National We The People Congress to be held in Philadelphia, PA in February, 2009

A National Congress comprised of three delegates from each of the states will convene in Philadelphia, PA in February 2009. This seems to be very well organized, I hope it succeeds. I, for one, will be monitoring via webcam. The delegates will have a proven passion for the Constitution as authors, scholars, or activists. They will be “of established respectable character if not “pillars of the community”. For the list of additional requirements to BE a delegate as well as other information, GO HERE.

The Delegates must understand that the Delegation’s primary objective will be settling on a course of action to cure the problems we have with our rogue Government. That course of action may well be a written demand of the Government that they respond to each of the several Petitions for Redress of violations of the Constitution, or they (the Delegates), along with hundreds of thousands if not millions of their fellow countrymen back home (who by then will have committed to stand in support of the agreed upon course of action), will withdraw their allegiance and support from the federal Government until their Grievances are Redressed.

When a long train of abuses, usurpations and refusals to respond to Petitions for Redress of violations of the Constitution evinces a conspiracy to transition our Constitutional Republic to a pure democracy, or to otherwise strip us of our Liberties and reduce us to serfdom under absolute despotism, it is the right of the People to alter the Government, pro-actively, non-violently and with critical mass.

Since 1995, we have repeatedly and respectfully Petitioned the Government for Redress of these violations of the Constitution. Our Petitions for Redress have been answered only by a conspiracy of silence and repeated injuries. The Government has refused to justify its behavior or be held accountable.

We have established an overwhelming and irrefutable historic record of numerous, continuing violations by the Government and its steadfast refusal to justify its behavior or be held accountable in any way. For instance:

In light of the war powers clauses of the Constitution we have an individual Right to a government that does not apply the armed forces of the United States in hostilities overseas without a declaration of war; the invasion of Iraq was unconstitutional.

In light of the money clauses of the constitution the Federal Reserve System is unconstitutional.

We, the people have not authorized the government to give or lend public money or credit to private corporations for definitively private purposes. The Treasury and Fed bailouts are unconstitutional.

We, the people have not authorized the government to create a North American union that would, for all intents and purposes, erase our northern and southern borders. The development of a North American Union is unconstitutional.

In light of the privacy clauses of the constitution, the USA PATRIOT ACT is unconstitutional, and the developing police state is unconstitutional.

In light of the tax clauses of the constitution, the direct, un-apportioned tax on labor is unconstitutional.

In light of the Second Amendment, federal gun control laws are unconstitutional.

In light of the Second Amendment, the absence of well-regulated state militias is unconstitutional.

In light of the “faithfully execute” clause of the Constitution, the President’s failure to faithfully execute the immigration and naturalization laws is unconstitutional.

In light of the “natural born citizen” clause of the Constitution, it is unconstitutional for Mr. Obama to assume the office of President of the United States, no matter the number of people who voted for him.

In light of the spirit and intent of the Constitution, it is unconstitutional for the Government to conduct elections that do not rely on paper ballots that are hand-marked and hand-counted with results announced and posted at each polling place.

In light of the First Amendment, Government officials are obligated to respond to the People’s Petitions for Redress of Grievances/violations of the Constitution.

The purpose of the Congress is to assemble representatives of the People of every state to discuss and debate not only the litany of violations the Constitution now being endured by the People, but to develop and commit to a practicable course of action to set straight our errant public servants, restore the Rule of Law and reclaim the Blessings of Liberty once more for our Republic and our children.

[edit on 19/1/2009 by Iamonlyhuman]

I'm very interested in your thoughts on if this will succeed and the reasons for your thoughts.

It can only be a good thing if more people are participating and getting involved in holding our government accountable. I worry that activists from all sides will mess it up by stubbornly refusing to work constructively with each other. The past eight years (really the past 235 years or so) have shown us that certain elements are broken, so let's fix them if we haven't already.

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we've been pushed down and pushed to our limits for far too long...as an american we all should hold the true values this country was founded on...freedom and democracy...we haven't had those in quite some time...

Change is coming, it aint obama, its the people waking up after losing their jobs, homes, and money.

Frankly, its been a long time coming and theres a storm brewing.
Theres a fire in this countrys heart now...no government can stand in between. This country was never meant to be what it is today...we've lost our way...its time to get back to the truths we used to hold self evident...

thank the generation of kids/teens/young adults today...they are the hippies/rebels just like the 60's. We won't stand for it. Its a new world we live in and frankly, its about to change dramatically, like it or not.

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I'm not inclined to take this outfit you mentioned seriously because they have failed to realize that McCain and not Obama was the candidate who wasn't a Natural Born Citizen . I cant speak for Americans but IMO it is likely that apart from what I have already said that many Americans would reject what is on offer on the basis of practical reality . Take the concept of metal backed currency for example despite what those who are drinking the Ron Paul cool aid will tell you a metal backed currency would be extremely inflationary .

A metal backed currency would be inflationary because of the cost of mining or importing the metals as well as producing new currency .

Well, lets hope we some some real action this time instead of more protests. IMO this really could be the first step to another civil war, and I think its a long time overdue.

stikkinikki,
I agree and at least they're trying to organize US. It will in the end take an organized effort like this if anything is to change.

[edit on 20/1/2009 by Iamonlyhuman]

Originally posted by xpert11
reply to post by Iamonlyhuman

 

I'm not inclined to take this outfit you mentioned seriously because they have failed to realize that McCain and not Obama was the candidate who wasn't a Natural Born Citizen . I cant speak for Americans but IMO it is likely that apart from what I have already said that many Americans would reject what is on offer on the basis of practical reality . Take the concept of metal backed currency for example despite what those who are drinking the Ron Paul cool aid will tell you a metal backed currency would be extremely inflationary .

A metal backed currency would be inflationary because of the cost of mining or importing the metals as well as producing new currency .

I think you're missing the point here. They haven't decided anything yet. The purpose is to get the government to answer US. The fact that the government responds in silence to questions from citizens. Sounds like with your opinions on these issues you might be a good candidate for a delegate.

Ive been watching this organization for a few years. This is what so many on ATS have been looking for, an organized non violent movement for accountability in the government.

If you look at the facts they have brought to the plate and their petitions that have not been answered, you will see that even though we may not all agree on every detail, they simply want what our POTUS has promised, transparency and accountability in the gov.

The organization of a national congress that they are doing has got to be the most fundamentally solid attempt to bring change for the people. They have brought many landmark cases to the US court system and not one had any sort of real MSM publicity. They have as well asked for answers by petition that have been ignored time and again.

If you dont like where we are headed and think the government is not responding to the people as it should, do what you can to be involved with this groups efforts.

Originally posted by budro
Ive been watching this organization for a few years. This is what so many on ATS have been looking for, an organized non violent movement for accountability in the government.

If you look at the facts they have brought to the plate and their petitions that have not been answered, you will see that even though we may not all agree on every detail, they simply want what our POTUS has promised, transparency and accountability in the gov.

The organization of a national congress that they are doing has got to be the most fundamentally solid attempt to bring change for the people. They have brought many landmark cases to the US court system and not one had any sort of real MSM publicity. They have as well asked for answers by petition that have been ignored time and again.

If you dont like where we are headed and think the government is not responding to the people as it should, do what you can to be involved with this groups efforts.

I agree Budro thus the reason for posting it here. Please flag this thread so it might get to more attention and thus more people seeing it.

I also flagged it, as this topic should be given more attention. A venue for discussing improvement in overall government ( as opposed to 'change', which is a completely arbitrary term) should be welcomed by the people of this nation.

"Yes we can" may be a nicely crafted soundbite but more than pop-cultural rhetoric is needed at this time.

I joined. I am going to sign up to be the county cordinator as well.
I get so sick of all this, it's just time to S**t or get off the pot.
I guess you can look at my sig and see that I cannot follow or get out of the way anymore.

If nothing else, if you feel you are an american that cares at all. Sign up and give to the cause. You can try it for a month for .01cent.
You can always pull out if it does not suit you.

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This is all ridiculous. These people honestly believe we still live in the year 1776. The majority of their qualms are very frivolous. This only proves that times have changed for the better, and all that they are petitioning would only affect the American public and its citizenry for the worse. Of all of those things, if successfully petitioned and aligned to the ideals of the past, what would they accomplish but the fanciful revelry of former glory. Not to pick on all the Constitutionalists out there, but the number one item on that list is entirely and historically irrelevant. It's borderline delusional. It's one thing to hold the values of our forebears in pristine condition, but it's another to cling onto an old and increasingly abstracted document, the majority of its provisions having been invented for purposes totally incongruous with those of the Founding Fathers' and American history. On the contrary, the first item, which must be eliminated from the Constitution is the clause which prohibits those born in other countries to hold the office of President.

As it is my right, I call for the assembly of an anti-anti-Constitutionalists party! This is absurd.

[edit on 20-1-2009 by cognoscente]

Lol at the post above



I'm assuming you're and english major and you want to let all of us know
how many cool, big words you know?


You know, by using most of those Big words, some people may not be able to understand you, therby REDUCING the amount of people your message gets to.


Don't show off, it makes you look like a pompus douchebag.

I can get behind most of their issues, but are y'all still on the Obama birth certificate thing? Really? That is the dumbest issue EVER. That in and of itself makes them seem like a stupid and ridiculous body. Good luck with that.

i think i just got an email fromm my ron paul meetup,,,we're having a meeting to go over this and i think getting involved with it

i'm 45 minutes from philly,,, definitely would like to see this go down


is there goeorge bush meetup????if so,,which i doubt,,,,,they're having meetings today at the local pub
a bad day for them,,, a great day for everyone else,,, and all real conservatives

we can stop being associated with this scumbag of a REPUBLICAN

Originally posted by WSPfan
I can get behind most of their issues, but are y'all still on the Obama birth certificate thing? Really? That is the dumbest issue EVER. That in and of itself makes them seem like a stupid and ridiculous body. Good luck with that.

You're missing the point here. They haven't decided anything yet. The purpose is to get the government to answer US. The fact that the government responds in silence to questions from citizens.


Remember to flag this thread so we can get more attention drawn to it.

[edit on 20/1/2009 by Iamonlyhuman]

Originally posted by xpert11
reply to post by Iamonlyhuman

 

I'm not inclined to take this outfit you mentioned seriously because they have failed to realize that McCain and not Obama was the candidate who wasn't a Natural Born Citizen . I cant speak for Americans but IMO it is likely that apart from what I have already said that many Americans would reject what is on offer on the basis of practical reality . Take the concept of metal backed currency for example despite what those who are drinking the Ron Paul cool aid will tell you a metal backed currency would be extremely inflationary .

A metal backed currency would be inflationary because of the cost of mining or importing the metals as well as producing new currency .

'Scuse me, but didn't McCain LOSE the election? So how is his citizenship status, whatever it may be, relevant to the unconstitutional swearing in of a foreign national to the POTUS position? We're dealing here with what IS, not "what ifs". IF a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his fanny on the ground. Can't try to cloud the issue by injecting irrelevant arguments.

Furthermore, inflation is caused by printing up money with NO backing. Money that is backed by ANYTHING of value, by definition cannot be inflated.

nenothtu out

If enough people get toghther, I believe anything can happen. But it needs to be done quickly, before the PTB can cut the legs from under this movement.

I don't think it'll get anywhere, but I so want to be wrong on this.

Good luck, America.

Originally posted by cognoscente
reply to post by Iamonlyhuman

 

This is all ridiculous. These people honestly believe we still live in the year 1776. The majority of their qualms are very frivolous. This only proves that times have changed for the better, and all that they are petitioning would only affect the American public and its citizenry for the worse. Of all of those things, if successfully petitioned and aligned to the ideals of the past, what would they accomplish but the fanciful revelry of former glory. Not to pick on all the Constitutionalists out there, but the number one item on that list is entirely and historically irrelevant. It's borderline delusional. It's one thing to hold the values of our forebears in pristine condition, but it's another to cling onto an old and increasingly abstracted document, the majority of its provisions having been invented for purposes totally incongruous with those of the Founding Fathers' and American history. On the contrary, the first item, which must be eliminated from the Constitution is the clause which prohibits those born in other countries to hold the office of President.

As it is my right, I call for the assembly of an anti-anti-Constitutionalists party! This is absurd.

[edit on 20-1-2009 by cognoscente]

The point is not whether the qualms are "frivolous", it is whether the rule of law means anything. Like it or not, the Constitution is still the law of the land. If you don't like it, call your convention and agitate for abolition of the constitution, don't just ignore it.

Evidently, in your mind it's "irrelevant" that someone is taking an OATH to uphold and defend an "old document" in such a manner that most likely VIOLATES the same "old document" that he is swearing to defend. Anyone else see the incongruity here? Is this some sort of "situational ethics"?

Since it's OK for you to ignore laws that you just don't like, would it be alright with you if I do the same? I can think of several laws right off hand that I happen not to agree with, and would be happy to ignore. That's fair, isn't it?

Is Obama's obfuscation of the birth certificate issue a fair example of the "transparency" he pledged to bring to his government, or is it an example of the "change" he promised? It would be a simple matter to lay the issue to rest if the documents exist. Since he has not, I must assume that they do not.

Finally, I appreciated the humor of your use of the phrase "cling to" as in "old outdated document", "guns", and "God". Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

nenothtu out