US Airways Plane down in the Hudson river

Someone mentioned that there were BoA people aboard and one other bank. I can't remember the name of it though. THere is also a thread about it linked from a post a few above these.

Originally posted by star in a jar
reply to post by Telafree
[New Jet Mystery: Both Engines Missing

All I could think after hearing this was LOL

Did they say who was on board? I thought I caught something about important business people on board, I need to look around and try find who was on board.

This is getting more smelly by the minute.

yes apparently there was a group of Bank of America people on this flight. I found that out by reading the daily update on Reihardt's site. He discusses it in his own way. www.enterprisecorruption.com...

well the bank employee angle is interesting..I also heard they can't find one of the plane's engines..damdest thing..not too long before the crash, I got a random message from a stranger on facebook..he wanted to know if I'd ever lived in charlotte. very strange indeed considering this plane was headed there, and no one has ever messaged me with such a question before..

reply to post by dragonseeker
Hmm...engines missing, a double bird strike (which has never happened before taking out two engines at once)...please see

www.whatdoesitmean.com

They are claiming this was an attempted hit on B of A to crash the US financial system (what system???)

Originally posted by star in a jar
reply to post by Telafree
[New Jet Mystery: Both Engines Missing

All I could think after hearing this was LOL

Did they say who was on board? I thought I caught something about important business people on board, I need to look around and try find who was on board.

This is getting more smelly by the minute.

What's so smelly about it?

Since this is a conspiracy website, sometimes we must raise a suspicious eyebrow when something doesn't seem to be completely explainable.

After reviewing the facts, I have to offer a hypothesis here that will undoubtedly seem like I'm trying to take something away from the exemplary job the pilot did keeping all on board alive.

While the exacting precision and skill it took to ditch an aircraft of that size is nothing short of miraculous, the question still remains, did both engines take bird hits?

A few pilots discussing the event (Commercial and ex-Military) who I won't name for obvious reasons brought up the real possibility that the pilot actually may have cut power to the wrong engine after the initial strike.

I'm not saying for sure that's what happened, and the NTSB will have a better idea once they've done their investigation. I just thought I'd stick my neck out there and be the one point out this very real scenario.

For his sake, I absolutely hope that wasn't the case after pulling off such a heroic piece of flying.

Peace

reply to post by nscopheacriaaclters
[What's so smelly about it? ]

Well, the fact that both engines are missing (I see some posters say only 1) and that there were important(?) Bank of America members aboard.

I assume that the engines were sabotaged and that scuba divers employed by the assassins immediately went into the Hudson river and spirited away with the engines so the tampering couldn't be discovered

Or as Lernmore said, the pilot might have cut power to the wrong engine(!) and the plane went down. That would be embarrassing but the pilot is a vet so I don't know...

Time will tell.


[edit on 17-1-2009 by star in a jar]

Originally posted by star in a jar
reply to post by nscopheacriaaclters
[What's so smelly about it? ]

Well, the fact that both engines are missing (I see some posters say only 1) and that there were important(?) Bank of America members aboard.

The engines separated from the airframe as they were supposed to and will be found before too long, I should imagine. Nothing weird there.

I'm sure BoA members are on lots of flights. Nothing weird there.

Originally posted by star in a jar
That would be embarrassing but the pilot is a vet so I don't know...
[edit on 17-1-2009 by star in a jar]

In the discussion I mentioned above, the topic of his age came up, and was considered to potentially be a factor.. I'm in my mid 40's and he was probably flying around the time I was born.

Heck...John McCain was a vet, and I wouldn't feel safe letting him driving my car. Again, I only put it out there as a possibility, and like you say...time will tell.

I still hope it was only birds.


Peace

OK.. speaking about the Missing Engines.. This is starting to seem strange.

1. I thought they could shoot a frozen turkey through these engines without failure.
2. Great Landing.
3. Plane floating. (first time anyone got to use those seat cushions ..ever?)
4. Everyone safe!!
5. One missing Engine.
6. Two Missing Engines?
7. BofA employees....Hmmm.
Someone made mention that it is expected that the engines would separate from the air frame? Could they really be that hard to find?

Originally posted by FredT

Originally posted by Djarums
[That's actually a great question.

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Figure about 150-200000 lbs if it was fully loaded. They may have to lift it out in pieces or float it.

An Airbus 320 has a max takeoff weight of 166,400 pounds, now less about 26,350 pounds of passengers and the taxi and climb fuel burn of about 3,500 lbs. The real problem is the almost 1 million pounds of water in the aircraft. The Mythusters solved such a prolem with a sunken sailoat y filling it with ping-pong balls for buoyancy. For an A320, it wound take about 5,105,000 40mm regulation ping pong balls. Head hurts - have to go:.

The now missing Engine(s) is/are CERTAINLY Mysterious

IE:

Bank Of America: 'Large Grp' Of Workers On NYC Plane
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Interesting... Wells Fargo too...
money.cnn.com...

(Updates with information from Wells Fargo)

DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
Bank of America Corp. (BAC) confirmed that a "large group" of employees were on a plane that crashed into the Hudson River Thursday afternoon.

According to a spokeswoman with the Transportation Security Administration, US Airways flight 1549 took off from Laguardia Airport at 2:49 p.m. carrying about 148 passengers and five crew members. The plane was bound for Charlotte.

US Airways Group Inc.'s (LCC) chief executive has said everyone is off the plane and accounted for.

Wells Fargo & Co. (WFC) had three employees on the plane and "all three are safe," said spokeswoman Mary Eshet. Wells Fargo employs about 20,000 people in the Charlotte area following its recent acquisitions of Wachovia Corp.

money.cnn.com...

AND... Pretty QUICKLY, Like MIDNIGHT After All Survive

Treasury, Federal Reserve, and the FDIC Provide Assistance to Bank of America
www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.federalreserve.gov...

For immediate release - January 16, 2009

Treasury, Federal Reserve, and the FDIC Provide Assistance to Bank of America

The U.S. government entered into an agreement today with Bank of America to provide a package of guarantees, liquidity access, and capital as part of its commitment to support financial market stability.

Treasury and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation will provide protection against the possibility of unusually large losses...

...the Federal Reserve stands ready to backstop residual risk in the asset pool through a non-recourse loan.

www.federalreserve.gov...

Think About THAT !

update: NTSB says right engine attached to US Airways jet

NEW YORK (AP) — Federal investigators said Saturday that the right engine of US Airways Flight 1549 is still attached to the plane, contradicting their earlier statements that it broke off after the aircraft hit the water.

National Transportation Safety Board spokesman Peter Knudson said the water was so murky earlier that authorities couldn't see the engine. "We're now looking for one engine, not two," Knudson said Saturday.

from AP

Was doing a side job in Jersey City directly across the Hudosn from
the site where plane wound up. Was watching from time to time as
tried to lift plane. Had 2 huge crane barges . Couldn't see much of
plane as hidden by boats and equipment.

You could say everyone on that plane was a hero, in a way.

CNN has footage of the rescue on their site, and the fact that all the passengers are calmly standing on the escape slides awaiting rescue just amazes me.

If any one of those people would have panicked and lost their cool, it could have killed everyone. Kudos to them all for keeping their heads.

And of course, to the pilot and crew for handling the situation perfectly!

(I'm not even going to address the conspiracy theories - No purpose was served and no agenda furthered by this event, unless the airline was conspiring to make their pilots look awesome.)

I've been wondering that also. I haven't been able to find anything about animals being on board. I hope not.

reply to post by weedwhacker


IF I respond to another's post, especially as it is ON TOPIC....I do not believe that MY post should be deleted, and called 'off-topic'.

I would wish that what I wrote be reviewed, and IF the consensus is that I crossed some line, then I will abide by the decision.

However, BACK ON TOPIC!

This was an amazing decision....something that, in hindsight, was a great idea, even though there were few options available.......I think this Captain did the best, given his options that he had to deal with.

Look at what happened....a dual engine failure, NOT something we train for, very often. BECAUSE we are told that it WON'T happen!!! Well, it DID happen, and those pilots worked together to make the incredible happen....guess they didn't have time to read stupid 'check.lists'....AND I hope no one faults them for that....

Reason I bring this up is.....I have been in the seat many times, and we have to recite the QRH...or 'Quick Reference Handbook' as we sit there, in the Simulator, and follow the steps in the Emergency scenarios.....as we are briefed, we have the syllabus before-hand....it is an obvious game we play.....however, in the real-world, this USAIRWays crew stepped up, and exceeded their training.....

The two pilots, and the three Flight Attendants did what they were trained to do.....please remember, The Captain said, on the PA,'Brace, Brace For Impact'

Even if BOTH engines have failed....and, for ya'all to realize, the thing thats keep the electricity operating on a Jet COMES from the engines....
even WHEN BOTH engines fail, there is still a battery.....designed to last for AT LEAST 30 minutes.

I guess this isn't helping, even though it's true........

reply to post by weedwhacker


I find it slightly odd that, a well-written (I thought ) post was determined to be, by a Mod....'Off-Topic', even though it had received a 'star'?????

Well, who Am I todisputea Mods's viewpoint?????

Oh, man,I just made up a new word, yet again!!! it is 'todispitea' (noun), 'TU= DISPU=TEA'

no.....THIS IS So off-topic, even I must stop myself.

HOWEVER, I must wonder why a post thatI had written about the USAir crash was deleted, and deemed "off-topic" when, in fact, I have over 20,000 flight hours of aviation piloting experience to provide to this disucussion, seems my knowledge and expertise are not noticed....guess I just don't know how to express myself properly....well, learning......

Divers originally thought both engines were lost, but realized Saturday that one was still attached. The water had been so dark and murky that they couldn't see it.

link

As an ex commercial diver, I must say that these "divers" are not the greatest. It's very common for divers to work in no visability, where you have to feel what you are doing only. Police divers are trained to read license plates by touch only, while wearing gloves, and these clowns couldn't find an engine that was still there?



They weren't even looking for the engines. They must have been doing something else.

[edit on 18/1/09 by NuclearPaul]