Caylee Anthony Case: The shovel and the pavers

I don't recall hearing much if anything on the news about the Anthonys going through a divorce and Cindy saying George and his side of his family had issues like bipolar. Many people are said to be bipolar. Where was he working if he wasn't a homicide detective anymore? Who is the girl that Cayce said moved to Michigan also?

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How accurate is the ping triangulation in that area? I was thinking she might have spent the night at the school or as speculated even closer at the house the PI was digging around at.




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Originally posted by aleon1018
I don't recall hearing much if anything on the news about the Anthonys going through a divorce and Cindy saying George and his side of his family had issues like bipolar. Many people are said to be bipolar. Where was he working if he wasn't a homicide detective anymore? Who is the girl that Cayce said moved to Michigan also?

These comments about George's side of the family having problems were stated in emails between Shirley Plesea (CA's mother) and Shirley's sister.

I'm not recalling the reference to the girl moving to Michigan? Can you direct me to some place you read this? I'd like to check on it.

Originally posted by toochaos4u
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How accurate is the ping triangulation in that area? I was thinking she might have spent the night at the school or as speculated even closer at the house the PI was digging around at.

Not sure on the triangulation. That was one of the things I was going to start pulling together next...analysis of the pings. Yes, you are right, she could have stayed some where other than the Anthony home, but she definitely wasn't with TL, because she was talking all night to him on the cell phone.

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That was from one of Cayce's videos talking with her mom. I don't recall the girls name. I think it may have started with an M? not sure. Are there transcripts of her conversations from these? This may be some girl who didn't even exist for all we know. Just curious as to why she brought her name once. I don't know how many have testified about Cayce and her behaviors during those days. I hear mention of something like 150 pages? on NG. (oops)

Looking for transcripts, but here are the videos:

CA and GA morning visit with KC on 7/25/08:
Part 1
Part 2

CA and GA afternoon visit with KC on 7/25/08:
Part 1
Part 2

CA and GA visit with KC on 7/30/08:
Part 1
Part 2

Let me know if it isn't in any of those and I'll put some of GA's and LA's audios up.

Part 2 7.50

Last time she said she saw Caylee was on the 16th and CA mentions conversation with Terra "Mark's psycho ex-wife" according to Cayce saying that she hadn't spoken to her in 2 months. I guess it's nothing. But you have to wonder that if Cayce says not to talk with someone, than maybe it's just the opposite?

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You know that was the same thing I was thinking. You need to contact Nancy Grace and tell her what you think about the pavers.
I've never heard that mentioned in this case but its entirely possible that they were gotten from the Anthony's yard.
I live about 75 miles from Orlando and I've kept up with this case. I also watch Nancy Grace every night faithfully.
I certainly know how the Grandparents feel.
I lost my precious Grandson when he was 4 years old 20 yrs ago.
I hope they can find a little peace of mind soon but it may take years for the pain to subside.

I have updated the Timeline and Evidence thread to include pertinent phone calls made from the Anthony home as well as the ping maps of KC's cell phone created at Websleuths for the time period from 06/15-06/27/08.

Tom Luka, LA's attorney, has publically stated he fears Lee is about to be charged. He's basing this, at least partly, on the fact Lee has not been subpoenad to testify in KC's murder trial. (Lee's name does appear on the state's witness list.)

www.wesh.com...

His attorney, Tom Luka, said the fact that Lee Anthony has not received a subpoena to testify could signal that the state may be looking to file charges against him. If he was subpoenaed, anything he said at a hearing could not be used against him in subsequent criminal charges.

"There were a number of instances where he was acting on behalf of his sister, or on behalf of law enforcement, that now could be seen as something less than benign or could be seen as hindering the investigation instead of assisting it," Luka said.

I think there may be something to the theory Lee sanitized KC's laptop after he picked it up from TL's. I'm just speculating, mind you, but I still don't feel comfortable about the fact that:

1. It took him 2-1/2 hours to get back to the Anthony home with KC's stuff.
2. There has been no transcript released by LE that covers the question to either TL or his roommate "Was the laptop blue screened when Lee got there?"

I'm not familiar with how this is done, but I would have to wonder if this was already a work in process, possibly even initiated by Cayce or by someone else at this apartment. If you may recall, there was another person living there as well and he may have witnessed something or would have unless he left to stay out of it. Didn't he move out shortly afterwards?

Lee may have only been put off as to when he could get the laptop if it was in the process of wiping and overwriting these files? How long does that take? idk

What does the report say about the timeline story? I suppose whatever they say may actually be colaborative as well. Was Cayce using her myspace for her singles dating? idk Maybe she had someone who was setting up these dates for her. The laptop may have had a list of contacts she had that would be involved in some way to testify either way.

Cayce had said she had more than one cell phone. Maybe the other one was for business and wasn't even owned by her etc.

What does the 150 page list of witnesses say about her?

On another note on this, the thing with the Caylee Sunshine doll is really annoying. I wonder what the total is so far on man hours and money paid while Caylee was just a few blocks away. But even news stations like CNN or NG HLN is in some way exploiting this story for their own gain. Accussing some doll maker is a diversion from their own exploits for ratings etc.

I wonder who else is behind this doll business and close to the family etc.

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I went back to the one store about the tabloid supposedly claiming on Cayce having AIDS and is now gone or pulled. idk Someone called in on NG and mentioned the Cay-lee name conection and they basically wouldn't discuss it as having any possible connection in the case.

Not that it would matter with the little girl as much as other possible reasons because of it. Brother and father shouldn't make them any less caring though and probably wouldn't treat her that way or acknowledge it ever publically? Would the courts stop this from being known by the public?

Is it really a non-issue? maybe Now their supposedly selling Cayce Voodoo dolls.

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JB is reported to have filed a motion late yesterday requesting the prosecutors be removed from the case and replaced with some one in Tallahassee. He's basing this request on alleged acts of misconduct by the prosecutors that he claims are attempts to malign him in the media and create a situation where his client cannot be represented by her counsel of choice.

We'll see where that goes.

Also, I've been going over the discovery released to date and kind of doing a "gap analysis", if you will on what would would think SHOULD be there, but hasn't been released yet. Here's what I've got so far, please post any additions you can think of:

Discovery not mentioned or released to date:
GA's cell phone contents
LA's cell phone contents
LA's cell phone records
LA's home phone records
LA's computer(s)
ANY of AD's interview(s) with OCSO

Discovery mentioned but not released:
Results from comparison of LA's DNA to Caylee's DNA.
Evidence found with remains
Property confiscated during Searches at Anthony home on and after 12/11/08.

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Interesting thing that witness list......Annie Dowling is on there, so there has undoubtedly been an interview with her, but it's not been released...

I had seen the list at one time but the pdf file of the list has since been removed from the News13 site....nice that someone thought to copy it.


Something that has jumped out at me as I re-read some of these transcripts.....bearing in mind that Caylee was found in a laundry hamper bag....something from George's July 24 interview.

He is describing the relative positions of the pizzabox trashbag and the stain in the trunk when he first opens it at the tow yard....and he adds....(!)

"And I saw the uhm, Arm and Hammer lint, laundry detergent things. That's when I know like uh....( here he's interrupted by the detective, then he goes on..) "Because that's something we use at our house, so..." ( again the detective injects some small comment, then George seems to change his train of thought, with...) "....so that's what I said"

www.cfnews13.com...

Wonder if they've since asked him to elaborate on the thoughts he didn't seem to finish at that time??

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The names on the houses near the 'dump site'....Zenaida and Gonzelez sounds like a something from one of Poe's tales....Maybe a hint of KC's ego...( I'd not seen that before, is it true?)

Some of those who know her have said that she will mix in a bit of truth with her whoppers....ie she did 'leave' her child with a sitter of that name, but not a live sitter, and not a live child...

The question of what happened to the clothes that Caylee was last seen in....Might that have been answered by a further testing of the gray slacks and the clothes that Lee brought back from Tony's that night?? George and Cindy both, on their earlier interviews mentioned numerous times that the clothes smelled 'nasty and smoky'.

They attributed it to 'cigarette' smoke, but if those clothes had not all been laundered, I wonder if the FBI lab might have found traces of some gasoline smoke residue.....Casey seems to have used the 'my car ran out of gas' excuse a lot in that timeframe....?

And that Anthony Rusciano, sounds about as familiar with the truth as Casey does......his interview was peculiarly evasive, even after he promised to 'tell the truth' this time! Ha!

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I think Nancy Grace talks to her guests in an extremely rude and disrespectful manner. I guess she is under the impression that her attitude is intended to keep her ratings up. like those trashy loud radio hosts. iraaHowever, I can agree with her viewpoint but the dismissive and disrespectful manner she displays to others really antagonizes me.

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Many hosts do this in some way and many cut in to show their control with guest speakers.(I hate that usually) I don't personally know NG, so I can't say whether or not I would like her as a regular person. I prefer the Issues one host better and so far they seem to show the same thing anyway. I don't think it's fair to bash NG when we don't really know her privately. Showing her kids on the show is odd, but 'some' people like that. They may as well do an issues show on NG and her life as well.

She was a prosecutor and it seems as if part of her stage personality.Who usually likes prosecutors, judges or lawyers anyway?

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Absolutely spectacular Work you have done Valhall.
In your presentation of the facts of this tragic case.
Thank you!

It seems to me, and is only my limited conjecture, that in light of the facts that most of the limited
release of reports (discovery) of LA's phone records etc. etc. The interesting request by The sheriffs office to examine and compare DNA of Lee and Caylee (not released yet) the overall secrecy as to the true identity of the father (promiscuity not withstanding) The apparent pending charges that LA's counselor (LK) suspects.The fact that KC mentioned to several people about LA sexual advances toward her.(from a known liar, but should be considered) The contraction of the names of Casey and Lee would be:
Caylee.

That LA is the father. And CA knew about it all along.

His complicity to this heinous crime is still unclear, however it seems that the State seems to have some evidence of this.(observed by the lack of disclosure of multiple items of evidence) as listed in your gap analysis, Valhall. Again, Great work Ma'm.

It is hard to imagine how GA would react to this news, if it where to be discovered, and he had been kept in the dark about it for years. On top of all of the other losses he has endured. I think
It would be very difficult for any person to take. I think we witnessed his reaction.

It will Indeed be hard to find a Jury for this case. Again just my opinion, They should just put KC in the capacity of forward scout in Afghanistan, searching for IED's

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I see that miss KC did show up for the hearing (yesterday ?) .....but her family was a no-show..... I realize that George had a good reason, being that he was still hospitalized.....but neither Cindy nor Lee were there either.

IMHO, they may well have 'washed their hands' of her since the death of Caylee was confirmed.....they are 'rumored' to be no longer so very convinced of her innocence.....( or finally to the point that they feel too foolish to continue the public pretense of believing her!)

I just watched all the video's "Is George mentally Cognisant"? He seems a bit impaired,perhaps a brain injury?

and towards the end of part 2 of 1
why wouldnt the menu (Puerto Rico trip) have included food favs for Caylee?
and it is during this last segmant that Caycee tries to bring attention back onto herself, concerning her diet and comparing her size to that of Caylee??
I think maybe many have been to harsh on Cindy I see a very pointed determined look about her, a very tired woman , with some very good questions (she appears to not want to alienate her daughter, in order to get answers), personally I wouldnt let George talk either.
She knows but at this point the baby's body hadnt been found yet,
and I believe she still had a shadow of a doubt and perhaps still does, it is denial of course, perhaps a thread to hold onto before you go crashing into the abyss.

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I went to the sight. There were 3 cider blocks together. Three crosses have been made with sticks and duct tape. Flowers are laying on this small shrine.

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Hi guys,

I'm still reading through the massive document release that occurred yesterday, and there is so much to discuss concerning it, but I just wanted to share one thing from this report:

www.wftv.com...

In describing the crime scene (where Caylee's remains were found) the following statement is made:

A stone observed from the baseline section of 18 to 21 feet was collected by this Investigator due to being advised by Sprv. Murdock that the stone appeared to be consistent to stones present at the Anthony home.

Looks like she used the shovel to dig up a paver...probably either to mark the location or weight the bag down.