Why is Afghanistan important to the West? The Roshaniya and the Masons.

The Roshaniya are an Afghan secret society whose importance is barely recognised.

"Roshan" means "light" in Dari and Pashto, the national Afghan languages. In Latin, "lux lucis" is light, forming a direct linguistic connection to Lucifer.

In 1907, Habibullah Khan, Amir of Afghanistan, was inducted into Masonry in Calcutta by the highest-ranking Freemasons in British India. In true Roshaniya tradition, he took the first three ordinary degrees all at once.

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Afghanistan, a dustbowl of dirt-tracks and caves, therefore had importance to British Masonry far beyond its role as a trade route. The Amir knew this and so did his illustrious sponsors. This is why it remains important to this day.

The Second World War can be viewed as a fight between secret societies: the Thule Society (the Nazis) and the Freemasons. Similarly, the present wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are much richer in symbolism than is commonly recognised.

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Interesting....

So what do you think is Afghanistan's importance apart from the Caspian pipeline...

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If East Africa is the cradle of humanity, Afghanistan is the cradle of the secret societies.

Does anyone have a right answer to this?

Taking a shot in the dark here, I would probably say because

a) It is close to the Holy Land

b) Easy to establish a powerful secretive organization with the corruption Aghan governments have been known to have, so they can easily stay under wraps and get 'officials' to do their bidding

c) It isnt just a dustbowl. They have black gold there and, as you point out, it is right in the Middle of the Middle east so it is potentially important for trade

That's what i can think of

Could it possibly be the poppy plant? That was the first thing I thought of when I read the OP. Opium has been used by the powerful and elite for centuries as a soft genocide. And it is a hell of a fundraiser considering the small amount the poppy growers are paid.

Just throwing that one out there.

Afghanistan is strategically important because it's the only way to get to the vast reserves of oil and gas in energy-rich, undeveloped nations like Turkmenistan without having to go through China or Iran.

While it may not be incredibly resource-rich itself (besides opium, which I understand is back with a vengeance after US growing subsidies) it is the gateway to vast untapped petroleum reserves.

There is the whole Taliban thing, too, but seriously?

Agreeing with you all so far: Geo-strategy, oil and drugs.
Anything I've missed?
I'm going to do more investigation on Afghan secret societies.
No one has ever been able to conquer Afghanistan yet. Alexander the great, the British during the great game, the Russians, the Merikans.

Webster Tarpley said it had more surface area than China if you flattened out all those mountains.

I'd like to keep this thread alive and go deeper.

Thank you all for your contributions and positive response.
Research the figures involved and you will learn more.

These links will help you to form a broad view of the subject:

The Illuminati Outline of History

see "Keepers of the Flame" section

The story of the Roshaniya is growing:

clip of Golden Veil, a movie due this year

Article with more information

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"Roshan" means "light" in Dari and Pashto, the national Afghan languages. In Latin, "lux lucis" is light, forming a direct linguistic connection to Lucifer.

So by your reasoning let's say Latin "Lux Lucis" is a linguistic connection to lucifer(also to lucille or lucien but anyways)...How does that link this lucifer to the Roshaniya?By the word light?But then any other word that means light also means lucifer.

I hope you understand too that,by Lucifer being the light or bringer of light the ancient Greeks actually meant Venus.

Two major reasons.

1: Oil
One of the most famous quotes from the Afghan war is the threat made by US officials to the Taliban during the oil pipeline negotiations Either you accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs." (Cited in article hyperlinked below and numerous other internet sources.)

2: Heroin.
I travelled throughout Afghanistan in the days when hashish dealing hippies were welcomed with open arms and the people were welcoming and full of love, but with the billions to be made in the heroin business, Afghanistan became a completely different country. The Taliban considered Heroin /opium 'Haram (forbidden)' and rightfully considered the heroin traders to be a scourge. This was a fatal mistake from the perspective of the Anglo-American Christian narco-terrorists who generate much of their multi billion dollar black budget from narco-trafficking; without which their money laundering banks such as 'HSBC, Citibank, etc (two of the most notorious) would be in even bigger trouble.

The 'liberation' of Afghanistan involved expelling the Taliban (and bribing some Taliban leaders into surrender) and replacing them with the drugs dealers the Taliban overthrew.

Currently Afghanistan produces an estimated 90% of Europe's heroin supply.

Ad hoc solidarity. 'Give, me two, three, many Vietnams'

It should come as no surprise that the brother of Afghan President Hamid Karza is widely thought to be the country's biggest drugs dealer.

When the CIA created Al Queda and the Afghan resistance were fighting the Soviets, Ronald Reagan called them Freedom fighters; it was only when they resisted US oil deals and started destroying opium crops that they became terrorists. Similarly today, as long as the Afghan 'freedom fighters' are carrying out guerrilla war against the Anglo-American Christian narco-terrorists, they deserve the support of enemies of the Anglo-American Christians. A UK general recently stated that the Afghan war is 'unwinnable' and will continue endlessly.

Guerrilla war with conventional and non-conventional (nuclear) weapons which brings the war to the colonies and homelands of the Anglo-American state terrorists is the 'only' way forward.

www.marxists.org...
'Che Guevara; the strategy of guerrilla warfare'

Love and Light

Lux
Fire, plague and poisoned waters.

In the Jurist ("The Deadly Pipeline War," Dec. 8, 2001),Marjorie Cohn noted that some analysts have estimated the potential value of Caspian oil and natural gas reserves at four trillion dollars. Phil Gasper recalled in the Socialist Worker ("The Politics of Oil," Jan. 25, 2002) that the Middle East Economic Digest editors have described Central Asia as "the Middle East of the twenty-first century."

Even if this latter projection proves overly optimistic, Martha Hamilton concluded in a Washington Post article ("The Last Great RaceFor Oil Reserves," April 26, 1998) that the "largely untapped subterranean treasure" in the Caspian Basin may be "the third-largest reserve in the world, after the Persian Gulf and Siberia."

www.stockhouse.com...

Currently Afghanistan produces an estimated 90% of Europe's heroin supply.

My apologies, that should read

Currently Afghanistan produces an estimated 90% of the world's heroin supply.

LL

Lux

All interesting stuff Lux, although a bit later than the stuff I talk about.
Good to have your contribution even so.

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COULD IT BE THE GAS INSTALLATION SET UP?
OR THE CONTROL OF THE OPIUM PRODUCTION AGAIN, AS I DO BELIEVE THE TALIBAN SHUT THINGS DOWN OUT THERE OR WAS IT THAT THE FARMERS WHO ESTABLISH WERE BEING FAIRLY TREATED WHEN IT WAS BEING HARVESTED......
LETS FACE IT I WONDER WHAT IT PAYS FOR IN RELATING THAT REMARK TO THE U.S.....as your brought up to understand whilst being a youngster...."money and fair words"...........

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'Che Guevara; the strategy of guerrilla warfare'

now now........

hardly guerrilla warfare is it...monlighting from mexico to the bay of pigs with castro onbord "grama"....oh then finally over throwing Batista along the way.....
I WOULD CALLED HIROSHIMA GUERRILLA WARFARE AT THE END OF THE DAY.........

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Originally posted by Portugoal
Does anyone have a right answer to this?

Taking a shot in the dark here, I would probably say because

a) It is close to the Holy Land

Which one?
Ises Ra El?
Or Bablyon of Sumer?

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What I find interesting is that area has been throughout history a very important location in human history.

It lays between two of the arguably oldest areas of human civilizations the Indus valley and the fertile crescent of Sumeria.
There just might be something to it.

I guess i need to study up some more but none of these reasons sound compelling enough that we should have our troops over there dieing and spending billions of dollars to some how ... control .. the destiny of a land of hoodlums who obviously are not even organized enough to conquer. I mean a brutal country like russia would have done it if it was possible. Let it go. Forget about the oil and we all know we will not be able to control the the drug market.

terrorist?? give me a break.. we will never control them by trying to control governments or other countries. These guys are laughing at us. I see a group of AL queda drinkin beers and smokin dope in a cave laughing at the US cause we're spending billions of dollars trying to catch/stop a handful of petty criminals.

Intereseting coincidence - there's a movie about the Roshaniya currently in production, called Golden Veil.

Also the Skull & Bones - see the clips here:

Golden Veil - the movie