9/11: The Feds did it.

Originally posted by Colonel
I guess I should listen to YOU right, Mr. NewsMax?

No, Dinkus, read the actual act....Of course, if you do, you won't be able to lie about it any more....


www.epic.org...

Originally posted by ZeddicusZulZorander

Originally posted by SpittinCobra
I dont know why I feel so strongly about this, but I know In my heart, If bush was not in office, 9-11 would not have happen.

I am simply amazed sometimes....

Something terrible happens and the belief is that it is all due to Bush. And all the allegations are speculations. All involved are guilty until proven innocent. If Bush did have something to do with it, and there is proof then fine...but to state that he is guilty because "I just know" is completely the opposite of what this country and the Constitution stands for.

Poeple seem to say that THEY have rights against the government. The government can't just brand them guilty, can't come take people away, can't come take their guns, and can't presume guilt. Yet when the shoe is on the other foot...what do these same innocent people say? The government or Bush must be guilty due to allegations. The burden is for the accused to prove their innocence.

The fact that one of these outspoken people here is supposed to be a lawyer, or work with the law is very scary. He obviously doesn't believe in due process and he doesn't believe in innocent until proven guilty. I should say he doesn't believe in those rights unless it applies to him or his cause...then he is a believer. How corrupt is that? That seems repugnant to me.

Again, that is a contrary to the basic ideals of the USA country. Has that been forgotten? Has the lure of this new millenuim witch-hunt been so strong that people will overlook the basic rights that all Americans have, including members of the government?

What about the terrorists that actually committed and supported 9/11?
It seems the USA is persecuting those poor fellows. Nevermind proof. We all know Bush is responsible.
We all know they planned it. We all know they supported it. Nevermind the proof. Nevermind the rights of innocent till proven guilty. Now if they came after me Joe Citizen...well, then I have the right to be proven guilty, but the government is just guilty. I know it.

This reminds me of a woman who is raped and beaten in the streets. It must have been her fault. She must have worn skimpy clothes. She must have deserved it. She knew it was going to happen, she was told by police the street was dangerous. She caused it, not the men who raped her. Wait, maybe it's the police department's fault. They must have had prior knowledge. In fact, the police were under-funded so it must have been a government plot to rape the woman. They probably trained the rapists. In fact, Bush knew about the whole thing.

How absurd.

Zed

I don't get what you're not getting?

Laying the ground rule that it's all speculation until proven is fair, but in doing so, it also is looking past what has already been provided from reasonable & non-partisan sources throughout numerous ATS threads - from both people who voted for & against Bush.
Even if they did not currently own the Executive Branch, do you honestly believe there is any legal parity between you and Bush or Cheney or any Cabinet member? Do you think that you could simply say "NO" when any investigative authority wanted information on actions taken in your job? And I'm guessing you didn't swear an oath of service like they did?
Your branding of the 9/11 "investigation" as a "witchhunt" can only be viewed as partisan hysterics. Seeing as Pearl Harbor, during a real war, sustained investigations starting the night of Dec.7 and generated reams of reports & analysis on the massive US Intel failure during war time, I can't begin to see the official investigation of the 9/11 failure being anywhere near as genuine. Especially after the Administration officially fought the formation of said committee, with a zeal that defied logic.
You're right in sighting that a "rape" took place - dereliction of duty & active misleading of Congress & the American people can surely be considered a "rape"....one perpatrated on us all.

A few posts back you claimed that it was the Clinton policies in effect that caught the Millennium bombers, eh? Were you watching HIS Attorney General Janet Reno testifying today about that? One of the Dems on the panel was throwing her a lob, saying, and I'm paraphrasing here, "So the policies put in place by the major players (Clinton, his advisors and certain cabinet members) led to the discovery and arrest of the Millennium bombers?" All she had to do was say "yes", but she DIDN'T! She said, " No, it was an alert boarder guard doing her job that caught the bomber...WE got LUCKY, and sometimes you have to take the lucky breaks when you get them"!!!

So much for Clinton being behind that good deed, eh???



Waiting for the inevitable spin on the cut and dried statement by the CLINTON official....

Originally posted by Affirmative Reaction
A few posts back you claimed that it was the Clinton policies in effect that caught the Millennium bombers, eh? Were you watching HIS Attorney General Janet Reno testifying today about that?

No, I work for a living. Apparently some of the repugs like to throw out the racist welfare bs while collecting it themselves at home so they can watch C-Span.

No, I work for a living. Apparently some of the repugs like to throw out the racist welfare bs while collecting it themselves at home so they can watch C-Span.

That must be some kind of welfare if they can get cable too.

Originally posted by Colonel
No, I work for a living. Apparently some of the repugs like to throw out the racist welfare bs while collecting it themselves at home so they can watch C-Span.

This has to be one of the most IGNORANT statements who have made, Colonel. What if he works swing shift? What if he took the week off? What if he is at home sick? Talk about repugnants, you fit the bill.

This is how you respond to facts, When you can't throw your usual comeback, you turn to childish antics.

Oh, and by the way, welfare is a policy the dems stand for anyway.

You see us repugants, we believe you keeping what you earn, not giving back to the government in the form of higher taxes and social programs.

Originally posted by Bout Time

Zed

I don't get what you're not getting?
What I am not getting?

Laying the ground rule that it's all speculation until proven is fair, but in doing so, it also is looking past what has already been provided from reasonable & non-partisan sources throughout numerous ATS threads - from both people who voted for & against Bush.
Yes, it is fair...it IS speculation and unless you have some smoking gun of proof that nobody else has. I have never seen the ATS thread of proof that you think is out there, so speculation is all you have. I don't know about you, but I would hate a charge placed against me with speculation and then have others already convict me before an actual court case. In fact, many here will argue against that very thing when it is against them, but since it is against Bush...it's ok. That is hypocritical. Period.

Your branding of the 9/11 "investigation" as a "witchhunt" can only be viewed as partisan hysterics.
And the whole witch-hunt comment was actually because people were accused, convicted, and burned at the stake...all by mobs of people who simply decided the "witches" must be guilty. No trial, no due process. That is hysterics.

You're right in sighting that a "rape" took place - dereliction of duty & active misleading of Congress & the American people can surely be considered a "rape"....one perpatrated on us all.
There you go. Judge, jury, and conviction. All done by you. Why have laws? Why have rights? Just like the church branding heritics...

Originally posted by Colonel
No, I work for a living. Apparently some of the repugs like to throw out the racist welfare bs while collecting it themselves at home so they can watch C-Span.

Name-calling?
Race card?
Complete load of bull?

Originally posted by ZeddicusZulZorander
Name-calling?

Race card?

Complete load of bull?

Ya see? This is what I am talking about. Name calling? The repugnants invented that with "the welfare queen" and the like. Race card? Can anyone say "quotas" to divide races? Hell, THEY INVENTED THE RACE CARD! The repugnants are the most devisive group on theplanet. Yet, use the same tactics against them and they bitch and moan like rotten children. "Oh, look. The Colonel is a such a meanie!"

Originally posted by Colonel
Ya see? This is what I am talking about. Name calling? The repugnants invented that with "the welfare queen" and the like. Race card? Can anyone say "quotas" to divide races? Hell, THEY INVENTED THE RACE CARD! The repugnants are the most devisive group on theplanet. Yet, use the same tactics against them and they bitch and moan like rotten children. "Oh, look. The Colonel is a such a meanie!"

And you invented the word "repugnant" (or so you claimed using the standard tactic of lying)

Don't hate the players monkey-boy, hate the game.

Now keep dancing for us...

Hmmm...should we get into all the pardons that Clinton gave out before he left??? You know, Marc Rich, accused of trading with Iran during the hostage crisis and dodging $48 million in taxes. Pardoned after contributing more than a million to Clinton.

Oh, sorry...forgot you don't like to talk about the payoffs.

Does it really matter the democrat or republican thing? Their all a bunch of creeps IMO, yes I will vote Democrat but the fact is that 9/11 happened due to our government (which is made up of both parties) letting us all down in a number of ways. The truth is the dem and rep thing is just a way to divide us and keep us from focusing on the truth. Those of you who are Republicans, if this had happened during Clintons watch you would be saying the same things about him that the Democrats are saying about Bush. The fact is there are tons of unanswered questions. Here is a website that has a minute by minute account of the days leading up to and during and after 9/11.
www.fromthewilderness.com...
The bottom line is that over 3000 people died. We should demand to know why no matter who is in office, and also Gore's and Clinton's testimony along with Bush's and Cheney's testimony will be private, thats BS, everyones testimony should be made public.

[Edited on 14-4-2004 by goose]

Guns dont kill people...the FEDS do.
The feds fingerprints are all over 911.
Anyone who doesnt think so can check out the two links in my signature.
If that isnt enough i can give you a list of about 100 more.
If that isnt enough i can mail you some videos.
Hey, i didnt want to beleive this either. I spent the better part of a week trying to convince myself it wasnt true, but i couldnt. After one has gathered enough information a conspiracy theory becomes a conspiracy.
(PS, dont try to give me the usual political spin, im immune to it, im non-political)

That SaveAmerica site is a joke. Psuedo science bunk. About as reliable as most bigfoot and UFO sites.


The other site, lots of articles strung together to give an appearance of cohesion. The articles for the most part, really point to intel screw-ups and red-tape problems within the govt. That part I agree with.


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Ive recently been convincedthat the feds did do 9-11.
Here is new evidence.

Elvis Presley was seen leaving the world trade center moments before the attack. He was tipped by his secret service detail.

Unmarked UFO's were seen hovering near the Pentagon using some kind of beam weapon on the building.

For US security, David Copperfield again made the Statue of Liberty dissapear so that it couldnt be hit by a plane.

Al Queda trained giant albino allagators to surface from the NYC sewers in second wave were intercepted By alert city sewer employees.

Ill let you know when my unidentified source in intelligence releases another Bombshell.

Originally posted by goose

The bottom line is that over 3000 people died. We should demand to know why no matter who is in office,

[Edited on 14-4-2004 by goose]

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The short answer is because 19 wackos hijacked and crashed 4 airplanes, at the behest of a sick twist named bin Laden.

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Originally posted by nyarlathotep

Originally posted by Colonel
No, I work for a living. Apparently some of the repugs like to throw out the racist welfare bs while collecting it themselves at home so they can watch C-Span.

This has to be one of the most IGNORANT statements who have made, Colonel. What if he works swing shift? What if he took the week off? What if he is at home sick? Talk about repugnants, you fit the bill.

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I sincerely hope that none of the above are true, that the colonel is just resorting to personal attacks.

Then he should be WARNED, PENALIZED, and subject to SUSPENSION OF POSTING PRIVILEGES . After all, this is what happens to the ordinary poster, isn't it, Mods? Why should we be held to a higher standard than the colonel, or any of you?

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Originally posted by aware
If that isnt enough i can give you a list of about 100 more.

Please do, I hope that they are as entertaining and full of truth distortion as the other two.

If that isnt enough i can mail you some videos.

Why not post them here?

Hey, i didnt want to beleive this either. I spent the better part of a week trying to convince myself it wasnt true, but i couldnt. After one has gathered enough information a conspiracy theory becomes a conspiracy.

Even if the information is false?

Originally posted by CazMedia
Ive recently been convincedthat the feds did do 9-11.
Here is new evidence.

Elvis Presley was seen leaving the world trade center moments before the attack. He was tipped by his secret service detail.

Unmarked UFO's were seen hovering near the Pentagon using some kind of beam weapon on the building.

For US security, David Copperfield again made the Statue of Liberty dissapear so that it couldnt be hit by a plane.

Al Queda trained giant albino allagators to surface from the NYC sewers in second wave were intercepted By alert city sewer employees.

Ill let you know when my unidentified source in intelligence releases another Bombshell.

All of this proof is crap, I feel the goverment was behind it. These examples of proof you have given are just STUPID.

Above: �Jumpers� from the World Trade Center Twin Towers on September 11, 2001.
Each one of them jumped to her and his death in testimony that the steel-column walls
were not even close to the 1200 degrees Fahrenheit hot that it would have taken to weaken
the towers� structural steel (no living human could pass through such heat without being
boiled instantly and thus stopped from passing). Allegedly, these innocent human beings
were cruelly driven into their desperate suicide by evil Bushfraud.



Factoid:



The FEMA clean-up team of the U.S. government that stepped in on 9-11 arrived in New York on the evening of 9-10.



FBI agent Coleen Rowley had the �20th hijacker� Zac(c)arias Moussaoui in her crosshairs. She had clear evidence for a suspicion, and French government sources were willing to give her more. Her boss at the FBI, Marion �Spike� Bowman, ordered agent Rowley to stop investigation in summer 2001. In December 2001, the information that agent Rowley had worked on was used to indict Moussaoui for complicity in 9-11. President George W. Bush later awarded an honorary certificate and a cash bonus of 20-35% of an annual salary to Bowman for outstanding antiterrorism performance.



Today, over a hundred kidnapped people are being held hostage illegally at Guantanamo Bay on Cuba by the U.S. government � but FBI Deputy General Counsel Bowman was so worried in summer 2001 about weak evidence that he forbade agent Rowley even to approach a court with her relevant evidence?



On 9-10-1, Osama bin Laden phoned from Afghanistan with one of his stepmothers. The NSA recorded this, and it was known to top government officials on 9-13-1. But they had no clue of the terror attacks that had been coming for several years?



The CIA surveilled Mohammed Atta in Germany for several months without informing the German government. Then in spring 2000 they gave Atta a visa to visit a CIA-front piloting school in Venice, Florida.



Colin Powell, the U.S. Secretary of State, promised to present in public the evidence that Osama bin Laden was behind 9-11. No such evidence has ever become public, the U.S. government backpedalled on their promise, and another lie in line with the Iraqi �weapons of mass deception� has flown open.



The government deceived the public several times with evidently forged videos of Osama bin Laden. The many convenient electronic traces that bin Laden allegedly �left behind� all over the planet are contradictory and also suggest forgery.

www.themedianews.com...


[Edited on 19-4-2004 by TrueLies]

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