20-1-2009 by shortywarn]

Originally posted by Zaphod58
They haven't found the left engine yet because they have only been able to search for it about one day out of the last four or five. They can't have the side scan sonar in the water with ice, and the river has had a lot of ice on it since Friday night. Ice can damage the sonar. Divers can only stay in the water a few minutes before they'd freeze, which is why they had to raise the plane to get the recorders out.

As for the birds, they have them on a primary radar screen, as well as both pilots on the CVR talking about the birds flying above and ahead of them.

That's funny. "They" have them on radar screen and "they" were talking about birds. Let me ask you this sir, did YOU personally see those radar screens, did you hear the recordings also.....? Oh wait..hrmmph you haven't? Then how do you know "they" did any such thing? I guess you don't - thus the conspiracy.

Apparently the same plane had an engine problem 2 days before the crash....and no birds were involved in the prior incident.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

here's a new article from today. it proves how the very same plane had a bad engine problem just two days prior to the alleged "double bird strike" that caused the engine to conveniently go missing.

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From CNN, just now: "Divers locate engine from US Airways plane that went down last week in New York's Hudson River, police say."

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First off, your "conveniently missing engine" has been found. Secondly, do you bother to read these articles? The RIGHT engine is the one that had the compressor stall. The RIGHT engine is still attached to the plane.

According to the report, the pilot later explained that the problem involved a stalled compressor, resulting in insufficient air intake to the right engine. However, he said the flight could continue.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

So explain that to me please. How does that fit into your conspiracy? Are they threatening the crew to make them say birds?

Even if the plane had a compressor stall, that doesn't mean that it caused what happened. A compressor stall can happen and not damage the engine. All they would have to do is borescope the engine and look for damage. If none is found then they can keep flying the engine with no problems.

Ok, please tell me this is a prank posting? If not, i'm going to start worrying about some of you. Their is no cover up or secret agenda. It was simply a freak accident. Nothing more. Birds getting sucked into engines is nothing new.You don't always have to live as if everything is a conspiracy lol.

[edit on 21-1-2009 by Merkel]

there is a post on airliners.net in one of the many threads on this crash, where a person with a friend in NYC posted pictures of the bird remains in their yard. The pictures show mangled birds meat and feathers all over the backyard on things like bbq's and stuff.

Why do people thing everything that happens is a conspiracy?

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Sullenberger was sequestered somewhere for days and not allowed to speak to friends or family and had to be "debriefed" for some reason.

This is confirm in this Bloomberg article. (pilot being sequestered, not debriefed)

I asked my friend who is a pilot, and he says this is SOP. When an accident happens the pilot and co-pilot are sequestered until the blackbox recording confirms their story.


[edit on 22/1/09 by ConspiracyNut23]

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i too thought it odd that the pilot and crew had to be whisked away and debriefed which made me think - were they actually supposed to survive?

what are the chances of that plane coming down without a runway in a built up area and there being any survivors?

on the dawn of a new president? are terrorists now disguised as birds should they fail?

consider if it hadn't landed safely (i'm pleased it did) the media would have gone mad, plane down in city, hundreds dead, those damn terrorists, we need action, whats the new president to do, who needs bombing,
what goat herder with a beat up pickup truck, a rusty kalashnikov, and a passion for old testement living, needs to have his country invaded by the most expensive, sophisticated, technologically advanced war machine the planet has ever seen - well he's a threat to american freedom yeah?
"it is with great sadness i take office and immediately start a war"

i am truly thankful to god that the plane landed safely, but as a foreigner (white mid class british born) i cant help wonder at the dear old yanks.
our news portrayed - heroic plane landing, man on riverside with phone given medal? man who parks ferrys daily given medal for parking next to jet. fireman who holds ladders for living given medal for - you guessed it holding ladder.
pilot and crew taken away, out of site, incommunicado, no photos, no statements, no family visits, no lawers, to be debriefed for days on end - our news hasn't shown them yet - are they still alive, if so produce one.

Aviation (CIA) Debriefing - birds always appear as long thin things travelling at 500mph with smoke coming out their arse - or we shoot your family right!!! how dare you land that f#cking plane-we had a country lined up to invade! you've just scuppered months of planning. we were gonna make billions out of rebuilding the country we were about to bomb as a response, that was our exit plan for the credit crunch, how dare you land that bloddy plane with survivors that can talk.

to any yanks out there, no personal offence but, this is simply how your country appears to run based on the media it gives out. this is how your friendly nations see you, god only knows how your enemies see you.

one does sincerely hope that this really was just a bird strike followed by a lucky landing.........................though kidnapping pilot and crew does make you wonder?

The pilot of said plane attended the inauguration, media caught up w/ him to ask him questions about the crash. His only comment was that he had been told NOT to comment.

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It was rather convenient that they plane was left semi-submerged for a few days. About just enough time for a team of specialists divers to remove and attach an engine or remove any piece of evidence that they do not want found so the real reason for the crash will never be known.