Guantánamo prison 'could close quickly' if Britain takes inmates

reply to post by nyk537


Fair point... i am happy for the UK and others (prob just uk though) to take them if it means that this absolute abomination of a "camp" "prison" or whatever you'd like to call it, will be closed.

It's an absolute disgrace that it was ever allowed in the first place.

Originally posted by nyk537

Originally posted by mr-lizard
Understand what the thread is about.

The point you seem to be missing is this. The only reason Bush is asking people to take some of these prisoners is because every other country in the world is demanding that we close the prison. They demand we close it, but don't to take any of the inmates.

Therefore....they should stay the hell out of it.

No i shouldn't.... Unlike the rest of the world, i do NOT bow down to what America thinks, wants or demands....

Bush should not NEED the rest of the world to be demanding the closure of the prison, Bush should not need to shrug his problems off to the rest of the world.

The UK doesn't need Americas problems.

reply to post by nyk537


Yeah, we are demanding it's closure because of it's inhumane conditions and the fact that none of it's inhabitants has been given access to a fair trial, or fair laws for that matter.

And don't even get me started on the fact that since the U.S. created this horrible situation in the first place it isn't your choice, it is your RESPONSIBILITY to clean it up, not to fob it off on other countries just because our corrupt former politicians were having a little man-love with Bushy-boy.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
i do NOT bow down to what America thinks, wants or demands....

And yet you want America to do just that for you, or whomever else.

The UK doesn't need Americas problems.

And yet here you are...



What a waste of time this is....

Originally posted by nyk537

Originally posted by mr-lizard
i do NOT bow down to what America thinks, wants or demands....

And yet you want America to do just that for you, or whomever else.

The UK doesn't need Americas problems.

And yet here you are...



What a waste of time this is....

No I want America to admit to its own mistakes and problems and STOP passing on the buck.

You dared to insult my intelligence, yet it seems basic logic is beyond your grounds of understanding.

FlyersFan

Because they are murdering terrorists who will just go back out on the battlefield and point their weapons at innocent people. And they will go back and blow up civlians again.

Just because the corrupt US government says they are it doesn't mean its true.Many prisoners have already been released after their innocence was established.Yet before that the belief was that they were guilty without a shadow of a doubt.

Excuse me but you're the ones running around the world telling us what to do - close GITMO - so YES we are saying BUTT OUT otherwise we will ship all the terrorists to you and YOU can deal with them.

America has protested over many things in the past and have not dealt with the aftermath.So don't go pointing fingers,you'll just end up looking...well,like you are.


nyk537/FlyersFan/jam321

Kryties has already pointed out the fact that we have been asked to take some prisoners,so why should we butt out? The request from America has to be answered does it not?


Edited to add:And lets not forget that plenty of Americans have protested too,it isn't just people from other countries.



[edit on 8-1-2009 by DantesLost]

Originally posted by mr-lizard

Again you are missing the point.

Bush is only trying to pass these people off because everyone is demanding he close the prison. I don't agree with him at all in doing so.

In my opinion, they should stay right where they are…in GITMO.

Originally posted by DantesLost
The request fro America has to be answered does it not?

Sadly it does….one of my points though is that Bush should not have asked that in the first place. If other countries would stay out of our business (they way they ask us to stay out of theirs) then we wouldn't be in this position. The prisoners would be left alone like they have been for years.

Originally posted by nyk537
In my opinion, they should stay right where they are…in GITMO.

And that says it all for me... absolute ignorance.

You would rather lock people up without trial, reason or a right to be heard??

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Originally posted by Kryties
Yeah, we are demanding it's closure because of it's inhumane conditions

Riiiiiiiiight. Inhumane.

They eat three religiously correct meals a day. They have better medical care then they have ever had in their lives. They are provided all their religious needs including their holy books which they themselves flush down toilets.

Here - you can get yourself a copy of the recipies that are used for the terrorists in GITMO ... yes, feeding them Baked Tandouri Chicken Breast, Mustard-Dill Baked Fish, Lyonnaise Rice, and Fish Amandine is sooooooo inhumane!

Newsflash - The Red Cross visited GITMO and said it definately is NOT inhumane.

Inhumane is what the terrorists were doing to innocent people before they got locked up in GITMO.

Originally posted by Kryties
it is your RESPONSIBILITY to clean it up,

If you people would MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS and leave the terrorists in GITMO then there wouldn't be anything to 'clean up'.

So shut up and leave the terrorists in GITMO otherwise stop being hypocrites and take them to your own back yard.

Originally posted by DantesLost
we have been asked to take some prisoners,so why should we butt out? The request from America has to be answered does it not?

Because the only reason you are being asked to take them is because you whined about GITMO being there in the first place. If you hadn't whined, then you wouldn't be asked.

It's not that hard to comprehend.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Because your country is full of people whining that GITMO should close. So they should put their money where their mouth is and take the terrorists.

That makes absolutely no sense. So if a country is opposed to a prison that houses people who aren't even convicted of a crime, they should open up one of their own?

Because they are murdering terrorists who will just go back out on the battlefield and point their weapons at innocent people. And they will go back and blow up civlians again.

They're terrorists even though none have been tried for terrorism or even charged? What about the numerous "terrorists" who were found to not even be guilty of terrorism?

Either take the damn terrorists or quit whining that they are locked up.
Anything else is ignorant.

Or how about we do something called put them to a "trial" to see if they're terrorists or not, and then we could actually have a reason to hold them?

reply to post by FlyersFan


Even the FBI noted some of the torture methods being used there.

www.guardian.co.uk...

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Newsflash - The Red Cross visited GITMO and said it definately is NOT inhumane.

Wouldn't you consider locking someone up for the rest of their lives for absolutely no criminal charges against them as inhumane?

Inhumane is what the terrorists were doing to innocent people before they got locked up in GITMO.

What were they doing? I'm interested in your evidence that not even the US goverment has provided yet.

Internment has been outlawed in civilised counties for many many years

so why does the USA still practise it?

why does the USA feel the need to build concentration camps?

why is the USA building mobile life reduction units ? (thread also in breaking news)

Originally posted by Kryties
So you go around meddling in the affairs of other countries, wanted or not, and then expect us to leave you alone when we want something?

I don't go around doing anything. And I never said I condoned a lot of what Bush has done.

But great job assuming!

Get stuffed.

How incredibly eloquent. Thanks for you contributions.

reply to post by Harlequin


Because they are above the law.... were you not aware?

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Kryties
Yeah, we are demanding it's closure because of it's inhumane conditions

Riiiiiiiiight. Inhumane.

They eat three religiously correct meals a day. They have better medical care then they have ever had in their lives. They are provided all their religious needs including their holy books which they themselves flush down toilets.

They're also kept locked in cages... No privacy, mundane routines, systematic 'interrogation', and in some cases torture....

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Riiiiiiiiight. Inhumane.

You are one of the most ignorant people I have ever come across, I'm sad to say.

From www.news.com.au...

AN FBI agent watched Australian detainee Mamdouh Habib repeatedly vomit during a marathon interrogation session at Guantanamo Bay in 2004, according to a long-awaited US Justice Department report released today.

From www.smh.com.au...

Marine Lt Col Colby Vokey, who represents a detainee at the US naval base in eastern Cuba, filed a complaint with the Pentagon last week alleging that abuse was ongoing at the prison.

He attached a sworn statement from his paralegal, Sgt Heather Cerveny, in which she said several Guantanamo guards bragged in a bar about beating detainees, describing it as common practice.

From news.bbc.co.uk...

In an interview with the BBC, Sgt Saar says that bizarre, sexual abuses at the prison camp set dangerous precedents that paved the way for mistreatment of US detainees in Iraq.

So, are you describing some version of the word 'humane' that I was previously unaware of? Or are you deliberately ignoring the abuses?

Newsflash - The Red Cross visited GITMO and said it definately is NOT inhumane.

You got a reliable source on that or are you just pulling that out of your rear end?

If you people would MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS and leave the terrorists in GITMO then there wouldn't be anything to 'clean up'.

If you want us to stay out of your business, how about you get the *snip* out of the rest of the world's business eh? Deal?




[edit on 8/1/2009 by Kryties]

Originally posted by mr-lizard
No privacy, mundane routines

God forbid the terrorists not have their privacy and exciting routines!