Man refuses to drive 'No God' bus

reply to post by karl 12


Thank you for your kind words!



Right, here we go again...

Originally posted by LeoVirgo

This is stupid on the part of the ones that run these buses and knowing they are placing them on the streets of the masses who all carry different beliefs.

I would point out that not all of the people in London are Christians, yet the buses carry adverts for Churches. From your above statement are we to believe you would voice similar complaints about that?

Originally posted by Revealation

This is why there will NEVER be peace and harmony. People (all people of every race and religion) are selfish and want everything their way...

The reason they bash Christians is because they don't feel as if one will come running through their door strapped with a bomb unlike other immoral third world religions...

Perhaps the reason there will never be 'peace and harmony' is because the religious can't be tolerant of one another (as evidenced by your post) never mind because athiests are intolerant of the religious...

Originally posted by deadline527

From a christian perspective, I have no problem with this advertisement. Who cares what other people think? Your beliefs are your own, and if something written on the side of a bus offends you, then you have larger problems going on.

Well said! Why can't more Christians think like you?

Originally posted by TheRedneck

"We don't hate Christians... unless they refuse to do or act or think like we want them to."

"How dare these Christians show intolerance... they should do as they are told... by us!"

Let's have those statements from a different point of view:

"We don't hate athiests...unless they refuse to do or act or think like we want them to."

"How dare these athiests show intolerance...they should do as they are told... by us!"

That's what you guys sound like to athiests. Where are you all getting this idea that there is some great unified athiest campaign to shatter peoples' religious beliefs? There are only a handful of high-profile athiests (ala Richard Dawkins) who are ever given any publicity. There's no regular athiest television programming in the way there is religious. The vast majority of athiests have no compulsion to try and influence others' beliefs. As was said earlier by nerbot it's only really an issue when we are confronted by religious zealots...

Originally posted by defendant

It aint the bible or the Koran, it is the SATANIC BIBLE which ENTICES MURDER AND HATE AND VIOLENCE. And through the lies, christians have been made to look like the murderers.

Come on now, that's just nonsense. How many violent criminals or murderers do you think have actually read the 'Satanic Bible'? I positively guarantee it would be a incredibly minute fraction compared to those who have read the Christian Bible or the Qur'an or the Torah etc...

Originally posted by AlwaysQuestion

The atheist message to me just says 'stop thinking and get on with life '. That's not great either.

I think that the message is trying to get people to "start thinking and get on with life"...I suppose it depends on your point of view, huh?

Originally posted by xstealth

The bus driver didn't know he would be driving a bus insulting religions...

The advert does not insult religions. It implies that there may not be a God. It's doesn't say "Ha-ha you are a moron if you have faith in any deity" - That's an insult (for illustrative purposes only, no actual offence intended).

I think some here are overreacting...



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Originally posted by lunarminer

Let's say that one of the streetcar drivers was member of MADD, and refused to drive a streetcar that promoted drinking?

I would agree, because of the link between driving, drinking and death. Any form of transportation or motorsport should be prohibited from having alchohol advertising. Common sense, as alcohol products have a detrimental effect on a person's ability to drive. For this bus driver however, a sign he can't see on the outside of the bus making a point about how there may not be a God should not be detrimental to his ability to control the vehicle. Still, it's his choice not to drive it so he will have to live with any disciplinary consequences...

Originally posted by lunarminer

Those of you who are agnostic, athiests, pagans, etc. are probably more than aware that you represent a minority viewpoint.

Maybe in your neck of the woods, in a lot of places it's a rapidly growing viewpoint...

Originally posted by Monger

...I think the idea of atheistic propaganda being displayed on public transportation is insane.

You seem like a reasonable enough person. Surely you can't think it's any more insane than the religious propganda that has been displayed on public transport & elsewhere for years?

Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by Nirgal

 

"I guess this means an atheist can refuse to drive the myriad buses that advertise various London churches. "

No.

They admit they don't have a soul and so are in no danger of eternal hellfire and torture where your guts are ripped out by satan and you are boiled in the Lake of fire etc.... for all eternity.

While that may be the case, it doesn't mean we should have to be bombarded with what we perceive to be fictional nonsense. Say you got on a bus and there were adverts that proclaimed Scooby Doo to be the one true God and if you didn't worship him you would spend eternity in the fiery depths of hell's haunted amusement park as if it were fact. Sure you might laugh at first, but after a while it would start to get on your nerves. Then you look out the window and pass by the local 'Church of St. Scrappy' with a sign outside saying "Yoinks! - Shaggy 3:14". Deep and meaningful to some, but to you it's a lot of nonsense. Now say you had to use that bus every day to get to work. Pretty irritating if you didn't believe in the joyous salvation that our Lord Scoob has to offer...

Originally posted by Luciferdescending

Where is all the outrage over Bill OReilly...

Hey I'll gladly complain about Bill O'Reilly. The guy is despicable, and I would gladly see him banished to the far regions of existence...

Originally posted by spaznational
This situation is best considered by drawing parallel scenarios...

What if the driver was female and the advertisement was for an obscene pornographic website?

Maybe it would be better served if you came up with a parallel that has an actual chance of happening in reality...though I suppose I've got a bit of a cheek to say that given my earlier 'Church of Scooby-Doo' scenario...

Originally posted by kindred

...why is this slogan on the side of the bus in the first place. It's nothing more than a deliberate attack on peoples religious beliefs...

...If there's one thing you need in your life, it's a dose of tolerance. I have to tolerate your lame beliefs, so your sure as hell are going to tolerate mine...

I think you'll find we have quietly tolerated your beliefs for years. One little advert (compared to the many thousands of religious adverts that have been about for years) and you get so upset! Our lame beliefs? Yep, you're obviously a very tolerant person!



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reply to post by GamerGal

 

What's next a Mormon working at a liquor store suing because they sell alcohol?

What's next, an Atheist suing a church,temple or mosque because they preach religion?

Even though we all know it's only directed at Christianity.

For those of you who claim Christians aren't tolerant. Let me see the real balls you atheist have and tell the muslims their God doesn't exist. Since it's an alleged anti God sentiment, why is it always directed at Christ. Why not muhammed?

As far as I'm concerned I believe in God and Christ and don't care about any religion or what "THEY" perceive. I don't condemn them for their beliefs but just don't agree with them.

What i perceive is that atheist are spineless jelly fish using the laws to manipulate their cause (in a safe little country of civility only) because they are scared to death and hide under the protection of the country and the fact that Christians are civil.

I don't see atheist going to 3rd world countries or total muslim countries risking their lives to help others and further their cause even under the threat of death.You are nothing more than trouble makers trying to cause division and have no actual cause. Just a bunch of atheist punks.



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Originally posted by Revealation
For those of you who claim Christians aren't tolerant. Let me see the real balls you atheist have and tell the muslims their God doesn't exist. Since it's an alleged anti God sentiment, why is it always directed at Christ. Why not muhammed?

I've done that on more than one occasion, thankyou very much. Allah, Jebus, Jehovah, Ganesh or any other deity can get on both knees, pucker up and kiss my hairy white arse.

I once worked for a telco in Slough, UK. Slough has a high Muslim population and I worked in a team that was 75% Muslim. I used to sit at my desk every day and have a bacon sandwhich for breakfast from the food van down the road.

Many times a couple of the team actually tried to convert me. Not just talk about Islam, but really try to convert me!

I told them in no uncertain terms I believed them to be fools, God/Allah wasn't real and that bacon tastes great. They weren't happy, but they were persistent. It went on for weeks, each time I told them I don't believe in God and to leave me alone.

Believe what you want, said I, but I will not be following you. They actually got rather irate at their repeated failure to even tempt me to listen, but I would not budge in my beliefs.

I am quite happy to let others waste their lives in a pointless devotion to a deity that doesn't exist and can be pulled apart with even a cursory study of history, but don't make me follow your crazy ideas. If you try though, be prepared to be offended, as I will pull no punches, as I expect the Zealous would do also.

What’s wrong with him not wanting to drive the bus? It is no different than somebody driving a bus or other type of public transportation that advertizes sex ads. There was a case like that in Las Vegas. The taxi driver did not feel comfortable driving around with a particular sign on his taxi. His justification was that the advertisement represented not just his company but him as well and did not want to be that directly involved with pornography. I believe this principal applies in this case. Also, that type of advertisement could draw the type of attention that could get somebody hurt as well. The Atheism issue is a very poignant topic. There is no harm in this they assigned him a different vehicle and the company was able to hold up their part of the contract and get the advertisement out.

reply to post by Revealation


"Let me see the real balls you atheist have and tell the muslims their God doesn't exist."

Good Point!

For Atheists to treat Jews like Christians would be anti-Semetic.

For Atheists to treat the Muslims like Christians would be dangerous.

*It is much easier to pick on the 'turn the other cheek' folks.
(They also have to forgive you! For denigrating attacking and insulting them! - It's like shooting fish in a barrel)

reply to post by stumason


That's good and as I stated I condemn no one for their beliefs. We all have our reasons for what we decide but I don;t go around trying to convert people and I don't condem people and ridicule them for their systems so when someone flaps their talk hole in a negative manner to me, they should remember one thing. I am human first and although I do have my beliefs aint gonna let someone talk to me like a POS.

The only reason most people on here voice their opinions so blatantly is because theirs no fear of physical repercussion. In prison it's what we call a gate ganster. All talk on lockdown but soon as the gates open their cowering and recieving what they brought upon themselves.

Remember everyone, although most humans (void of beliefs) are civil and domesticated, we are still men/women and react when provoked. So "EVERYONE" should be considerate of others and we should all keep our beliefs to ourselves.

reply to post by Exuberant1


My point exactly. I'm sure there may be a select few but i never hear about it. I read someone state about all religion but they seem to only talk about Christians.

I wonder why.

reply to post by Revealation


"I wonder why."

I think it is because Jesus (even as an archetype) is basically one's Conscience anthropomorphized. The situation being thus, the atheist must attack the religion related to this archetype in order to exact revenge upon that which represents their conscience, and who is an archetypal reminder to always to what is right - and that their will always be consequences.

Faced with these truths, many people would rather retreat into the existentialist mindset, where even the most mendacious and abhorrent behaviors can be viewed as inconsequential and therefor be excused.

This archetype acts as a persistent reminder that Your actions will have consequences. More importantly, it flies in the face of the Social Darwinist philosophy that is pervasive in our society today.





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Originally posted by Revealation
I don't see atheist going to 3rd world countries or total muslim countries risking their lives to help others and further their cause even under the threat of death.

Have you looked?

You could start here: www.iheu.org...

Organized groups aside - there are numerous atheists working for groups like doctors without borders, reporters without borders, and the international red cross/red crescent. I know a few, myself. They don't advertise the fact, though - because they don't sign up to convert people or earn brownie points for the afterlife, they do it because it's the right thing to do.

Look around, and you'll find atheists at work in your town. They might not want to talk about it, though - people can get very touchy about things like that. I got told off while working at a soup kitchen once, by some pentecostal busybody who told me I had no right volunteering my time... actually refused me entry the next time I went to help out.

reply to post by Revealation


Hey, did you know that Muslims, Jews, and Christians all believe in the same God just in different prophets? Yeah, that's right. So when I'm telling a Muslim, Jew, or Christian that I don't believe in their God, that stands for all three and I have no problem telling each and every person what I do and do not believe in.

However, I don't go around trying to make everyone agree with me. Christians, on the other hand, haven't stopped doing that for thousands of years.

reply to post by vox2442


"actually refused me entry the next time I went to help out."

Sure....

You are more than likely using her religion as an excuse for your poor behaviour which is why you weren't allowed back in.

I can only imagine why an ardent atheist like would decide to volunteer at a church (especially when there are so many other nonreligious organizations for you to volunteer your time at).... and since you aren't allowed back, I guess we know why you went in the first place.

What about an ad to proclaim that Mohammed ancestors were apes and let’s see what happen.
I will drive the bus with a smile

reply to post by vox2442



This is good and i will eat my words. I know atheist work and are all around. You don't actually think I thought they were all standing around at some clubhouse looking for handouts, did ya?


I honestly have nothing against atheists or anyone but get a little aggravated when people push the envelope. As for helping because it's the right thing to do, many people are doing it for the same cause not brownie points. Don't get me wrong their are total hypocrites in Christianity along with atheism and every other religion.

fact is we should all be mindful of others and work for the common cause we all share. We are all human. I personally don't preach or even like to talk to people about it because I do it for myself for MY soul and not to portray myself in a certain way to other people.If it makes me a better person (whether there be a God or not) that's a good thing.

I understand that the antisentiment is coming from people who don't want a religion pushed on them and I can understand and agree. I don't want any agendas pushed on me but we all still need to grow and stop generalizing. All of us. No different than racism.None of us truly will know what's in the after life till we die.

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reply to post by Exuberant1


You seem to forget that you only do good things to score points with Jesus. An athiest does good things because they are good things to do. You don't do bad things because you don't want to be punished. An athiest doesn't do bad things because they are wrong to do.

reply to post by Revealation


Great post. Starring that. Generalizing is something we are all guilty of at one point or another. Typically I take each person one at a time, every person is different and when I say something like "Christians______" or "Atheists_____" I really mean that a majority of the people I've met that place themselves in whatever group.

Originally posted by TasteTheMagick
reply to post by Revealation

 

Hey, did you know that Muslims, Jews, and Christians all believe in the same God just in different prophets? Yeah, that's right.

Yes I do and stated so in one of my posts. I just seem to see Christian flap everywhere. I haven'tseen the word muslim or judiasm in relation to the anti God.

So when I'm telling a Muslim, Jew, or Christian that I don't believe in their God, that stands for all three and I have no problem telling each and every person what I do and do not believe in.

That's GREAT and will get you far in life. Everyone in life cares about your beliefs as much as you do theirs.

However, I don't go around trying to make everyone agree with me. Christians, on the other hand, haven't stopped doing that for thousands of years.

Anyone of us who claims to know what has went on for thousands of years is either really very old or just naive. I personall don't belive everything I read and history would suggest that this goes for every race and religion. I never once told you you have to agree with me or believe in my God. This is for me and if anyone else enjoys it good for them. I personally can;t stand people who push their agendas and agree that it' sannoying and uncalled for but unfortunately it's a free world where we have to listen to pathetic people and their beliefs from all aspects.

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reply to post by Exuberant1


You assume quite a lot, there.

The soup kitchen was not at a church, for one. It was run by a group of people who were affiliated with one, though. Money for it came from a variety of sources. Churches, united way, that kind of thing. I saw they were looking for volunteers, so I went. Once a week for a few months.

The woman in question asked me eventually what church I went to. I told her none. Why not? Because I'm an atheist. And that was the end of it.

But, hey. Thanks for automatically assuming the worst about me.

reply to post by Revealation

Anyone of us who claims to know what has went on for thousands of years is either really very old or just naive.

Do you mean to say that you don't believe that the crusades occurred? Or that Witch Hunts never happened? The inquisition was never a real thing?

Originally posted by TasteTheMagick
reply to post by Revealation

 

Great post. Starring that. Generalizing is something we are all guilty of at one point or another. Typically I take each person one at a time, every person is different and when I say something like "Christians______" or "Atheists_____" I really mean that a majority of the people I've met that place themselves in whatever group.

Very good and how we should all be. Unfortunately we get comfortable in life and everything becomes just a motionless repetative thought. I don't fit your typical Christian mold and don't follow religion but worship what I believe in my own style. I look like a biker, lived a wild life (drugs, alcohol and jail until late 20's) and then grew up. I used christ as my source but it worked for me. To each their own but we need to all be educated and a little more tolerent