Evidence of NASA UFO Fraud Might Kill UK Hacker Case

In my honest opinion, the case won't be seen on its merits and he'll either be killed before or after.

2nd line.

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You err, sir.
No, this isn't a case of petty damage. He hacked space funded by his own tax-paying money.

Shall I quote the Declaration of Independance?


Ever taken a squad car from a police station and went for a ride?

Joyriding is all they can get you on, unless they can argue you impeded justice...



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His 'problems' were created by the lying UK and US Intel community
about UFOs and the man made origin since 1945.

Toss in the lock and block on Tesla tech since 1943.

He was fed up with NASA bull and had to prove them liars.
They are liars.
They should pay.

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Declaration of Independence?

Seriously guy... THAT is story book America. Sigh... There is more truth in a Disney flick than that document.

In the real world, you only have as much rights as you have money to enforce it.

(read you ain't got Jack! )

Even then... it's a 50/50 shot depending on a LOT of factors...

It's a sliding scale of justice.

With justice for all?

DTrump said that right?

( Make sure you say that to those fools vacationing at Gitmo. )

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Like I might have said before... The dollar value of the 'damages' was FABRICATED... in order to trigger the heavy penalty clauses. Gary has got some schizo problems... In terms of telling the public what he REALLY knows... He hides behind... A cloud of smoke... Mostly when it suits him.

Yeah he has changed his story a few times (most probably to save him getting extradited) the only reason the US are making an example of him is because of 9-11. He was in their systems for over a year on and off. He just became complacent and sloppy because it was so easy. In the end he didn't even mask his IP.

If the same thing was done today.. With 50mb broadband etc.. We would all have the truth now, posted on here and Youtube.

Imagine the amount of panic and sweat you put yourself through if you had a copy of the UNEDITED folder..

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>'Imagine the amount of panic and sweat you put yourself through if you had a copy of the UNEDITED folder.. '

Yeah baby!

I WAS holding my breath for a while...

Just imagine...

Apparently, Gary wasn't THAT stoned!

Although if you posted it here you'd get flamed and everyone calling you a fake..

Makes me quiver just thinking about it...

So it's the 20th now? They should have made their decision soon right? Any breaking news?

Edit:

Just read that its a UK judge....so that means in the next 12 hours we may see something but everyone will be watching the Obama show and the reporting may not be expedient.....*sigh*

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Originally posted by Nick_X
So it's the 20th now? They should have made their decision soon right? Any breaking news?

Edit:

Just read that its a UK judge....so that means in the next 12 hours we may see something but everyone will be watching the Obama show and the reporting may not be expedient.....*sigh*

[edit on 19-1-2009 by Nick_X]

awwww, now isn't THAT just perfect timing to sweep this story under the rug?

literally two lines.



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OH MY GOD!!! I cannot believe that there are people in this thread who think that Gary is anything less than a freakin freedom of information LEGEND!!
The fact is , that yeah , he ENTERED a bunch of US government computers, and took information. But if theres anyone on this entire WEBSITE that believes that we the people of earth dont have a right to ALL information that exists, then I am in the wrong company. I spit on this opinion and all who hold it.
We DO have a right to know everything that world government is doing, everything they know, and everything they are investigating. We employ them ... they ought to be our bitches so to speak, and the only way of making it happen for the future, is for people like Gary to keep levering open that info clam, untill all truth is known by all .
Its also the case that ACTUAL hacking (codebreaking, complicated programing , and so forth ) did not occur in the majority of his work. This is down to the idioticaly lax security at the agencies in question.
If anything the people who ought to be prosecuted are the folks responsible for security at those locations, not the fellow who showed them where the weaknesses lie.

Gary McKinnon's potential extradition to the US for hacking military systems is on hold for the next few weeks, McKinnon's lawyer has told ZDNet UK.

On Tuesday, McKinnon appeared at the High Court in London for an oral hearing about his extradition. McKinnon has always admitted hacking into Nasa and Pentagon systems — a crime for which he could face up to 70 years in prison if he were found guilty by a US court — but denies causing damage to the extent claimed by the US.

Late last December, McKinnon sent a confession to Keir Starmer, the director of public prosecutions (DPP), in the hope he might be tried in the UK under the Computer Misuse Act, rather than in the US.

Before the hearing, McKinnon's solicitor Karen Todner told ZDNet UK that the home secretary's counsel had promised her the Home Office would stay the extradition until the DPP had issued his decision.

"The counsel for the home secretary has undertaken not to extradite Gary pending a decision from the DPP," Todner said. The DPP said a week ago he would make a decision within four weeks, so that decision is expected in mid-February.

McKinnon, speaking to ZDNet UK before the hearing, described himself as "nervous". He was, however, jubilant at the news of the delayed extradition.

"It's brilliant news — they're delaying the whole thing until we've got the DPP's decision," McKinnon said. "It's such a relief."

McKinnon added that he and his team would also apply for a judicial review of the home secretary's October rejection of his appeal against extradition. McKinnon's lawyers had argued that he should not be extradited on the grounds he suffers from Asperger's Syndrome, a condition on the autistic spectrum, but the Home Office rejected the appeal, claiming the diagnosis did not provide sufficient grounds for overturning the extradition order.

news.zdnet.co.uk...

update...

Self-confessed hacker Gary McKinnon will stay in the UK for the next month while the director of public prosecutions (DPP) considers whether to try him here.

Source

Found this or was this the same as posted before:

Evidence that U.S. space agency NASA has defrauded U.S. taxpayers for billions of dollars could scrap NASA’s case against UK hacker Gary McKinnon. Credible witnesses have claimed that NASA has altered or destroyed its photos containing images of UFOs. This could become a legal and public relations nightmare for NASA.

Whistleblowers’ evidence of NASA UFO fraud might kill UK hacker case

This mentions Schuessler, Karl Wolfe and Donna Hare and their
findings on NASA.


ED: Yeah its the OP.
In the second link, 9/11 is brought up.
Not cool. Searching for 9/11 answers in NASA UFO lies.

Was your main motivation the search for extra-terrestrials?

That is how it started off and it then grew into suspicions about 9/11, because there are hundreds of unanswered questions about 9/11, the dragging away of all the forensics evidence, and the sale of all the concrete and steel to China. Even the firemen of New York organised their own web site to complain that this isn’t a proper process. Then there are the schools for terrorists run by America to help Latin-American dictatorships and stuff.

Scapegoat


ED+: Are 9/11 and UFO Illuminati the same, think so.
Lets see if this sinks or stinks NASA.

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Lightworth, I hope you are right and that it comes forth very soon.

Update

British computer hacker Gary McKinnon said he was "gobsmacked" yesterday after winning the right to launch a fresh High Court challenge against moves to extradite him to America.

Source

Originally posted by UKWO1Phot
Update

British computer hacker Gary McKinnon said he was "gobsmacked" yesterday after winning the right to launch a fresh High Court challenge against moves to extradite him to America.

Source

I wonder if this reversal has something to do with the fact that Bush is no longer president of the U.S. and Obama has stepped in. Maybe this is why the UK had been delaying a decision for so long?

And check out this news piece from the U.K:

Gary McKinnon believes in little green men, but it doesn't make him a terrorist

You can sense the anger. I actually felt guilty being one of "The Americans" that the writer was mentioning He kind of made it sound like "The Vietcong." I mean, I'm an American, and I don't want him extradited. In addition, some of those who are attempting the extradition that are working for the government are probably not even American, either ...

Also, could be because US is closing Gatmo, most probably will have nowhere to put him. Especially now he has a mental condition all of a sudden..

i thought I read somewhere that Gary found a secret list of astronauts that were part of the secret space program. They were called something that indicated they werent terrestrial astronauts, i forget the term.

Id like to see NASA respond to that

To think he actually hacked and gained access to sensitive materials is naive. He tasted the honey pot, an important aspect of network security. Those networks were left unsecured intentionally. Step 2 is to make an example of him, all in the name of deterrence and FUD.

Originally posted by redhead57
I do hope that this flap will force NASA to come clean. Perhaps this will be the door that Obama can walk through for full disclosure. We certainly can hope.

With the recent memo on FOI from Obama as one of his initial presidential writs, this may be a possibility. The wording he has is very strong for disclosure:

All agencies should adopt a presumption in favor of disclosure, in order to renew their commitment to the principles embodied in FOIA, and to usher in a new era of open Government. The presumption of disclosure should be applied to all decisions involving FOIA.

The presumption of disclosure also means that agencies should take affirmative steps to make information public. They should not wait for specific requests from the public. All agencies should use modern technology to inform citizens about what is known and done by their Government. Disclosure should be timely.