Do we live in a Simulated Reality?

Originally posted by harrytuttle
The words "reality" and "universe" are both very difficult to define.

Well, you got me thinking. How do I define "reality" and "universe" in the context of this post.

I guess I use universe when referring to all-that-is and "our reality" to our everyday life here on earth.

I shouldnt use the word "reality" without adding "my" or "our" here, because its that very word that is under scrutiny and debate here.

Originally posted by harrytuttle

That being said, there are in fact people with mental illnesses. We can use various methods to record a schizophrenic alone in a room having conversations with people who are simply not there

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Who says they are not there? Are they "not there" because mentally "healthy" people don't see them? You see, that is the conuundrum...

As far as mental illness is concerned, in my honest opinion, it is a money making racket. In 1950, there were only 50 diagnosable "mental illnesses" in the DSM... Now there are over 250.... Hmmmmmm, something stinks.

I came across with this amazing interview (it covers many topics, but manipulative "reality" system of mind also included):

The human family has been bound up over thousands of generations and each time returning to our home planet Earth for the sake of upgrading the previous generation’s dominion, creature comforts, lifestyle, and technology, while the emotional maturity remains burrowed in the substrate of rape, abuse, enslavement, war, dishonesty, greed, government fraud, and a hundred other vices of weak and disillusioned humans programmed to see only the out-picturing of the human mind and its systems of limitation. The human family is building a pyramid of manifested life across thousands of generations and each new generation builds another layer – an upgrade of technology and lifestyle. We are nearing the apex of this pyramid where there is nothing left to add. The pyramid is completed and we – each of us – must look at the pyramid we have constructed and ask ourselves how it exemplifies our transcendence, our true Self. The pyramid of humanity is manifest in the three-dimensional world, but it derives from a set of constructs that are flawed. What are these constructs? What makes them flawed? How did humanity get off course to build structures of civilization and society that are such poor reflections of who we really are? There is a specific framework that has emerged over millions of years to induce humanity to the repetitive post of deficient civilization-builders. In the context of your questions, I must begin by defining this framework in order to answer all of your questions with sufficient detail and bring some new texture and dimension to the conversation. This framework is known within Lyricus as the Suppression of the Sovereign Integral. Its nine primary components are delineated below. Before you, the reader, continue on, let me warn you that this is a sobering and direct analysis of the suppression framework and I would advise everyone who reads this to remain neutral as they examine my answers. If you find the information feeling too “heavy” or evoking fear, set it aside or return to it later. This story is not for everyone. Some will feel threatened by it and react with a sense of alarm, and others will feel like someone pulled the rug from underneath them. If you feel any of this, you may not be prepared to confront these realities.

projectcamelot.org...

Very powerful stuff I might add. It is all new and exclusive.

My personal view: the world of perceptions and forms seems quite unreal to me. I just feel it.

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I just got home from work and its funny that I came home to this thread.
I was thinking today that I could be a ghost and not even know it.
I could be dead but living as a ghost without realizing that I am dead and thinking I am living my life.
Quite the mindf***.
I think with the tech we have today that it could be a possibilty.
We could all be in a testube with electrodes attached to us.
Whos really to say?

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Questions to ALL:

Ever look out of an airplane window, down at our planet...what does it all remind you of?

Would you change your behavior if you knew everything is simulated?

Good question. Probably not. I mean, on a deep level it wouldn't change anything because it still wouldn't answer the question: Who am I?

Like Trinity said in the Matrix, "The Matrix can't tell you who you are."

If discovering that everything is simulated (including your spirit, consciousness, God) made a person feel small and insignificant, then up to that point I would say that person hadn't really given thought before to the size of themselves in the Universe and all that appears around us.

If it made a person want to crack the code, and break out of the simulation and find out who they really were, then I'd say that person hadn't ever had an interest in science or spiritualism or meditation.

If this is real or it isn't real, it is something. Be it an illusion, a dream, reality, a game, or whatever, it is something. And even if I found out that I'm just a blip of information inside some cosmic computer, I'd say, "How is that any different from the situation I found myself in before?"

What might change my behavior is if you showed me an escape hatch out of the simulation. I might just go through the rabbit hole.

I do not believe that the smells produced by any man after a night of heavy drinking and pizza feeding can be simulated by any advancements in technology.

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Further more if I am a simulation I would like to thank the developer for the world interpritation routines I run as they rock also the new node classes I have developed under ways to give it to the wife should be saved.

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I had to think about this and I guess you can say it all depends on how one wants to look at it and how they would want to interrupt there thoughts.

Since I am a human with an alien soul I can say from the things I have learned one thing would be ....... "your soul you," continues on and on.

As for myself I know when this life ends I will continue on and never know of this existance unless the Creator'(S

I've recalled what was as-if a supernatural event around 6/21/91 in which a was asked about comparing different realities by someone(s). I believe I chose the one that seemed more typical of my 'known life' and memory that I was used to or comfortable with. Not to say I wouldn't prefer something better. Many of us learn to reluctantly deal with what we have.

The other worlds and events by comparison seemed to be lacking one important thing: the sky or heavens. It was typically overcast or dark or inside these staged events. I guess a minor glitch for some. Those who supposedly live below earth, most likely don't ever see the sky.

If heaven was obviously and 'knowingly' some type of computer generated matrix to us 'now', than the absence of previous memories would probably solve that. This is what's been suggested by an alleged prophecy of heaven as if some dream.

For myself, my dreams are typically like this disconnection from memory and reality and I don't usually ever know that I'm dreaming.

Many people may actually have a more active mind when dreaming than they are when they're awake. (?)

A couple other movies were Darkstar and The Truman Show.

Great topic though.

Good thread, star and flag.

How does this fit in with your spiritual views and occult teachings skyfloating?

Im 100% certain that if everyone knew this reality was simulated, working to pay for the house etc would not seem as important. Would like to think people would live in the now, and for the moment than thinking about what work will be like next week.

Another point for people to ponder is, would is put everything out of balance?

Peace

Originally posted by strNick

My personal view: the world of perceptions and forms seems quite unreal to me. I just feel it.

I felt it today (hence this thread). I was just lying on the sofa doing nothing for a change. Just nothing.

I looked at the room. I looked at the objects in the room.

And the more silent I became, just lazily lying there, looking around, the more apparent it became to me that it may just all be a playground sort of simulation.

Dont know why lying around lazily sparked those kind of thoughts.

This is all possible, theoretically speaking. But unfortunately i just dont see any way possible of proving such a thing. Once we create these ideas and 'theories' it all turns to speculation from then on.

I suppose we could learn the truth someday, once we start making AI that is advanced as ourselves (possible more?) and seeding it on other planets (even at home, in an enclosed environment/truman show?), then maybe the same thing could have happened to us.

Who knows. It all just gives you a headache

Originally posted by harrytuttle

If this is real or it isn't real, it is something. Be it an illusion, a dream, reality, a game, or whatever, it is something. And even if I found out that I'm just a blip of information inside some cosmic computer, I'd say, "How is that any different from the situation I found myself in before?"

Nice insights. Im not a big fan of labeling this as "unreal". I'd prefer recognizing different-levels-of-"real".

Im watching this movie. While I watch it, its real enough for me to be enjoyable. I identify with the emotions of the actors. Thats real enough for me. But on a superior level to that, I know its just a bunch of moving dots on a screen.

The more interesting question might be: If our reality is less fixed and serious than we think, would we then not allow ourselves to be a bit less conventional?

Originally posted by observe50
I had to think about this and I guess you can say it all depends on how one wants to look at it.

Yes. But arent we, as a human race, now not grown-up enough to not only say "well, its a matter of perspective" but go on and confront the masterminds behind all this?

I insist on more than philosophy.

It's a 'light simulation,' yes. Wanna see how it's done?
"THE SECRET OF LIGHT"
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Watch out for Agent Smith(s).

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This reminds me of how we wake up in the morning realizing that the dream we had was not actually "real", but something taking place within our mind.

I imagine we have a similar feeling when "waking up" from our everyday reality.

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I forgot about Truman Show

Originally posted by The 5th
How does this fit in with your spiritual views and occult teachings skyfloating?

Since I dont have any fixed beliefs in anything at all, nothing has to fit into anything preconceived...which allows one to speculate.

Originally posted by serbsta
This is all possible, theoretically speaking. But unfortunately i just dont see any way possible of proving such a thing. Once we create these ideas and 'theories' it all turns to speculation from then on.

You see, thats exactly what I, and many others, are no longer interested in. We'd prefer to rip off the mask, pull down the curtain and see whats actually going on.

I think if we go by our own rudimentary knowledge of virtual and simulation technology, we may be able to find out a thing or two.

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I Concur

The past few weeks ive been thinking this exact thing, as scientists have been learning new things and Im researching them it all leads up to something like the theory you have suggested.

The real question however is why are we where we are? Some believe in Horoscopes and they very accurately describe the mental ongoings of certain people, some people try to defy them but are in their inner core those beings... Like pisces, i fit that example very strongly, but i have another side of me that fits others, but my weakness is my caring for others and that is the strong point of a pisces... so anyways

In the bible they talk about hell

I wonder perhaps if this life is hell, because our minds create our realitys, what we think happens in directly, its what we feel inside that occurs...not what we want, what we truely feel, and that to me would be something like hell.

What is this method of telepathy, there are some who do possess this gift... but what does it mean, how does one connect to another and i conclude it means we are already all connected, via biological processes, cells? Atoms? Electrons? Something deeper, something now yet known?

There is something to your theory, i hope to one day figure it out, but as some physicists say, when we figure out how the universe works, it changes... like the one experiment that they shot electrons through this one thing trying to se how it works, 1 slit, 2 slits, and when they added a camera.... the electrons acted unexspectedly because of the awareness of the camera, it shouldn't be possible... but it did happen.

I hope you find the anwsers.

Great thread! I must say, Ive always felt something was up with this world since an early age. I like to describe the world as an "artificial mind construct." We only see the world as we do, because of the rules we hold in our brain. In the modern world, humans learn most things from other people, so we believe them to be true. We do not use instinct. I feel this is why animals often seem to make use of seemingly extra senses that we do not have.

The brain is a fickle thing, it can be easily tricked (even simple optical illusions prove this) and "programmed." Perhaps this is why many children seem to see things adults don't, they haven't been fully programmed. It could also be that the will of the majority imposes on all youngsters. If we really are all connected then the overall influence is what creates the reality. Its pretty trippy when you think about it, but I feel certain that it is the case.

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Hi, just wondering if you guys read that post by hidden hand and if so do you think that relates to this? Thanks