Has there ever been anything worthwhile on here?

I'm not trolling just before we start.

Every video we get on this website is either blatantly obviously not real/taken with a blurry and shaken camera or pathetically insignifaicant (I.E. the video of a full stop sized object dodging a full stop sized missile from 9999999 miles away).

I think the stuff about NASA airbrushing extra terrerstrial (or our own?) bases out of moon pictures is very interesting though, more things like that would make this site much better.

I know the information isn't exactly just there to find but i can never express my annoyance at the way everything is covered up. I simply do not understand what they are acheiving... Its DEFINATELY true that they know a hell of a lot more than us... but just how much?

Sorry, just a sort of semi serious/rant type post

**Flame shileds just incase im the 99999999th person to post this**

[edit on 16/1/09 by Gregor100]

I assume you're talking about just the Aliens & UFOs board.
Is that correct?

Yeah, the rest of the site is quite good. But most of this is people who have uncovered video from the 50's that are almost unwatchable... Do you agree? Maybe i just find rubbish threads...

What I have found is that most people on this site have no idea what there talking about 99% of the time concerning UFOS and no there not all about 1950s footage.

I don't specifically mean every video is from the 50's. I just mean they are generally very old and poor quality, therefore easier to manipulate to look as if there are UFO's etc. in them.

Originally posted by Gregor100
Every video we get on this website is either blatantly obviously not real/taken with a blurry and shaken camera or pathetically insignifaicant

Not really, there have been some interesting photos and videos, but not that much, specially when compared with all the almost unbearable YouTube videos.

I think the stuff about NASA airbrushing extra terrerstrial (or our own?) bases out of moon pictures is very interesting though, more things like that would make this site much better.

In this case my opinion is the opposite, I have never seen anything interesting about supposed airbrushing of photos (except "public relations" photos), so I find almost all those threads somewhat uninteresting (but that does not make them uninteresting enough to stop me from posting on them ).

I admit, I come to this forum less and less for much of the crap and trolling that takes place here.

However, if you really try there are some excellent cases being discussed here. Most are older cases - before Youtube, vid cameras, etc came about and have much much meat to them and the presentations are excellent

Dont give up...I havent yet

Some examples (but there are more):

www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...


[edit on 1/16/2009 by greeneyedleo]

Well i'll give anything a look over, but I know what you mean. A lot of crap gets chucked onto this board. Personally though I like any discussions about the Moon / Mars Anomolies or any NASA footage, or any blackbox transcripts from pilots. Those three are what really appeal to me.

Actually a timely thread in my opinion.
I joined ats to see what was out there for UFO stuff and it wasn't bad for awhile....but I too am tired of sifting through crap...If I see "Internos" on a thread I am there or Mike Sinhng (sp) anyway.......
....I wish those guys had a seperate board and when ever a "credible" ufo thing comes up they would grab it off the UFO board and move it into theirs. Sort of like going from the minor league up to the majors. I would then only have to look at their board...but I doubt they want to be the trashmen and sift through everything before giving something the nod....but I for one would trust them 100%
Until then....I just wait until or if I see one of their names attached to something....because if there is anything I have learned since being here...those guys know their stuff.
....so anyway....yeah, nothing good or new has popped up in a long long time. Did the Indian's find anything on their mission to the moon? ....hmmm, I have a thread to track down.

I have to agree in part to the nature of this topic BUT.....

ATS is what we make it.

I would also agree with the previous poster about members like "Internos" who always offer fine information and opinions.

Think about it like this.....the "Aliens & UFO" thread now has one more uneventful thread. I mean no offence and I'm merely making a point!

If you don't like it, change it or don't do it.

Why not research something and give members something to get their teeth into? Not just a "what if/why is question, I'm sure you'll agree there's enough of them already.

If you're expecting a blockbusting new story with great video, photos and comments....start one. The truth is out there....it could be HERE, but that depends on US and YOU.

Start with a "search" (in toolbar at top) of your favourite subject in this forum and go from there.

I wait in anticipation to contribute to your wonderful thread. Good luck my friend. If you want some homework I'm sure I can come up with something.

cheers....nerb

Originally posted by Res Ipsa
....I wish those guys had a seperate board and when ever a "credible" ufo thing comes up they would grab it off the UFO board and move it into theirs. Sort of like going from the minor league up to the majors.

Me too! And we're not alone...

Not long ago someone created a thread asking for something like that to be done, but they closed the thread.

nerbot, you are right....but....I am upset beyond words that "Eli Stone" has been canceled.....should I go out and try to make my own Eli Stone show? Should I go protest out in front of ABC? I'm a law student with a family....I come to the Walmart of UFO shopping, ATS. I want someone else to do all the work and allow me to drink my beer or wine and learn about what all their hard work has discovered. Don't we approach the Discovery channel the same way.....Sure I could go research Truman for 100 hours, or I could watch a cool one hour program.
....you aren't wrong at all about what you are saying, but the reality for most of us is what I'm trying to convey. Alot of us come to ATS as we come to the Discovery chanel. Thats why I am not stingy on my praise of people like Internos. These guys do an amazing amount of work and even on threads they don't start. You won't find me starting a thread about UFO's and I wish those that have the "what if" questions wouldn't either. Quality not quanity....and I think that is what you are saying too.
....actually, like I said, I agree with you and I guess I just feel guilty and trying to justify my lazy parasitic role here.....didn't I have a thread I was looking for..........

Although I am interested in the topic of UFO's, it is one of the topics that I get my information from other sites. I won't mention any of them because that would probably be a violation of T & C, but I'm more interested in the reports. I like to draw my own conclusions from them. Just my opinion. On the other hand, I really enjoy virtually all the other forums on ATS.

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
I admit, I come to this forum less and less for much of the crap and trolling that takes place here.

However, if you really try

there are some excellent cases being discussed here. Most are older cases - before Youtube, vid cameras, etc came about and have much much meat to them and the presentations are excellent

Dont give up...I havent yet

Some examples (but there are more):

www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...


[edit on 1/16/2009 by greeneyedleo]

I think such threads are so much more interesting than YouTube videos and people congratulating each-other.

The only reason I commented here originally is because of the epic Isaac Drone thread. That, for me, was enough to think that there are sensible people on here, and that makes me happy. That thread is a credit to this forum.

The majority of sites like this on the internet are unquestioning places. There is no possibility of wheat being separated from chaff, and certainly no room for sceptics.

I like that people are generally tolerant of each-other despite their differing opinions.

I enjoy watching the video's and reading the stories. Indeed some are easly recognisable as fakes from the off-set however, what about the real stuff?

I mean, with the ability to create " very realistic " UFO/Alien videos on our computers, how are we then to know whats real and whats not? Could it even be possable that the real deal has been presented on here already and we have fobbed it off?

I have seen some awesome video's that look very real and although someone will disagree and present there reasons and may very well make sense, how are we to distinguish the facts that are being presented?

With so much conspiracy going on who can blame us for getting sidetracked with dis-info at times.

Im interested to know from you guys, what do you look for when your being presented with such information, both video's and stories?

Regards

IP

Thank-you Converge, I just read that thread.....man did I want to respond to people on that dead thread.
1) Someone would have to be given the responsibility to actually make a judgment call and like I said it could be an "Internos" board. It doesn't mean the other stuff is crap, per se, but it would give great credibility and improve the ATS product. We would want Google searches to bring serious people in and they wouldn't be introduced to Godblossum my next door neighbor is from Xarcon from the start and scare them off.
...of course it would take some time but serious people would be directed right to that board and avoid ET ate my dog threads. I think ATS can do that with 9/11 too. There is no reason why ATS has to be a joke to normal serious people....and there is no reason why they have to change anything for the fringers that like fringe thinking. Look....Toyota makes the Celica and they make the Lexus! ATS can do both too!
....hand over the serious space stuff to an Internos board and let it be the Lexus of ATS for this area. (by the way, I have no idea who Internos is in real life or Mike Singh)
...thanks Converge, I thought I might have been alone with this.

Originally posted by Gregor100
I'm not trolling just before we start.

Every video we get on this website is either blatantly obviously not real/taken with a blurry and shaken camera or pathetically insignifaicant (I.E. the video of a full stop sized object dodging a full stop sized missile from 9999999 miles away).

NOT every one, in my humble opinion: to figure what are those rare gems which are not, is one of the main purposes of the board. I sympatize with your frustration, though, and i'd agree even about the percentage
The point is what are the evidences corroborating the claim that NASA airbrushes images in order to share them rather than keeping them out of our reach (sparing a lot of work that way). The percentage of NASA images allegedly showing ufo/aliens stuff that turned out to be misinterpretation is NOT very different from the one of crappy youtube videos showing lights whatsoever. Try to post some NASA video not showing ice particles or some NASA photo not showing lens flares, reflections and glitches in the emulsion of the film and you will realize how hard is it to find some of those precious gems. Or look at some analysis on some of the best cases: like this one. The same goes for ordinary footages. This is why we should, in my humble opinion, to give more importance to the cases corroborated by multiple witness, radar detection, media coverage, etc: go and debunk some official radar track, if you can Many people here mistake the researcher with the debunker: they are different. A debunker acts with the purpose of discrediting/dismissing something, a researcher may debunk something while looking for the truth, so the debunking is just a consequence of his/her work. When you decide to clean up your wharehouse, some days you think that something is worthy to be kept, but the day after you realize that it's just a waste of space and trash it: the ideal solution would be to make a serious assessment on each single thing you find . The only way would be to research carefully the stuff BEFORE we post, but since not everyone is able/has the time/has the chance to research it, here's why the Aliens/UFOs forum is for
Many brains, working together, are the strongest weapon one could ever imagine (including the mass destruction ones) and this is the power of ATS, no matter the trolls, no matter the people who post UFO HAITI asking if it's real or not: we all started from the same level of knowledge, which is ZERO


[edit on 16/1/2009 by internos]

Originally posted by InfoProvider


Im interested to know from you guys, what do you look for when your being presented with such information, both video's and stories?

Regards

IP

....rofl....this is going to add to the Internos love fest I have going here but its the truth. In the beginning and still now, I don't have a final opinion on any video or information until one of the big dogs, like Internos, shows up and posts....I like to think of myself as a critical thinker being a third year law student, but these guys like Internos and Mike post as if they did their masters thesis on the thread...come on people you know if you have been here for awhile you don't make your mind up on some of this stuff until these guys show up....."Phage" there is another name that I see floating around on any board or thread and that person is sharp too, especially with common sense.....anyway....you will come to trust certain posters and you should weigh that with what you think too....UFO's or Space...its Internos.
((((lol...he just posted above me...edit after seeing that)))))

[edit on 16-1-2009 by Res Ipsa]

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
Although I am interested in the topic of UFO's, it is one of the topics that I get my information from other sites. I won't mention any of them because that would probably be a violation of T & C, but I'm more interested in the reports. I like to draw my own conclusions from them. Just my opinion. On the other hand, I really enjoy virtually all the other forums on ATS.

....he has made my point exactly!!! I've seen some of your postings and you are one of the people I want to see driving a new Lexus made here at ATS.

This board is quite useful to me when it comes to finding UFO reports that remain at a local rather than national level. Such as a sighting from November 2005 where an ABC weatherman in Atlanta Georgia got on the air and admitted to seeing a long string of UFOs after receiving calls about it. The question as to why the TV station didn't take video of the event remains unanswered.

When big UFO events happen this board becomes a great compilation of news reports and/or videos that are made of the event. Such as the Chicago O'Hare airport UFO incident.

To me this board is a valuable resource for such UFO sightings. Very little in the way of actual good ET information, but then that's always been the case even in other forms of media.