Man refuses to drive 'No God' bus

Originally posted by Thinkmore


Everyone needs to sit back, and ask themselves "How does this affect me personally?"

It sets a scary precedent. Will my employer now be forced to keep me on, give me raises, and regard me as a good worker even when I refuse whichever task that I so choose because of my beliefs? That is no excuse not to do your job. He deserves to be fired.

That is a matter between the bus driver and his employer. Personally, I agree with you that he should be fired. His job is to drive a bus, not pass judgement on the advertisements.

But there are many people who will turn this into a pro religious issue, or a religion bashing issue, when it is nothing more than a guy who is not dong his job.

Everything is getting blown out of proportion and given an artificial sense of importance to try to blind us from the real issues.

reply to post by Thinkmore


"Everything is getting blown out of proportion and given an artificial sense of importance to try to blind us from the real issues."

Real issues...

...Like people having been brainwashed/indoctrinated into thinking this Man deserved to be fired.

The individual is more important than the state - or the collective.

His rights come first and if you disagree with me on that point; you are a disgrace.

His job is to drive a bus. If he does not want to do his job, then he should be fired.

Why is it that when someone is a Christian and they do something like this, it is 'Excercising their rights', yet if the person is an Athiest or Muslim, or any other religion, they are 'bashing' Christian religious values or promoting hate?

Originally posted by machinegun_go_go

This is outrageous. The man should should be fired or suspended. It is his job to drive the bus - not pass judgement on the advertisements it

I don't belong to any religious group, but I'll never drive a bus with a slogan that tries to offend other people's beliefs.

I won't condone anything that promotes strife, tension, division among people. We have more than enough of that already and it's the last thing we need.

Lastly, I won't condone anything that tells you how you should think. Let people think for themselves what is good for them.

[edit on 19-1-2009 by ahnggk]

reply to post by ahnggk


I'm sorry, but the ad really doesn't try to tell anyone what to think. It's just stating a different viewpoint to that which some have.

Anything that encourages independent thought is a good thing in my eyes.

Peace,

MGGG

I see many peoples ignorance when it comes to this kind of argument. christians bitching because they think they have a right to control what they do everywhere and what everyone else should do. Thats really all the bitching that ever goes on, atheists don't bitch we tell you the way it is because we are neutral and you sheep are one sided. If the man does not want to work because of his own reasons thats his choice not to work. Then its his choice his kids wont eat because he had a pissy fit and got fired for a dumb reason. Unless you are being discriminated like kept from advancement because of religious or in most cases not religious ideals thats the only time it should be mentioned. I get it all the time, i have body modification and i am disabled, even though its illegal to not higher me or tell me to remove my body modifications, they still do and get away with it daily. Now it would be my fault not to work and not feed my kids but i must, until i get around to suing these companies for their wrong doings i must get what little money i can make.

[edit on 19-1-2009 by XXXTheClown]

Originally posted by machinegun_go_goAnything that encourages independent thought is a good thing in my eyes.

Peace,

MGGG

That we agree upon. Like on one end, we shouldn't be so mad at somebody if they decide to think differently as long as they're not violating your inalienable rights.

Sometimes I do get persecuted for doing nothing xO. Guess it all boils down to do to others what you want to be done to yourself.

Originally posted by Exuberant1


Real issues...

...Like people having been brainwashed/indoctrinated into thinking this Man deserved to be fired.

The individual is more important than the state - or the collective.

His rights come first and if you disagree with me on that point; you are a disgrace.

His rights? What rights? I am not sure what country you are in but in the U.S. neglecting the duties of the job you expect to get paid for is not a right. He has the right to quit and he has the right the behave in a manner which will cause his firing but he has no right just refuse to do his job without repercussions. Where did you even get this crap from?

reply to post by Luciferdescending


"Where did you even get this crap from? "

Classy....

I think you are just jealous of this man's courage. He refuses to compromise on his principles and you attack him for it - he wasn't 'politikally correct'...

Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by Luciferdescending

 

"Where did you even get this crap from? "

Classy....

I think you are just jealous of this man's courage. He refuses to compromise on his principles and you attack him for it - he wasn't 'politikally correct'...

Where did I attack this man? Please post that.

This man is not brave, he is a poor employee. You do not get to go to your job and then start to pick and choose which tasks you feel are moral and which are not. Why should he get paid to refuse to do his job? Why should he not get fired? This is what his job is. As a Christian, do you get to go take a job in a strip club and then make them clothe all of the women because you want to make a couragous stand? No, you quit the job that is so morally reprehensible, not try to be a bus driving marter. Some people actually need their job to feed and clothe families. If he can afford to take this stand, he can afford to seek employment someplace that does not offend his Christian Values. That is the beauty of this wonderful free country. He has every right to walk away from his employment. That is the only right he has in this case.

reply to post by Luciferdescending


The job description of a bus driver is that he has to drive the bus to carry passengers around, but it seems that there is no reason to take for granted that a bus would be used as a venue to advertise for a cause, this is not intrinsic to the job. It is not like a supermarket check out clerk would be expected to check out any item sold in the store including items that may offend the clerk's personal or religious sensibility,--say alcohol. That is part of the job and she would know that she would be doing these things before she was an employee.

So, while I think the bus driver is a bit silly, it is within his right to refuse driving the atheist bus. One can argue that it is not part of his job to drive around town promoting a cause.

Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by Luciferdescending

 

The job description of a bus driver is that he has to drive the bus to carry passengers around, but it seems that there is no reason to take for granted that a bus would be used as a venue to advertise for a cause, this is not intrinsic to the job.

Are you a bus driver? Where I live, public buses have been moving billboards for as long as I can remember. If you got a job driving a bus here in the last 30 some odd years at least, you know darn well that your bus may have changing advertisments on the side. Sorry but it comes with the job. They are made aware before they take the job. If he felt that was an issue he might have trouble with, then he should have looked elsewhere. Apparently though, he just wants a job where he can pick and choose the tasks involved in the job.

Originally posted by cybertroy


For anyone who understands the reality of creation, for someone to advertise that there probably isn't a god, is like a knife to the heart.

To those of us that see religion as the cause of most murder, rape, and theft in history, watching an entire orginization (Catholic church) get away with the massive rape of thousands of children over the course of decades is the truly disgusting thing. Seeing god used to commit genocide or rape children is pretty bothersome. Where are all the Catholics running from their pedophile cult? Where is all this integrity when "God's people" screw up. I guess we just have integrity when we want to get paid to refuse to do the job we are hired to do because of what it says on the outside. Thank god you Christians have your priorities straight. Protest and entire church that revolves around raping children? No. This man and his bus...lets go get that evil bus company.

reply to post by Luciferdescending


"To those of us that see religion as the cause of..."

Religion is not the 'cause of' - it is an 'Excuse to...'

*It helps people rationalize away their transgressions against humanity.

'Rationalizing' is worse than religion, by your logic. And whilst it is a survival mechanism, it has been promoted in our culture as it was in others that came before - Religion is just a tool to aid in this process of Rationalizing away the worst acts and injustices. It is not the cause - it is just another tool for control and manipulation.

If you wanna put up a pro-Atheist advertisement that would be fine, but why does it have to put down other religions that believe in God? This is the equivalent of a Christian sign saying "There is no Allah, come and pray at our church instead".

reply to post by Luciferdescending


Your site name says it all.
It is obvious by the ignorance in your posts that you are just out to push your personal agenda and you know absoloutely nothing about being a Christian or what it stands for.
Like others on this thread you choose to ignore the real reason that this man refused to drive the bus.
You are so full of hate my friend that i do honestly feel sorry for you.

reply to post by jon1


"Like others on this thread you choose to ignore the real reason that this man refused to drive the bus."

It might be a result of indoctrination and a lifetime of forcing himself to adopt a politikally correct mindset. Going along to get along...

I find that so many of our younger people have elevated the state and the controlled 'political correctness' over and above the rights and powers of the individual. This is a communist mindset.

It is quite obvious that everyone under thirty has been raised with the doctrines of the Communist Manifesto - this has had a detrimental effect on our society, and has led to our youths devaluing the individual and embracing a Worldview that is in direct opposition to the one held by our Founding Fathers.

reply to post by Luciferdescending

Psssssssssssssssssssssssst. Redneck, come over here for a second. I do not want to embarrass you in front of everyone else but this particular thread is specifically about a religious topic. If you were hoping to avoid a religious discussion, you should try reading the titles and OPs of the threads you invade.

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lol:

Indeed, this was the whole point of the bus advertisement to begin with, ie to raise awareness that a god is probably not real, so that those with a deluded religious bent should refrain from trying to dictate to the rest of us how to live.

The bus driver gives the impression from his attitude that he has a very small mind, in that he is somehow offended by the add.

All he had to do was prove his case that the jesusgod was real and ask the jesusgod to remove the ad.
Clearly no god is offended by the ad as no god removed the ad, thus confirming that the ad is in all probability correct in its' assertion that god is in all probability not real.
This it seems would warrant the driver to change his name by deedpole to something like Richard Cranium, as god refused to defend him or god id not real and he is deluded.

Poor old redneck just doesn't get it, the days of bible thumpers dictating how we are supposed to think are over, thank god.

I would like to see more ads like this on school buses and shopping carts/trolleys etc, maybe humanity will be able to give one big sigh of relief when the great religious god delusion is over. Perhaps any merits in spirituality could be investigated then with clear open minds.


[edit on 19-1-2009 by moocowman]

Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by Thinkmore

 

His rights come first and if you disagree with me on that point; you are a disgrace.

Which rights are you referring to?

Genuine question.